Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better

[tankcity!]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

[celtics2030]

Utah may realize they f'd up on Exum and really want Fultz and trade us Hayward too.  We have to be in that position and we don't even know what pick we have yet. Hayward is due to be a free agent etc.  Utah just signed George Hill. 

I think the pick is more valuable to some players.  Even Hayward.  So is Marcus though. We have both.  What's the rush?

We are the ones witht he chips here. We could trade Marcus for Deandre and draft Fultz but who knows right now.

Marcus does not suck.  I know that much.  We have a lot of guards in a guard heavy draft. 

still like josh jackson.  He will bring the thunder.

Marcus might not suck, but his potential is horrible over what he already is , don't you think?

[alewilliam789]

If we get the opportunity to draft Dennis Smith Jr., Markelle Fultz, DeAaron Fox, or Lonzo Ball you jump at it and move Smart to the 2. These players are so much better pure point guards than Smart and there's no question about it.
The Smart homers are out and active coming out and saying Smart is even in the same league as Fultz as a player right now!!!! Fultz is one of the most complete point guard prospects that we've seen since Damian Lilliard and Kyrie Irving. This guy has a chance to be a top 5 PG in the league with players like Chris Paul, Steph Curry, and Russell Westbrook at the top. This guy is a transcendent talent that is so well rounded and skilled at his age that it would be a historical mistake to pass up on the opportunity to draft him just because we have Smart.

Even if we don't get Fultz I'm excited to grab Tatum who would be such a great fit in Boston. We need to upgrade the SF position because Jae hasn't made the leaps needed to help us become a better team

[walker834]

There's no doubt Fultz is a good player.  I'd more see him in that role where IT becomes more a scorer.  It's not so much about being wrong about smart though.  Some of us fans have seen the doubters and seen players prove people wrong.  Most of these guys im right on too like tony allen and ab and guys like that.  Sully i was never that high on.  Rondo was a guy i did think could turn it around but was ok when we traded him.

I dont think that it's that we are wrong about smart either.  He's a very good player with upside to be more than that. Smart is legit and a valuable player here.   

If we can do better sure but it really depends on what that looks like and these things need to be out there.

Better than hyping up guys like rj hunter and gabe pruitt which i never did overly. Or Dante Exum for that matter. I've been wrong on guys too but who hasn't.

I don't think I'm wrong on smart though. He's  a valuable player here.

[walker834]

Next to IT, AB, Horford, Smart is probably our 4th best player and he still has upside which is pretty good for a 3rd year player.  jaylen probably has more value long term but Smart is more valuable to Crowder or Amir to me on this team.

It's his 3rd  year.

Fultz could be special, but Marcus isn't exactly garbage here even in comparison.

Dennis Smith is another one.

Here's marcus starting against Westbrook.  We lost the game but it was a lot closer than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AbQFUDy0fQ&t=23s

We were also playing sans IT.  Westbrook is in his prime.

I think this was the game where Marcus clanked a 3 at the end of regulation and we lost by 3.

[Ilikesports17]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

havent watched much Magic, so I cant really speak on it, but his stats do not suggest much improvement.

Also His minutes have gone down despite Oladipo being traded.

[celtics2030]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

havent watched much Magic, so I cant really speak on it, but his stats do not suggest much improvement.

Also His minutes have gone down despite Oladipo being traded.

Hes shooting 45.5% this year, he plays behind DJ Augusting who obviously is not a better player but better shooter right now.

Elfird looks really good lately. He just needs to up his confidence, hopefully thats all Smart needs to do ,

but the main problem is Smart can't do certain things well , like get to the basket, finish strong and get and 1's, hes also not a better poing guard. Payton is a great penetrator and dish guy , you don't have to see much highlights to see that.

[celtics2030]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

Better defender. That's about it. Elfird not too shabby either. Upside with Elfrid is higher

[walker834]

I think that's just crazy.  Marcus is a smart basketball player.  Elfriid never struck me as that.

I don't think Elfriid scares anyone in the nba.  Marcus just can't shoot. basketball is more than just numbers.

[celtics2030]

I think that's just crazy.  Marcus is a smart basketball player.  Elfriid never struck me as that.

lol. Come on Walker.

Anyway. Austin Rivers is a dumb basketball player. Elfrid is a pure point guard, with amazing passing skills. Striking resemblance to Rondo.

I remember making an Elfrid vs Smart comparison thread a while ago.


Smart's problem is not his effort, not his work ethic, and not his heart. It's his lack of tools.

Nobody is arguing Smart's play of the game, but he just does not have the other tools to become a good offensive player.

Elfrid Payton does , because he can drive to the hoops above average. He has vision as good as anybody. He just does not have the shooting capability as of now. He is just like Rondo in that sense. But Rondo was able to have a good FG % without becoming a detriment to the team.

I was a guy that wants Smart to start ,but did not realize this team would become a very good team. I have nothing against Smart, but I will not be bias towards a player on my home team with a guy that I knew had great skills.

[walker834]

Elfriid payton is a poor man's rondo who we got rid of to draft smart.

[mctyson]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

havent watched much Magic, so I cant really speak on it, but his stats do not suggest much improvement.

Also His minutes have gone down despite Oladipo being traded.

And there is also the fact that, you know, Orland sucks.

[celtics2030]

Elfriid payton is a poor man's rondo who we got rid of to draft smart.

Rondo was legit.  Elfriid Payton is not legit.

Lol hes not legit? Hes a 10th pick and hes doing pretty well in his 3rd year.

I guess Smart is legit. Im not even going to continue because I KNOW who is a better player. Numbers and skills wise.

One guy is shooting 45.5% from the field, the other guy  is shooting 36.8 % from the field.

One guy has a PER that is 9.97 , I dont think you want me to tell you the comparable PER to him

the other is 15.78.

Smart is a hard nosed tough defensive player. Without this he would be out of the league.

[celtics2030]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

Imo, Smart is better

havent watched much Magic, so I cant really speak on it, but his stats do not suggest much improvement.

Also His minutes have gone down despite Oladipo being traded.

And there is also the fact that, you know, Orland sucks.

Orlando is 13-17 , they are not great, but they do have good pieces.

If Orlando had an IT they would be good. And we all know how Boston looks without IT.

[walker834]

Rondo was a very good passer and elite that way. He fit well with pierce, kg and RAy and perk.  Smart is an elite defender.  Elfriid could fit as an in between on a team but he is not as good as rondo who we got rid of because he was too ball dominant.

smart is an elite defender and a smart basketball player. he just can't shoot.

Rondo weas legit because of his passing.  He was able to win a championship that way.  Without the big 3 and every else he's gone he's been not too great.

He was legit in that he did that at a high level. 

Smart is an elite defender and heady player.  He just can't shoot. he could win a championship if surrounded by guys just the same.

All of them would be fairly mediocre on bad teams but Elfriid really hasn't been anything but that so far in his career.  He's never contributed to a good basketball team ever.

Marcus Smart has. 

Elfriid has to be down with some of the other guys because of that.