Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel

[celticsclay]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

[TrueFan]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

Its bad business to treat your employees that way. The Sixers get an automatic reboot after letting Hinkie go. So if they sit on Noel they will ruin their chances at rebuilding their image. Players see how teams treat their players. Free agents are always talking nicely about the Celtics organization. The Sixers got their reboot. No way they ruin it by disrespecting players with value the way being proposed.

[LarBrd33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

[D Dub]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

How do you think Okafor will feel, watching Noel get maxed on the heels of Embiid's breakout season?

Seems like they'd be trading one chemistry problem for another... 
 

[tazzmaniac]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Why would any team pay any more than 50 cents / dollar? 

If Philly wants anything in return, they'll take Rozier and the pick.  What other deals are out there?

That, and Rozier is a perfect fit for a young Philly team.

Noel will be a RFA so he can't just walk.  The Sixers or whichever team owns his contract will be able to match any offers.  If the Sixers are getting lowball offers, there is no reason for them not to wait until the deadline to see if some team gets desperate and bumps up their offer. 

How is Rozier a perfect fit for the Sixers?  How does he compliment Simmons and Embiid?  The 2017 draft is PG heavy so they'd just draft somebody younger and better than Rozier.

he appears to be a quite capable shooter when hes open. He defends point gaurds, has the length to switch onto 2s could presumably run pick and roll, and is just a solid young gaurd.

He fits them quite well. He also seems to be the type to fit next to just about any gaurd (assuming he reaches his potential).

He's also a PG that can work off the ball, which is good for Simmons.

the other thing about Roz is that he's currently underutilized on a team deep with guards. 

another team should look at him the way we looked at Crowder in Dallas, or IT in Phoenix. 

a player like Rozier is exactly the kind of player that, in a larger role, could find himself flourishing. 

he'd be an ideal long term fit next to Simmons/Embiid because of his age, and the likelihood that he'll mesh well as starter while only demanding a modest contract extension (while his blue chip teammates get maxed out).

Just not sold on Rozier yet and don't see him as a starter.  With the Sixers probably having two top 10 picks in the next draft, they'll draft their future starting PG.   

[byennie]

In order to get Noel, another shoe has to drop with one of our "bargain" guys. In 2 years, we need to pay IT+Bradley+Smart or lose them. If we're paying $50M to Horford and Noel that ain't happening.

Crowder is so cheap that a Crowder-Horford-Noel front line is maybe worth the ~$60M or so, but we're screwed if we're paying IT $25M+ on top of that.

I know people will diverge a lot based on their opinion of Smart, but in this scenario I'd look to extend him early next year and assume Smart/Rozier/Brown will be a cheap young core for 3-5 years. We probably cash out IT and Bradley, unless Bradley just continues to be a flat-out All Star from here, and then we have the BKN picks and some money to spend.

[celticsclay]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right? The difference is the magic could at least have some minutes for Harris and, as far as anything I ever saw, Harris was never complaining to the media and having issues with the front office. At a certain point it may just be better for them to cut their losses and focus on getting guys that want to be there for them and build something. Its not the worst thing in the world if they have an awesome starting center and a great young backup.

[Ilikesports17]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

Orlando tried something similar with Tobias Harris and it ended up backfiring.

In fact, maxing Harris was much safer than matching large offers on Noel would be imo.

[jpotter33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

I do think Noel will be before the deadline.  However if he isn't I'm less sure that he'll get near-Max contract.  This summer every team had cap space and a lot of teams spent theirs.  There are going to be a lot less teams able to offer big contracts next summer.  Which teams that will have near-max cap space are going to offer it to Noel? 

The difference with Turner was that he wasn't a RFA.  Clarkson who was a RFA ended up signing a much more reasonable 4yr/50M.

After a quick glance, it looks like potential teams that could reasonably go after him for decent sized offers are Boston, Brooklyn, Lakers, Suns, New Orleans, and Spurs. I think the first five teams especially will go after him hard and have the cap space to make him a big to max/near-max offer.

What also helps his case is that this free agent class is very limited on bogs. Hoopshype had him as the number 10 free agent on the market, and the only other two bigs before him are Griffin and old Milsap. If nothing happens this season, I expect us to go after Griffin hard, but I don't see him signing here. So at that point, what do we do? Sign Hayward? Honestly doesn't really help us with the big position, and I ultimately think he's redundant with Crowder on a much greater contract.

Outside of a Boogie trade, KO improvement, or some other trade for a big, Noel is really the best bet we have for upgrading our front court.

[jpotter33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

Like, no sense whatsoever. Signing someone to a big contract in free agency is COMPLETELY different than trading for one from another team. One costs just the price of the contract; the other costs the price of the contract AND some. That's like saying we should've kept Turner for the price of his current contract and then traded him due to there being a "trade market" for his $17 M contract!

[LarBrd33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right?

Yes.  Exactly.  Harris didn't fit into their long-term vision.  It made more sense to retain him and trade him later for whatever they could get.  Letting him walk for nothing was bad business.  Same situation here.

That said, I expect Noel to be moved before the deadline.  It just might be closer to February than November.

[MJohnnyboy]

This all sounds like speculation, but this team really needs Noel. It's a shame Sam Hinkie's not running the Sixers anymore, because if he was, the Celtics could probably get Noel for their non-Brooklyn assets.

[tazzmaniac]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right? The difference is the magic could at least have some minutes for Harris and, as far as anything I ever saw, Harris was never complaining to the media and having issues with the front office. At a certain point it may just be better for them to cut their losses and focus on getting guys that want to be there for them and build something. Its not the worst thing in the world if they have an awesome starting center and a great young backup.

I think the Magic tried to get Millsap in free agency.  When they couldn't, they re-signed Harris for less than his Max.  I don't recall any other team making an offer for Harris.  Midway through the next season they traded him to Detroit. 

If the Sixers haven't found a reasonable trade offer by the deadline, they might as well see what happens in the offseason.  They could end up working a sign and trade. 

[celticsclay]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?

If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right? The difference is the magic could at least have some minutes for Harris and, as far as anything I ever saw, Harris was never complaining to the media and having issues with the front office. At a certain point it may just be better for them to cut their losses and focus on getting guys that want to be there for them and build something. Its not the worst thing in the world if they have an awesome starting center and a great young backup.

I think the Magic tried to get Millsap in free agency.  When they couldn't, they re-signed Harris for less than his Max.  I don't recall any other team making an offer for Harris.  Midway through the next season they traded him to Detroit. 

If the Sixers haven't found a reasonable trade offer by the deadline, they might as well see what happens in the offseason.  They could end up working a sign and trade.

it looks like the magic got garbage for him though in Jennings and illisovA. How would doing this help the 76ers?

[walker834]

This all sounds like speculation, but this team really needs Noel. It's a shame Sam Hinkie's not running the Sixers anymore, because if he was, the Celtics could probably get Noel for their non-Brooklyn assets.

The way I see it is there are only so many big men in the NBA that are even available.  I brought up Love the other day just revisiting that one because we had a shot at him at one point too.  I think he's locked up in Cleveland now.  We can pay for Boogie or pay for a guy like Noel.  Deandre etc.

Ainge is all well and good waiting but in order for deals to happen I feel like the C's have to be the aggressor at this point.

I still think Noel is the most attainable but we are going to have to give up something.  If that leaves room to get someone else I am not opposed to doing that.

I think Celtics fans like to pan stuff in general without really thinking about it.