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Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2016, 07:10:38 PM »

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He was playing well as a starter.  Was shooting close to 50 percent and improving in other facets. 

I don't want to gang up on Marcus (I tend to see more hope for him than others) but that is just not factually true.

As a starter, he has shot 40% FG% this year.  It's true that that is better than the the 33.3% he has shot from the bench, but it's a long way from 50%.   Overall, even as a starter his true scoring efficiency is still an awful 48.7% TS (league average is around 53-54%).   

That isn't really playing "well" on offense.  It's just not as bad as his numbers off the bench.

All that said, I've seen positive signs in recent games.  He has dramatically reduced the number of threes that he is shooting -- so that is not hurting the team as much.   And when he has been on the floor, Brad has had Marcus handle the ball more -- even sometimes when Thomas is also on the floor -- which removes the need for him to be an outside shooter.   And to be fair, Smart is not bad at all as a ball handler and passer.  His TO rates are not as low as Thomas', but they are low.   And the other positive thing is that when they do want Marcus to score, more and more they are using mid-and-short-range post-ups and simple floater shots from the mid-paint area.  Places where he actually has semi-decent touch on his shots and he can use his body to create a shot for.

To me, for Marcus to succeed on offense, it is all about needing to play within himself first.  I think it was a mistake to try to turn him into volume three point shooter when he came out of college with such a visibly broken 3PT shot.  Right now, Smart needs to play a more Rondo-style of point in order to have value on offense.

I just more meant he has stretches where he shoots close to that particularly as a starter.  He isn't there yet but has some stretches where he reaches his 15, 5, 5 potential and shoots close to 50 percent.  He's not there yet and is still young and developing. He's more of a good compliment to IT  that way and a good roleplayer.

The last two weeks before he went back to the bench hes was averaging 11, 5, 5 and shooting 47 percent. He's done that before but then usually dips back down again.  And when he went back to the bench he was shooting 38 percent again or whatever he does.  He misses a few more shots and just needs to work on being a play maker and better shot selection off the bench.  Knowing when to do what.  He is capable of that imo and just being a good basketball player regardless of if he starts or not or where he plays.

He has stretches.  The consistency is not there.   He's more consistent as a starter but that's to be expected.   

I'm really fine with Marcus.  And IT for that matter.  I think Marcus needs to focus on what I'm saying.  I'm glad we have both.   Players get injured etc.  It's not a bad problem to have.

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And no I wouldn't take Fultz or guys like that in a heartbeat.  I've already said that though.  I don't take a guy just because he's supposedly westbrook if it doesn't fit into what we are trying to do.

I'd much rather get a star somewhere else. Fultz isn't larry bird.  He's good. So is Smith but I'm not touching those guys if it doesn't fit what I want.

We have IT.  We have Horford.  We are developing MArcus and Rozier.  What do we need those guys for.

If we traded one and got a star maybe I'd take a shot on one of those guys but they aren't jumping out at me.

They are young players.  Sure if we have a great team everywhere else and want to pull a Rondo and draft a guy but that's not what I'm seeing.

I like Josh Jackson so far this draft but it's still very early depending on what else is out there and what we try to do. Also like Giles and a few other guys.  Fultz is good too but I'm not jumping up and down like we have to take him even if we had the #1 pick. Same with Tatum, Smith etc, etc..  All nice players but young.
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Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2016, 07:20:40 PM »

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I'm going to circle back again to Jaylen Brown.

I think the fact you can actually consider playing Brown some of Smart's minutes is a bad thing for Smart. He's really only 1 or maybe 2 players from being out of the rotation.

He needs to pick it up real fast and make some improvements.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2016, 07:22:31 PM »

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Smart's minutes are fine. Brown should be getting Jerebko's minutes.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2016, 07:26:09 PM »

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Smart's minutes are fine. Brown should be getting Jerebko's minutes.
The Celtics go small with IT, AB and Smart all the time. It's a bad lineup and I believe the advanced stats show it.

Take Smart out and put Brown in.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2016, 07:30:17 PM »

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Oh great, another "Marcus Smart isn't a good shooter" thread.

Or as I call them, the "Marcus Smart will make these threads look stupid when he makes game-winning plays" thread.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2016, 07:32:11 PM »

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Oh great, another "Marcus Smart isn't a good shooter" thread.

Or as I call them, the "Marcus Smart will make these threads look stupid when he makes game-winning plays" thread.

Thats what you Smart backers do, think its just hating , and just hating on his shooting. You don't even bother to read the thread.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2016, 07:39:20 PM »

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Oh great, another "Marcus Smart isn't a good shooter" thread.

Or as I call them, the "Marcus Smart will make these threads look stupid when he makes game-winning plays" thread.

Thats what you Smart backers do, think its just hating , and just hating on his shooting. You don't even bother to read the thread.

I read the whole thread (which you started by quoting his shooting percentages).  I watch every game.  There is nothing to hate about his game BESIDES his shooting.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2016, 07:42:14 PM »

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It's not so much about backing Smart or hating him to me.  It's more people trying to suck people into what they believe is true.  It's not the reality of it.  I do the same but Marcus isn't without flaws. It's annoying when  people say oh you got to take Fultz though.  Why?  Marcus is a lot better than people give him credit for imo.  He's a developing young player.  So is Brown for that matter.

I don't see it that way at all.  Watching Harry Giles right now.    That other pf they have isn't half bad either.   i'm not talking about Tatum either.

Amile Jefferson looking like leon powe or jordan mickey right now.
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Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2016, 07:45:43 PM »

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It's not so much about backing Smart or hating him to me.  It's more people trying to suck people into what they believe is true.  It's not the reality of it.  I do the same but Marcus isn't without flaws. It's annoying when  people say oh you got to take Fultz though.  Why?  Marcus is a lot better than people give him credit for imo.  He's a developing young player.  So is Brown for that matter.

It is about hating him.  The constant quoting of his shooting percentages and the focus on his point totals.  Complete disregard that he is an All-NBA quality defender of 3 positions at 22 years of age, and that the head coach has consistently said he needs him on the floor when the game is on the line because he makes "winning plays" such as his stellar defense around the screen last night to prevent a designed play for Memphis to get a 3 point shot.

But I come here and daily see a thread about his shooting.  Keep em coming...he will make you feel dumb one day.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2016, 07:47:13 PM »

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I agree in ways because I don't hate smart.  I think he's fine for what we are trying to do.  He's not being traded right now.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2016, 07:50:39 PM »

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Marcus influences winning on the celtics more than anyone not named thomas.  He is not an "awful offensive player" he just has awful shot selection.  Look at Marcus' percentages in clutch situations and tell me he is an awful offensive player.  He has good mechanics and there are spurts that he looks like he can shoot (granted there are other spurts that him shooting the ball makes you want to cringe).  Marcus is a finisher who creates his own offense off the bench.  I really cant fathom how any fan who watches the celtics consistently can bash marcus the way some of you have.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2016, 07:54:19 PM »

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bmac i have a friend named bmac.  you sound like him lol.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2016, 07:57:16 PM »

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Marcus influences winning on the celtics more than anyone not named thomas.  He is not an "awful offensive player" he just has awful shot selection.  Look at Marcus' percentages in clutch situations and tell me he is an awful offensive player.  He has good mechanics and there are spurts that he looks like he can shoot (granted there are other spurts that him shooting the ball makes you want to cringe).  Marcus is a finisher who creates his own offense off the bench.  I really cant fathom how any fan who watches the celtics consistently can bash marcus the way some of you have.

nice, you called Smart a finisher who can't finish.

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2016, 07:57:51 PM »

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Marcus influences winning on the celtics more than anyone not named thomas.  He is not an "awful offensive player" he just has awful shot selection.  Look at Marcus' percentages in clutch situations and tell me he is an awful offensive player.  He has good mechanics and there are spurts that he looks like he can shoot (granted there are other spurts that him shooting the ball makes you want to cringe).  Marcus is a finisher who creates his own offense off the bench.  I really cant fathom how any fan who watches the celtics consistently can bash marcus the way some of you have.

because he has stunk in shooting

Re: Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2016, 08:12:57 PM »

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I love Marcus Smart. Absolutely love him, but his scoring(my attempt to combine his inability to finish or shoot combined with his belief that he can do those things) could be the worst in the NBA.