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Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #75 on: October 19, 2016, 01:09:46 PM »

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Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.
Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?
The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.
I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.
37% is definitely good. Do you consider a FG% of 50% good? Well, 37% from 3 is more points per shot than 50% from 2.

It doesn't matter how we call it. The numbers are what matter.
league average was 49.1% from 2, so no 50% wouldn't be good, it would be slightly above average.  Now again that is taking position out of it, 50% from 2 is likely good for a guard and might even be poor for a center, but I haven't looked at those numbers.

Let's put it this 44 PG's qualified for 3 point shooting last year.  Rondo ranked 19th, which is slightly better than the middle.  That is not a good 3 point shooter that is an above average 3 point shooter for his position (at least of those with enough attempts to qualify).  6 players (with rounding) were at 41% or higher, I would consider them great.  There was a clear percentage drop between Mills at 38.4 and Lillard at 37.5 so that is probably the good to above average division line.  Mills was ranked 15th and Lillard was ranked 16th.  Then you have the above average players which I will draw at 36.2%.  The below average line at 35%.  The poor line 33%.  And the bad/terrible line everyone else.  That seems to be good dividing lines based on number of players and you could probably have a special category for Curry at the top and Smart at the bottom because those guys were so much better or so much worse than everyone else (though Felton and Westbrook were also both under 30% just not as bad as Smart and Bayless clearly separated himself from everyone else except Curry, in fact Bayless was closer to Curry than Calderon was to Bayless).
i mean, we all word things differently, but 37% is good

40% from three is when you normally start talking about the great shooters
Rondo was 19th out of 44 eligible PG's.  I don't see how that can be considered good.  That is slightly above average.  That is not good.
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Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #76 on: October 19, 2016, 01:22:08 PM »

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Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.
Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?
The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.
I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.
37% is definitely good. Do you consider a FG% of 50% good? Well, 37% from 3 is more points per shot than 50% from 2.

It doesn't matter how we call it. The numbers are what matter.
league average was 49.1% from 2, so no 50% wouldn't be good, it would be slightly above average.  Now again that is taking position out of it, 50% from 2 is likely good for a guard and might even be poor for a center, but I haven't looked at those numbers.

Let's put it this 44 PG's qualified for 3 point shooting last year.  Rondo ranked 19th, which is slightly better than the middle.  That is not a good 3 point shooter that is an above average 3 point shooter for his position (at least of those with enough attempts to qualify).  6 players (with rounding) were at 41% or higher, I would consider them great.  There was a clear percentage drop between Mills at 38.4 and Lillard at 37.5 so that is probably the good to above average division line.  Mills was ranked 15th and Lillard was ranked 16th.  Then you have the above average players which I will draw at 36.2%.  The below average line at 35%.  The poor line 33%.  And the bad/terrible line everyone else.  That seems to be good dividing lines based on number of players and you could probably have a special category for Curry at the top and Smart at the bottom because those guys were so much better or so much worse than everyone else (though Felton and Westbrook were also both under 30% just not as bad as Smart and Bayless clearly separated himself from everyone else except Curry, in fact Bayless was closer to Curry than Calderon was to Bayless).
i mean, we all word things differently, but 37% is good

40% from three is when you normally start talking about the great shooters
Rondo was 19th out of 44 eligible PG's.  I don't see how that can be considered good.  That is slightly above average.  That is not good.

Guys this is getting to be kind of ridiculous. You have been arguing semantics for like 2 pages over Rondo's shooting percentage from 3....

Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2016, 02:08:04 PM »

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Guys this is getting to be kind of ridiculous. You have been arguing semantics for like 2 pages over Rondo's shooting percentage from 3....

This. 

It's foolish.


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Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2016, 04:44:30 PM »

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Guys this is getting to be kind of ridiculous. You have been arguing semantics for like 2 pages over Rondo's shooting percentage from 3....

This. 

It's foolish.
Most of this board is nothing but semantics and foolish nonsense.  I mean it is a forum on a blog about a basketball team. 
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Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2016, 04:56:43 PM »

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Guys this is getting to be kind of ridiculous. You have been arguing semantics for like 2 pages over Rondo's shooting percentage from 3....

This. 

It's foolish.
Most of this board is nothing but semantics and foolish nonsense.  I mean it is a forum on a blog about a basketball team.

Tell us something we don't know.

When it devolves into something like "good" v. "above average" over a couple pages, that's foolish even by those standards.


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Re: Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2016, 06:01:15 PM »

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Guys this is getting to be kind of ridiculous. You have been arguing semantics for like 2 pages over Rondo's shooting percentage from 3....

This. 

It's foolish.
Most of this board is nothing but semantics and foolish nonsense.  I mean it is a forum on a blog about a basketball team.

Tell us something we don't know.

When it devolves into something like "good" v. "above average" over a couple pages, that's foolish even by those standards.

agreed.