Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better

[walker834]

I'll also take Josh Jackson this draft over any of those guys and have him replace Gerald Green who really isn't very good. Plus jackson is a better prospect than any of those guys. Although that's debateable.

Smart can stay.

[CelticGuardian]

They are similar to Smart.  More offensive sure but Marcus can score. He's just not in that role right now.

I dont think they are better than Smart.  I'll take Smart.

Uhh.. Well I respect that man. You like yourself some Marcus Smart, nothing wrong with that. I just think we both are banking on potential here, and we've seen plenty of Smart. What I'm seeing from this new crop is exactly what I think the C's need.

[Boris Badenov]

The way Fultz is playing right now, if the draft were held today he would be put on a level with the "possible franchise" picks of the last decade: Simmons, KAT, Russell, Wiggins/Parker/Embiid, A. Davis, Kyrie, Wall etc.

His numbers are insanely good and he passes the eye test too. He does special things on the court.

If the draft order were set in stone and someone else had the #1 pick there is no way they would trade it (Fultz) today for Smart.

Of course we don't know that Fultz will *definitely* be better than Smart, but the consensus is surely that he is *likely to be much better* than Smart. He is a more valuable player right now.

And, the same would have been true if they were in the draft at the same time.

And further, I don't understand why "better right now" is a meaningful thing to discuss at all. So what if Fultz isn't demonstrably better right now? If we are pursuing a superstar in trade, and we offer Smart and another team offers Fultz, the team with Fultz wins every time. We'd clearly rather have him on our roster than Smart, because you can move assets if you want to. We'd also rather have him on the roster than not on it even with Smart here, for the same reason.

[walker834]

It's not just smart. I like IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, Horford, Brown.  Even KO and Crowder fit what we are doing right now as role guys where we can upgrade those spots. 

There's some debate on MArcus and our pg situation if we can move someone but I like that Ainge is sticking to his guns.

I think as far as our core group IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, Horford, Brown all fit pretty well. WE have Yab and Zizic stashed  where there is some leeway on guys like KO and Amir.  Young is young...

Unless we can get a really good SF or Big man there's no reason to break up that core group.  And even then we might not have to.

It's why i like jackson this draft too so far.  Maybe Giles but he has more questions.  jackson could come in and replace a guy like green and give us more talent at SF to go with Brown and Crowder and more of a slasher and scorer and good basketball iq.  I'd do it by committee if we can  land a big man some other way.  There aren't that many guys out there that are top of the top.  If we can get one of those guys sure but I wouldn't mess with our nucleus so much.

Guys like Ball, Fults, Smith are nice players but they aren't transcendant players that are going to come in and change our team.  Jackson is as much that if not  moreso.

That can obviously change. I wouldn't rule out Fultz, ball or Smith. They are good players.

[GratefulCs]

They are similar to Smart.  More offensive sure but Marcus can score. He's just not in that role right now.

I dont think they are better than Smart.  I'll take Smart.

Uhh.. Well I respect that man. You like yourself some Marcus Smart, nothing wrong with that. I just think we both are banking on potential here, and we've seen plenty of Smart. What I'm seeing from this new crop is exactly what I think the C's need.

i love the way you put that

TP

Civil as all heck

[CelticGuardian]

The way Fultz is playing right now, if the draft were held today he would be put on a level with the "possible franchise" picks of the last decade: Simmons, KAT, Russell, Wiggins/Parker/Embiid, A. Davis, Kyrie, Wall etc.

His numbers are insanely good and he passes the eye test too. He does special things on the court.

If the draft order were set in stone and someone else had the #1 pick there is no way they would trade it (Fultz) today for Smart.

Of course we don't know that Fultz will *definitely* be better than Smart, but the consensus is surely that he is *likely to be much better* than Smart. He is a more valuable player right now.

And, the same would have been true if they were in the draft at the same time.

And further, I don't understand why "better right now" is a meaningful thing to discuss at all. So what if Fultz isn't demonstrably better right now? If we are pursuing a superstar in trade, and we offer Smart and another team offers Fultz, the team with Fultz wins every time. We'd clearly rather have him on our roster than Smart, because you can move assets if you want to. We'd also rather have him on the roster than not on it even with Smart here, for the same reason.

Not to mention Smart doesn't have to be traded, we could deal someone else like Rozier.

If we could have a 2nd unit backcourt of Smart and Fultz/Ball, with Jaylen finally getting the full spot minutes behind Crowder. I would be the happiest C's fan.

[walker834]

I agree that if anyoone in this draft as it appears right now is transcendant it's Fultz.  Maybe Smith.  I think jackson has to be up there too.  TAtum is shining on the big stage, but Jackson from a talent perspective is right there if not better.

I more see them as very good players though right now.  It's still early.  But Fultz looks like the guy standing out right now.

Those are the 4 guys to me.  Ball is pretty good too and Giles but i'd put them a step below those guys right now.

1. Fultz
2. Smith
3. jackson
4. tatum
5. Giles
6. Ball

Bam, Fox, Monk are a step below that imo. There are other guys too. I'd consider Fultz here. Smith not so sure. Jackson is my guy right this second.

Fultz would be dependent on what kind of role he'd play here and what trades we make.  I would be intrigued if we end up that high or if he slid to us but I wouldn't go out of my way for that either.

[Boris Badenov]

I agree that if anyoone in this draft as it appears right now is transcendant it's Fultz.  Maybe Smith.  I think jackson has to be up there too.  TAtum is shining on the big stage, but Jackson from a talent perspective is right there if not better.

I more see them as very good players though right now.  It's still early.  But Fultz looks like the guy standing out right now.

Those are the 4 guys to me.  Ball is pretty good too and Giles but i'd put them a step below those guys right now.

1. Fultz
2. Smith
3. jackson
4. tatum
5. Giles
6. Ball

Bam, Fox, Monk are a step below that imo. There are other guys too. I'd consider Fultz here. Smith not so sure. Jackson is my guy right this second.

Fultz would be dependent on what kind of role he'd play here and what trades we make.  I would be intrigued if we end up that high or if he slid to us but I wouldn't go out of my way for that either.

I agree with most of that.

On Smart, I said this above but I can't understand how he can be *so* limited that the coaching staff hasn't found an offensive role where he can even be replacement level. Heck, for a couple years AB made a living off of back cuts. Smart doesn't have to do much more than find a way to get 4-5 shots a game from somewhere on the court where he's a threat of some kind.

[walker834]

I like Marcus this is true.  If we are in a situation where we can take Fultz put him in Marcus's role and trade Marcus for a big man it's out there.  I still like Marcus though in the time being.  I don't really see much reason to knock him too bad.  Yeah he isn't james harden off the bench for us.  He's more like a linebacker right this second.  I still like marcus quite a bit.

With Fultz that's not without questions either.  He's young it would be starting over with someone else.  We'd have to be in that position and be abe to trade Marcus for a big man.  Fultz might not even want to play that role. Harden didn't. Took the max and left for somewhere else.

Here Fultz could take over for IT ultimately with him off the bench where we could extend him after his rookie contract but again Smart can do the same.

What if Fultz isn't that good?  We know what Marcus is. Dante Exum didn't exactly pan out.

I think Fultz is that good probably but I also think there are other players too.

Marcus is still improving too.  He's what 22 years old.  We don't know what his ceiling is yet.

A lot of people loved Dante Exum over Smart that draft. I was pretty adamement on Smart.  I don't think Fultz is dante exum.  I think he's the good version of him but even still.

Fultz = nba ready game and body
Exum = neither

Exum got picked ahead of Smart that draft.  Sillyness.

[walker834]

I value the pick about  as much as i value smart too in that regard where trading the pick and keeping smart is the same to me.  Maybe there is some give and take there.  But it goes both ways to me.  We can either just draft.  Trade the pick or trade smart. 

[CelticGuardian]

I like Marcus this is true.  If we are in a situation where we can take Fultz put him in Marcus's role and trade Marcus for a big man it's out there.  I still like Marcus though in the time being.  I don't really see much reason to knock him too bad.  Yeah he isn't james harden off the bench for us.  He's more like a linebacker right this second.  I still like marcus quite a bit.

With Fultz that's not without questions either.  He's young it would be starting over with someone else.  We'd have to be in that position and be abe to trade Marcus for a big man.  Fultz might not even want to play that role. Harden didn't. Took the max and left for somewhere else.

Here Fultz could take over for IT ultimately with him off the bench where we could extend him after his rookie contract but again Smart can do the same.

What if Fultz isn't that good?  We know what Marcus is. Dante Exum didn't exactly pan out.

I think Fultz is that good probably but I also think there are other players too.

Marcus is still improving too.  He's what 22 years old.  We don't know what his ceiling is yet.

A lot of people loved Dante Exum over Smart that draft. I was pretty adamement on Smart.  I don't think Fultz is dante exum.  I think he's the good version of him but even still.

Fultz = nba ready game and body
Exum = neither

Exum got picked ahead of Smart that draft.  Sillyness.

Yeah, Exum is poopers, bro. I mean he's still young or whatever, but at least Smart has shown SOMETHING. Either way, I don't think any of them will be as good as Fultz. One big benefit of drafting him here is that our perimeter defense will test him everyday at practice and he will get even more creative than he is now at scoring the ball. I think for that we gotta win the lottery first 

[CelticGuardian]

They are similar to Smart.  More offensive sure but Marcus can score. He's just not in that role right now.

I dont think they are better than Smart.  I'll take Smart.

Uhh.. Well I respect that man. You like yourself some Marcus Smart, nothing wrong with that. I just think we both are banking on potential here, and we've seen plenty of Smart. What I'm seeing from this new crop is exactly what I think the C's need.

i love the way you put that

TP

Civil as all heck

Oh of course, man. There's no need to be an ass. TP right back.

[celtics2030]

I keep forgetting to mention how Elfrid Payton has gotten much better in year 3 as to where Smart has somewhat regressed or stayed the same in the deficiencies that both had.

[walker834]

Utah may realize they f'd up on Exum and really want Fultz and trade us Hayward too.  We have to be in that position and we don't even know what pick we have yet. Hayward is due to be a free agent etc.  Utah just signed George Hill. 

I think the pick is more valuable to some players.  Even Hayward.  So is Marcus though. We have both.  What's the rush?

We are the ones witht he chips here. We could trade Marcus for Deandre and draft Fultz but who knows right now.

Marcus does not suck.  I know that much.  We have a lot of guards in a guard heavy draft. 

still like josh jackson.  He will bring the thunder.

[tankcity!]

They are similar to Smart.  More offensive sure but Marcus can score. He's just not in that role right now.

I dont think they are better than Smart.  I'll take Smart.

Uhh.. Well I respect that man. You like yourself some Marcus Smart, nothing wrong with that. I just think we both are banking on potential here, and we've seen plenty of Smart. What I'm seeing from this new crop is exactly what I think the C's need.

i love the way you put that

TP

Civil as all heck

Lol, I guess this is pointed at me