Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel

[alldaboston]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

I remain steadfast that a huge reason so many Celtics fans want him is because he's from Boston. Otherwise, I think the hype around him would be a lot less.

[jpotter33]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

[chambers]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Thanks for the summary.
I'll watch some tape on youtube. Broke my foot so got a few weeks to roam youtube on the couch.
Interested to see how he guards switches. We need someone to guard Kyrie in the pick and roll out on the perimeter. Thompson does an amazing job for the Cavs.

If we are truly interested in Noel I'd have to assume this is the number one reason.
I'm guessing he's shown solid potential?

[Monkhouse]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Thanks for the summary.
I'll watch some tape on youtube. Broke my foot so got a few weeks to roam youtube on the couch.
Interested to see how he guards switches. We need someone to guard Kyrie in the pick and roll out on the perimeter. Thompson does an amazing job for the Cavs.

If we are truly interested in Noel I'd have to assume this is the number one reason.
I'm guessing he's shown solid potential?

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Ouch hope your leg heals well*, what happened?

And tp for the summary jpotter33.

Noel is an amazing defender, don't get me wrong, but I think we should wait in the free agency. I just don't want to give up too much assets for someone that would possibly bolt.

[jpotter33]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Thanks for the summary.
I'll watch some tape on youtube. Broke my foot so got a few weeks to roam youtube on the couch.
Interested to see how he guards switches. We need someone to guard Kyrie in the pick and roll out on the perimeter. Thompson does an amazing job for the Cavs.

If we are truly interested in Noel I'd have to assume this is the number one reason.
I'm guessing he's shown solid potential?

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Ouch hope your leg heals, what happened?

And tp for the summary jpotter33.

Noel is an amazing defender, don't get me wrong, but I think we should wait in the free agency. I just don't want to give up too much assets for someone that would possibly bolt.

Well, if we got him we'd ultimately determine whether we kept him or not, since he's a RFA. And I really don't think we'd give up much for him due to all of the context surrounding him with the Philly logjam and everything else.

I just don't think there's any other legitimate upgrades that will help us right now in free agency or via trade. I can't see Griffin coming here; I don't really want to give Milsap a big contract and become a slightly better version of the Hawks; and Hayward doesn't really help us in the big department. I guess we can always wait for the Boogie trade, but whether or not that will ever happen is still up in the air. There's always Ibaka, too, but I'd rather have Noel than his 30 year old self. And I guess we can always try and bank on Kelly to step up in that role, but at the way we are going, he provides something that we don't need as much (offense/shooting/playmaking from the big spot) and doesn't provide what we ultimately need in a big (rebounding/rim protection).

I honestly just think Noel is the best way to upgrade our big position, which is obviously in need of upgrading.

[alldaboston]

I like Noel, but paying him max money? Ugh. I dont like that at all.

[Surferdad]

I like Noel, but paying him max money? Ugh. I dont like that at all.

Trade for him and you can match offers from other teams.  That gives you the choice to re-sign him or not based on real market value.  To sign him outright as a RFA, you are competing against his perceived value only.

I would go get Noel ASAP.  Horford is not progressing in his concussion protocol and Olynyk is still out and likely will need many weeks to get into game shape after he returns.

[A Future of Stevens]

I like Noel, but paying him max money? Ugh. I dont like that at all.

Trade for him and you can match offers from other teams.  That gives you the choice to re-sign him or not based on real market value.  To sign him outright as a RFA, you are competing against his perceived value only.

I would go get Noel ASAP.  Horford is not progressing in his concussion protocol and Olynyk is still out and likely will need many weeks to get into game shape after he returns.

Isnt Noel irrelevant to our current injury concerns? I thought he himself is working his way back from surgery. Granted I could be dead wrong.

[Surferdad]

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Thanks for the summary.
I'll watch some tape on youtube. Broke my foot so got a few weeks to roam youtube on the couch.
Interested to see how he guards switches. We need someone to guard Kyrie in the pick and roll out on the perimeter. Thompson does an amazing job for the Cavs.

If we are truly interested in Noel I'd have to assume this is the number one reason.
I'm guessing he's shown solid potential?

Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).

Oh yeah, for sure, even if it's just by virtue of him being younger and supremely athletic.

But, no, his defense is definitely elite. You should look towards his rookie year more than last year due to the Sixers playing him out of position at PF. He averaged 1.8 steals and 1.9 blocks per game, which is significantly better than Amir has done at any time throughout his career. And it wasn't just a one year thing, too. Even out of position at the PF position last year, he still had 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks per game in less than 30 minutes per game. Those are really good numbers for a young center on a really, really bad team, and those types of stats aren't even really inflated stats that one gets on a bad team.

Offensively he'll give 10-12 points in lobs, trash plays, and offensive rebounding putbacks each night, which is only marginally more than Amir gives you, but what you're trading for him for is his rim protection, perimeter defensive versatility, rebounding, and overall athleticism.

Ouch hope your leg heals, what happened?

And tp for the summary jpotter33.

Noel is an amazing defender, don't get me wrong, but I think we should wait in the free agency. I just don't want to give up too much assets for someone that would possibly bolt.

Well, if we got him we'd ultimately determine whether we kept him or not, since he's a RFA. And I really don't think we'd give up much for him due to all of the context surrounding him with the Philly logjam and everything else.

I just don't think there's any other legitimate upgrades that will help us right now in free agency or via trade. I can't see Griffin coming here; I don't really want to give Milsap a big contract and become a slightly better version of the Hawks; and Hayward doesn't really help us in the big department. I guess we can always wait for the Boogie trade, but whether or not that will ever happen is still up in the air. There's always Ibaka, too, but I'd rather have Noel than his 30 year old self. And I guess we can always try and bank on Kelly to step up in that role, but at the way we are going, he provides something that we don't need as much (offense/shooting/playmaking from the big spot) and doesn't provide what we ultimately need in a big (rebounding/rim protection).

I honestly just think Noel is the best way to upgrade our big position, which is obviously in need of upgrading.

This, TP.  I think this notion of 'patience' has its limits.  Horford is not getting any younger and the organization has invested $120mm in him.  I would rather give up some assets and get Noel now and have him in control, than to wait until the off-season.

This team needs help in the frontcourt now.

This team is supposed to be one of the top defensive teams in the NBA, yet have shown pitiful defensive performances lately.

This team is not very much fun to watch.

Horford's return is delayed due to concussion protocol.  Will he be 100% when he gets back?

Olynyk's return does not address our greatest needs.

And finally, as usual, we tend of overvalue our young players.

Danny, make a move. 

JMHO.

[LooseCannon]

At this point, I would only be willing to give up the sort of assets where I wouldn't feel bad if Noel got such a offer sheet so large next summer that makes me think it is better to lose him for nothing than to overpay him.  The 76ers are unlikely to be willing to sell that low.

I'm not convinced that Stevens would start Noel if the Celtics had a fully healthy roster.

[Bobshot]

Celts are lottery mush right now up front without Crowder and Horford.  Noel is rehabbing from minor knee surgery, and wouldn't be available anyways for at least a few weeks. If they want him, they figure they can sign him in the off-season, because he's local. But watch out for the Raptors--they might steal him right now.

Another issue is Stevens obsession with soft Zeller up front.

[Surferdad]

Celts are lottery mush right now up front without Crowder and Horford.  Noel is rehabbing from minor knee surgery, and wouldn't be available anyways for at least a few weeks. If they want him, they figure they can sign him in the off-season, because he's local. But watch out for the Raptors--they might steal him right now.
Another issue is Stevens obsession with soft Zeller up front.

By waiting until the off-season, you are competing with other teams and somebody will likely overpay. 

I don't want to lose the opportunity to bring in Noel.  To me, he represents the best chance to get a big who can defend, rebound and give you a few garbage buckets around the rim.  I just don't see other realistic big man possibilities -- AD, Griffin, Love etc.

[blink]

Celts are lottery mush right now up front without Crowder and Horford.  Noel is rehabbing from minor knee surgery, and wouldn't be available anyways for at least a few weeks. If they want him, they figure they can sign him in the off-season, because he's local. But watch out for the Raptors--they might steal him right now.
Another issue is Stevens obsession with soft Zeller up front.

By waiting until the off-season, you are competing with other teams and somebody will likely overpay. 

I don't want to lose the opportunity to bring in Noel.  To me, he represents the best chance to get a big who can defend, rebound and give you a few garbage buckets around the rim.  I just don't see other realistic big man possibilities -- AD, Griffin, Love etc.

I agree with this.  If you really like Noel, and he can be traded for this year, just get him before he goes to free agency.  I don't know if he starts or not, but I like the potential combo of Noel and KO.  Two 7 footers, one who can hit the 3 and generate mismatches and 1 stellar def guy who can protect the rim.  Those two next to horford give us a lot of flexibility.

[green_bballers13]

Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.

Seems like too much to me, especially considering 6 year deals are not allowed and Nerlens is not eligible for anywhere near $140 million.

Granted I don't know the particulars of the NBA's CBA.

Given some of the questionable deals this past offseason and an expanding cap, what do you think he will sign for?

[kozlodoev]

Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.

Seems like too much to me, especially considering 6 year deals are not allowed and Nerlens is not eligible for anywhere near $140 million.

Granted I don't know the particulars of the NBA's CBA.

Given some of the questionable deals this past offseason and an expanding cap, what do you think he will sign for?

With his tenure, the max that he's eligible is 5 years, $90 million, give or take $10 million or so. Haven't checked these, though, so don't quote me