Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better

[bmac934]

@celtics2030 seeing as you pay attention to numbers and wanna call him a finisher who cant finish: factoring out 3's, he's shooting 44% from the field....Jimmy Butler and john wall (the first two people i thought of) are shooting 48% from the field factoring out 3's.  As I said before I think he has awful shot selection, so as he becomes better and learns/matures that 44% is only going to improve.  Not only that but he creates his own offense and offense for others. 

@walker834 its a lifestyle

[walker834]

bmac is that you?  lol.  Would be funny but i doubt it.  I agree it's a lifestyle though.

[celtics2030]

@celtics2030 seeing as you pay attention to numbers and wanna call him a finisher who cant finish: factoring out 3's, he's shooting 44% from the field....Jimmy Butler and john wall (the first two people i thought of) are shooting 48% from the field factoring out 3's.  As I said before I think he has awful shot selection, so as he becomes better and learns/matures that 44% is only going to improve.  Not only that but he creates his own offense and offense for others. 

@walker834 its a lifestyle

These guys take a handful of shots, and are prime options

Smart takes a billion three compared to the 2's, he is def a better 2 point shooter than a 3 point shooter, but when i see him go to the basket hes getting rejected most of the time.

[mahcussmaht]

Mahcus is going to be a star.  Patience.

[Boris Badenov]

In terms of scheme and personnel I guess the question is, could Smart be better off playing PG more often?

Suppose he's not the SG/SF in small lineups (where his strength is not an asset), but rather setting up the offense and then playing off the ball in bigger lineups (say Smart/Brown/Crowder/Horford/AJ).

Can he post up smaller PGs and be effective, even if his primary role is often to draw a double and pass out of it?

His PG skills are there. And it seems to me that his defensive skills are better applied taking the other team out of their offense (i.e. guarding a PG) rather than simply defending individual players at the SG/SF spot.

All that said, I'd be shocked if these possibilities haven't occurred to Stevens et al., so maybe we have our answer already.

It's just amazing to me that after three years, this guy has not a single offensive skill that's even close to replacement level. And what's depressing is he really hasn't even improved on anything. We have other cases where a defensive specialist ended up finding just ONE thing he did well, and then had a really good career. Why can't Smart do that?

[Moranis]

Marcus influences winning on the celtics more than anyone not named thomas.  He is not an "awful offensive player" he just has awful shot selection.  Look at Marcus' percentages in clutch situations and tell me he is an awful offensive player.  He has good mechanics and there are spurts that he looks like he can shoot (granted there are other spurts that him shooting the ball makes you want to cringe).  Marcus is a finisher who creates his own offense off the bench.  I really cant fathom how any fan who watches the celtics consistently can bash marcus the way some of you have.

Smart misses a lot of wide open shots.  It isn't his shot selection that is the problem, it is quite simply that he is just a terrible shooter. 

[CelticGuardian]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

[jambr380]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

[ederson]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

I won't compare an actuall NBA player to a college kid. Fultz can become Kyrie Irving but can become Joseph Forte for all i know

But are you saying that Smart's problem is just lack of confidence? 

[CelticGuardian]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

So basically what we are saying here on CB is that Smart is more valuable than the Nets picks, because at least in my opinion Fultz is the best player in this draft, with Lonzo Ball not too far off. But Smart is better than all those guys?!! This is just... ridiculous, man,

[CelticGuardian]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

Yeah in hindsight, Smart doesn't even go 6th in that draft.

[tankcity!]

Has anyone noticed Smart's weight? It seems like he is top heavy haha. It sometimes looks like it's a struggle for him to run up and down the court. Just saying...He did come in with high body fat % in the draft combine. Shedding a few pounds couldn't hurt

[tankcity!]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

Lol. Do you even know what you're saying? Brooklyn pick>Smart.

[GratefulCs]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

Lol. Do you even know what you're saying? Brooklyn pick>Smart.

the Brooklyn pick is way more valuable than smart

But that doesn't mean that player will be better

[CelticGuardian]

Someone on this thread just said Smart > Fultz... yeah we properly value our players here.

Smart was the #6 pick in what was considered a loaded draft. How can you say for certain that Smart isn't better than Fultz? Lots of good college guys don't dominate in the NBA - at least Smart has an all-NBA skill with killer 'intangibles.'

As for Smart succeeding somewhere else - I guess. I mean, if he had a starting spot on a team with fewer aspirations, then perhaps he could gain more confidence. At the very least, he could be an everyday PG and be on the court for all 'crunch time' minutes. With the IT, AB, Smart on-court trio not exactly being dominant, Smart may be only a defensive replacement at the end of games on the Cs.

Lol. Do you even know what you're saying? Brooklyn pick>Smart.

the Brooklyn pick is way more valuable than smart

But that doesn't mean that player will be better

I thought the whole point of it being valuable was because it can net a player better than role player extraordinaire, Marcus Smart. Unless Danny's drafting is as bad as people say, I don't see how you can not get a player better than Marcus at #3 in THIS draft.