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Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2016, 04:17:27 AM »

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Murray's 4 months younger than Jaylen.  Seems to be finding a grove.   Would he have too much trouble competing for minutes here?

If his defense is worse than Brown's, he'd probably get fewer minutes.




 His defense is not worse than brown. They're the exact opposites Murray plays smart and has a high IQ on defense, Brown has all the physical abilities in the world but sometimes it's like he just doesn't get it.

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2016, 06:34:21 AM »

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His defense is not worse than brown. They're the exact opposites Murray plays smart and has a high IQ on defense, Brown has all the physical abilities in the world but sometimes it's like he just doesn't get it.

 Brown is the better defender because of the physical abilities.   He is stronger, and he can jump higher both handy things on defense.  He does not look that lost on D, offense I would agree with you.


Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2016, 07:06:00 AM »

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Not too regretful just yet. Murray's poor athleticism is something that can't really be fixed.

He could be a good player in this league, but it's hard to see him being great. His ball handling is mediocre and his defensive potential is low. Not a good combo.
This.  Like mr. dee said, he is  better version of RJ Hunter.

I didn't even have Jaylen (or Bender) on my final list  for the #3 pick.  I wanted Buddy and also thought Jamal would be a good choice. Obviously would have been thrilled with Ingram if LAL hadn't taken him (there were rumors that effect).

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2016, 07:54:03 AM »

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... but I read multiple draftniks who suggested all the picks in the 3-8 range were interchangeable.

You said it all right here.  Three through eight were interchangeable (maybe even 2-8).  Impossible to tell who would be the best pick.  You could have taken the names out of a hat and probably been more likely to align draft order with ultimate value.  They still are interchangeable in my opinion.

I liked Murray.  I would have been perfectly happy if we had taken him.  I remain perfectly happy with Brown too.  5 good games by Murray doesn't change much.  They are still pretty much interchangeable.  Maybe Murray will be the one that emerges from the group to be a star.  Brown could still be that one too.  Maybe they both will.

Have you actually seen Murray play or are you just going by stats?  I have not seen Murray play.  Is he just standing around shooting or does he have a good all around game?  Does it look like he can defend?

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2016, 08:08:36 AM »

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Murray was my number two choice with Jaylen being number one.

Perhaps a twinge of curiosity but to snapshot 5 games out of a possible 800 career games?

You cite the offensive stats but that's only half the game...what is he doing defensively?



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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2016, 08:17:55 AM »

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The fact that Murray is having better stats than Brown this rookie year should surprise no one, look at their respective college stats.  Consensus was that Murray was high floor, low ceiling, Brown was low floor, high ceiling. That remains true after 20 games this year.

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2016, 08:22:30 AM »

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Didn't want Murray and have no issue with Brown.  I too wanted to trade the pick and would have gone with Bender having kept it, but after Bender, Brown made the most sense for this team.  Murray would be barely playing and would have no real avenue for future playing time unless he could beat out Rozier for that  4th guard spot (and then you are talking about 4th guard minutes only).  Brown will easily slot into backup SF and has a real chance to supplant Crowder.  I just don't see Murray ever supplanting Thomas, Bradley, or Smart (unless Smart all of a sudden forgets how to play defense).
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Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2016, 08:29:08 AM »

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I preferred Murray or Bender and the last person I wanted was Brown but since the draft I've built up Brown in my head.  I think people may have been fooled by that 100 3's drill.  In actual games Murray will be a great shooter, and Brown has never shot well in game.

I think Murray could be some hybrid of McCollum, Billups, Michael Redd.  He looks like he will be a player.

Edit:  I just thought of a comparison I really like : Allan Houston with better ballhandling.

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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2016, 08:36:49 AM »

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With our guard play so far this season, anyone who thinks Murray would have earned any more playing time than Jaylen is kidding themselves.

Of the 3-8 guys, the only ones I didn't want want were Hield and Chriss, but most of those guys playing on bad teams are going to look better than Jaylen this season.  It's very hard for a one-and-done to come in and get good minutes on a contending team.  18 months ago these guys were playing against high schoolers, and now they're in the NBA.  To have the added difficulty of being on a team that can't afford too many in-game mistakes means limited minutes.

I like how Stevens is using Jaylen at this point.  He brings him in at the end of the first quarter and beginning of the second quarter when most teams primarily have backups in, which gives him some minutes in when the game is competitive, but is not such a long stretch that any mistakes he makes would likely cost the team the game.  And then in the second half maybe he gets another stretch depending on game flow.

Jaylen is a smart, hard-working kid.  As the season progresses, I expect he'll find more minutes.  Come March I think he'll be averaging 13-18 minutes a game.  I liked a play he made yesterday on offense -- he missed an open 3 in the corner, but it was the right shot to take.  He knew he had missed it from the release, and instead of watching it, followed the shot, got the rebound, and calmly kicked it out to Olynyk, who made the open 3.  It was the type of play that showed the game is slowing down for him a little -- three weeks ago I bet he'd have tried to make a contested 12-footer off that rebound instead of finding the open man.

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2016, 08:43:02 AM »

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"Anyone regret not taking Kobe Bryant yet?"

I mean, we took Antoine walker at #6 and Kobe went #13.

Come on man, enough with the same questions all over again each season.

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2016, 09:18:39 AM »

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Murray and Brown were my top two for the #3 pick. You can fact check me. What can I say, I put a lot of time in watching youtube videos  ;D.

Anyways, too early to tell. Brown has already lost his confidence from what I can see. This is what happens when you don't let a player get in rhythm and adjust to NBA speed. Murray started out slow, but he received minutes continuously and adjusted.

We don't know if Brown would be able to adjust, but he certainly hasn't been given the opportunity to receive consistent minutes like Murray has. This is CBS's fault honestly. He cares too much about regular seasons wins that won't mean much because the guys that we will actually need in the playoffs is our young guys because they have the potential to be difference makers. Not the role players on this team like Jerebko and Zeller. Even Gerald Green. Brown should be getting all the backup SF minutes, and some PF minutes.

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2016, 09:49:36 AM »

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With our guard play so far this season, anyone who thinks Murray would have earned any more playing time than Jaylen is kidding themselves.

Of the 3-8 guys, the only ones I didn't want want were Hield and Chriss, but most of those guys playing on bad teams are going to look better than Jaylen this season.  It's very hard for a one-and-done to come in and get good minutes on a contending team.  18 months ago these guys were playing against high schoolers, and now they're in the NBA.  To have the added difficulty of being on a team that can't afford too many in-game mistakes means limited minutes.

I like how Stevens is using Jaylen at this point.  He brings him in at the end of the first quarter and beginning of the second quarter when most teams primarily have backups in, which gives him some minutes in when the game is competitive, but is not such a long stretch that any mistakes he makes would likely cost the team the game.  And then in the second half maybe he gets another stretch depending on game flow.

Jaylen is a smart, hard-working kid.  As the season progresses, I expect he'll find more minutes.  Come March I think he'll be averaging 13-18 minutes a game.  I liked a play he made yesterday on offense -- he missed an open 3 in the corner, but it was the right shot to take.  He knew he had missed it from the release, and instead of watching it, followed the shot, got the rebound, and calmly kicked it out to Olynyk, who made the open 3.  It was the type of play that showed the game is slowing down for him a little -- three weeks ago I bet he'd have tried to make a contested 12-footer off that rebound instead of finding the open man.

Are you suggesting that he has improved his game and is developing despite not being force-fed 30 minutes a game? Impossible!
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Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2016, 10:01:18 AM »

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With our guard play so far this season, anyone who thinks Murray would have earned any more playing time than Jaylen is kidding themselves.

Of the 3-8 guys, the only ones I didn't want want were Hield and Chriss, but most of those guys playing on bad teams are going to look better than Jaylen this season.  It's very hard for a one-and-done to come in and get good minutes on a contending team.  18 months ago these guys were playing against high schoolers, and now they're in the NBA.  To have the added difficulty of being on a team that can't afford too many in-game mistakes means limited minutes.

I like how Stevens is using Jaylen at this point.  He brings him in at the end of the first quarter and beginning of the second quarter when most teams primarily have backups in, which gives him some minutes in when the game is competitive, but is not such a long stretch that any mistakes he makes would likely cost the team the game.  And then in the second half maybe he gets another stretch depending on game flow.

Jaylen is a smart, hard-working kid.  As the season progresses, I expect he'll find more minutes.  Come March I think he'll be averaging 13-18 minutes a game.  I liked a play he made yesterday on offense -- he missed an open 3 in the corner, but it was the right shot to take.  He knew he had missed it from the release, and instead of watching it, followed the shot, got the rebound, and calmly kicked it out to Olynyk, who made the open 3.  It was the type of play that showed the game is slowing down for him a little -- three weeks ago I bet he'd have tried to make a contested 12-footer off that rebound instead of finding the open man.

Are you suggesting that he has improved his game and is developing despite not being force-fed 30 minutes a game? Impossible!

My bad.  I forget that NBA basketball is really just a simulator in which minutes played is the only way players get better.   :laugh:

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2016, 10:35:25 AM »

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Discussions based on 5 games? In November of rookie seasons?

Re: Anyone regret not taking Jamal Murray yet?
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2016, 10:45:14 AM »

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Funny how you forgot to mention that Jaylen has played an average of 5 minutes during the last five games whereas Jamal Murray has played an average of 27,2 minutes ::)

In general, I don't see the point of discussing who is the better player based on a five game stint in the month of November. Let's make the comparison after some years. Jaylen could easily become a better shooter 3 years from now provided that he keeps working on his shot.
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