Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade

[LarBrd33]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh. 

[GratefulCs]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh.

i don't think that many people are hinkie haters


I also don't think many people think the sixers plan will fail completely


I DO feel that many people think the "process" is disrespectful to the fans and the sport, and therefore tough to swallow


Tanking for soooo many years it tough to take


Having said that, philly was such a classic treadmill team before tanking. So i get why they needed to tank epically

Also, it's not like it's hard to do. If you have the "okay" from the owner, all you have to do is field the youngest and least talented team you can, initially, while getting rid of any bad contracts


I'm looking forward to another sixers/celtics rivalry

[jpotter33]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Lots of exaggeration and hyperbole on CB lately. Let's late Embiid make it through at least half a season and put up these kinds of numbers in more than just 12 minutes a night in the preseason before labeling him a potential future hall of famer.

[jpotter33]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh.

Again, am I missing something? There's still a major roster crunch that they haven't figured out, which has already led to locker room troubles, another of their top picks has a major foot injury, and they haven't won jack crap yet, but since Embiid is putting up some decent preseason stats everything is going in their direction??

At least one of their guys is going to have to end up as a hall of famer that leads them to multiple championships in order for their suckitude for the last four years to have not been in vain. They're *far* from receiving the last laugh, and it's highly likely that they never  get that last laugh.

[LarBrd33]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh.

i don't think that many people are hinkie haters


I also don't think many people think the sixers plan will fail completely


I DO feel that many people think the "process" is disrespectful to the fans and the sport, and therefore tough to swallow


Tanking for soooo many years it tough to take


Having said that, philly was such a classic treadmill team before tanking. So i get why they needed to tank epically

Also, it's not like it's hard to do. If you have the "okay" from the owner, all you have to do is field the youngest and least talented team you can, initially, while getting rid of any bad contracts


I'm looking forward to another sixers/celtics rivalry

yeah it's not "sooo many years".  Itty bitty drop in the bucket really.  The wolves and kings haven't made the playoffs in over a decade.  What's a handful of years of tanking in the grand scheme of things?  Boston was a treadmill team as well until Ainge took over.  In Ainge's 4th season, the team tanked to a bottom 2 record.   Then suddenly it didn't matter.  Nobody cared about the two decades of treadmill basketball and the tanking.  Winning cures all.  Philly might still fail, but they are on pace to have a special team if their superstar prospects develop over the next few years.   Philly may indeed have the last laugh and that clearly drives the premature "Philly's failed" celebrators cray cray.

[tazzmaniac]

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

and yet hinkie got flack for trading him.  They still have the top 3 protected laker pick. Could end up much better than MCW.

Sorry, but I'm not sure where you're getting the Hinkie flack from... I don't recall him getting that, other than a poster here and there. In fact, most people where in agreement that MCW sucked. I think you're recalling things a bit skewed since I do recall you were fairly high, or at least higher than most around here, on MCW and thought he might be getting more than a protected 1st rounder out of him.

So... not really.

Every time I mentioned that Hinkie made a great trade getting the Lakers pick for MCW, I got flak.

Because it's still not a great trade.  The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again for 2017 and most people seem to agree the Lakers could be bad enough again to keep it.  So, Hinkie traded MCW for what might end up being, depending on events, a 2018 pick that might not even be in the lottery.

It wasn't a terrible trade but, as always, it was another Hinkie move where the downside was never considered.

Mike

what downside?

1.  If the Lakers get another top 3 pick next year, then sign a couple of quality veterans, it would not at all be hard for them to take a big leap the following season.  The Lakers, afterall, could have the fifth, sixth, even eighth best record this year and still get a top pick.  Of course, people didn't understand the concept of "draft lottery" when it applied to the Sixers.  It's not surprising that extends to the Lakers.

2.  Opportunity cost.  Trading MCW in 2015 for a return they have yet to receive prevented them from using him as a asset in any other deals.  Heck, maybe Ainge trades the third pick and Young+Hunter for MCW and Noel.

Again, MCW is no great shakes so you can't slam that individual move too much.  It's typical of Hinkie-lovers, though, to be thrilled with a deal where you could wait three years and wind up with the equivalent of Nik Stauskus.

Mike

People understand the lottery odds.  The top 3 odds for the 5th worst record is only 29.2%.  which would give the Sixers a good chance at a couple top 5 or 6 picks in a PG and SF heavy draft.  If the pick rolls over to 2018, it becomes unprotected which means the Sixers would have a chance at the #1 pick unless the Lakers made the playoffs. 

Not trading MCW would have been an opportunity lost.  The Lakers pick is worth much more than MCW in any trade the Sixers might have wanted to make.  If any team had an interest in MCW, they just had a chance to show it by offering the Bucks more than Snell. 

[GratefulCs]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh.

i don't think that many people are hinkie haters


I also don't think many people think the sixers plan will fail completely


I DO feel that many people think the "process" is disrespectful to the fans and the sport, and therefore tough to swallow


Tanking for soooo many years it tough to take


Having said that, philly was such a classic treadmill team before tanking. So i get why they needed to tank epically

Also, it's not like it's hard to do. If you have the "okay" from the owner, all you have to do is field the youngest and least talented team you can, initially, while getting rid of any bad contracts


I'm looking forward to another sixers/celtics rivalry

yeah it's not "sooo many years".  Itty bitty drop in the bucket really.  The wolves and kings haven't made the playoffs in over a decade.  What's a handful of years of tanking in the grand scheme of things?  Boston was a treadmill team as well until Ainge took over.  In Ainge's 4th season, the team tanked to a bottom 2 record.   Then suddenly it didn't matter.  Nobody cared about the two decades of treadmill basketball and the tanking.  Winning cures all.  Philly might still fail, but they are on pace to have a special team if their superstar prospects develop over the next few years.   Philly may indeed have the last laugh and that clearly drives the premature "Philly's failed" celebrators cray cray.

drop in the bucket? We don't know that just yet


They're not done tanking

[nickagneta]

How the hell did a Chicago-Milwaukee trade thread devolve into another Philadelphia/Hinkie thread?

Can whoever is doing this please refrain from changing the subject in so many threads to Philly and Hinkie and The Plan? Its gotten really OLD this summer.

Its pretty easy to see who started this one:

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

and yet hinkie got flack for trading him.  They still have the top 3 protected laker pick. Could end up much better than MCW.

[LarBrd33]

How the hell did a Chicago-Milwaukee trade thread devolve into another Philadelphia/Hinkie thread?

Can whoever is doing this please refrain from changing the subject in so many threads to Philly and Hinkie and The Plan? Its gotten really OLD this summer.

Its pretty easy to see who started this one:

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

Go easy on Denis998, he brought up a great point and it was very relevant.

The only reason this is a story worth discussing in the "Around the NBA" thread is because of the surprising worthlessness of MCW.  Otherwise, this story isn't worthy of discussion.   THey couldn't even get Ben McLemore or a 1st round pick for him.  They had to settle for a role player that shot 37% last year.   And it's not possible to discuss the surprising worthlessness of MCW without marveling at the incredible heist Sam Hinkie pulled off last year when he sold high on him.  He took a lot of flack for it at the time.  Lots of folks choking on crow today. 

[Eddie20]

How the hell did a Chicago-Milwaukee trade thread devolve into another Philadelphia/Hinkie thread?

Can whoever is doing this please refrain from changing the subject in so many threads to Philly and Hinkie and The Plan? Its gotten really OLD this summer.

Its pretty easy to see who started this one:

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

and yet hinkie got flack for trading him.  They still have the top 3 protected laker pick. Could end up much better than MCW.

It's baffling how certain people's sole motivation is to alienate and annoy other members with their insufferable antics. That unbearable behavior says more about them and what they seem to lack in their lives, than it does about the people those nonsensical verbose posts attempt to irritate.

[LarBrd33]

How the hell did a Chicago-Milwaukee trade thread devolve into another Philadelphia/Hinkie thread?

Can whoever is doing this please refrain from changing the subject in so many threads to Philly and Hinkie and The Plan? Its gotten really OLD this summer.

Its pretty easy to see who started this one:

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

It's baffling how certain people's sole motivation is to alienate and annoy other members with their insufferable antics. That unbearable behavior says more about them and what they seem to lack in their lives, than it does about the people those nonsensical verbose posts attempt to irritate.

I agree.  I suggest you stop doing that.  I gave you a TP for self awareness though.

[LarBrd33]

Lol.  Hinkie is getting vindicated all over the place.  Embiid looks like a future hall of famer and that juicy top 5 Laker pick sure looks good compared to the worthlessness of MCW.  Tough week for the Hinkie haters.

Can I make a bold prediction here?

The pick won't be top 5. My guess is it'll be around the 7-10 range. I think the Lakers are gonna be pretty good this year, at least compared to the expectations that they'll suck.

Still, props to Hinkie for getting that pick.

Sure... with D'Angelo Russell showing flashes of superstardom (he had 31 points and 11 assists on like 11-13 shooting the other night), it's always possible the Lakers keep their pick this year and Philly gets a pick in the 20-30 range next year.  Even so, it's better return than Tony Snell... and doing such a move helped them land Ben Simmons - a phenom with superstar potential.  So everything's comin up Hinkie. 

Don't blame folks here for being a little salty given how much they've emotionally invested into prematurely declaring the process a failure.  Starting to look more and more like Philly will have the last laugh.

i don't think that many people are hinkie haters


I also don't think many people think the sixers plan will fail completely


I DO feel that many people think the "process" is disrespectful to the fans and the sport, and therefore tough to swallow


Tanking for soooo many years it tough to take


Having said that, philly was such a classic treadmill team before tanking. So i get why they needed to tank epically

Also, it's not like it's hard to do. If you have the "okay" from the owner, all you have to do is field the youngest and least talented team you can, initially, while getting rid of any bad contracts


I'm looking forward to another sixers/celtics rivalry

yeah it's not "sooo many years".  Itty bitty drop in the bucket really.  The wolves and kings haven't made the playoffs in over a decade.  What's a handful of years of tanking in the grand scheme of things?  Boston was a treadmill team as well until Ainge took over.  In Ainge's 4th season, the team tanked to a bottom 2 record.   Then suddenly it didn't matter.  Nobody cared about the two decades of treadmill basketball and the tanking.  Winning cures all.  Philly might still fail, but they are on pace to have a special team if their superstar prospects develop over the next few years.   Philly may indeed have the last laugh and that clearly drives the premature "Philly's failed" celebrators cray cray.

drop in the bucket? We don't know that just yet


They're not done tanking

wolves haven't made the playoffs in 12 years.  What's 3-6 years of tanking by comparison? If assets like that laker pick they received when selling high on MCW prove to he fruitful, the years of relevance that follows will far outweigh the brief period of intentional tanking.

[fantankerous]

How the hell did a Chicago-Milwaukee trade thread devolve into another Philadelphia/Hinkie thread?

Can whoever is doing this please refrain from changing the subject in so many threads to Philly and Hinkie and The Plan? Its gotten really OLD this summer.

Its pretty easy to see who started this one:

Hard to believe that MCW went from being ROY to being traded for Tony Snell

and yet hinkie got flack for trading him.  They still have the top 3 protected laker pick. Could end up much better than MCW.

It's baffling how certain people's sole motivation is to alienate and annoy other members with their insufferable antics. That unbearable behavior says more about them and what they seem to lack in their lives, than it does about the people those nonsensical verbose posts attempt to irritate.

It's time you take your own advice.

[tazzmaniac]

MCW is apparently the first ROY to be traded twice before their 5th season in the modern era.  The 2013 draft was a weird draft.  No stars at the top but quite a bit of talent throughout the 1st round. 

[HomerSapien]

Does anyone have any theories on how what Chicago is thinking here? Does it mean they think Dimwiddie and Jerian Grant can't handle their jobs? I really don't get it.