Stein: Bucks and Bulls nearing MCW for Snell trade

[alldaboston]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

the Dallas number is based on just 54 attempts though.

i will agree, however, on the Kings stat. thats a good percentage, on 170 shots from deep. over 2 attempts a game.

But then again he's not going to be playing primarily next to Wade, Rondo, and Butler. He's going to be playing next to Isiah Canaan most likely.

Canaan is a very capable 3 point shooter. He made 176 for the 6ers last year and just dropped this performance the other day against Milwaukee.

https://youtu.be/zSXLsdkatZc

jeez, if there's one thing the Bulls front office deserves credit for, it's how they're able to find quality backup point guards who play pretty [dang] well as a Bull.

I mean, who doesnt remember the amazing Nate Robinson games when he was a bull? DJ augustin was also pretty solid, Aaron Brooks wasnt half bad, and now isaiah canaan.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Agreed.
Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

the Dallas number is based on just 54 attempts though.

i will agree, however, on the Kings stat. thats a good percentage, on 170 shots from deep. over 2 attempts a game.

But then again he's not going to be playing primarily next to Wade, Rondo, and Butler. He's going to be playing next to Isiah Canaan most likely.

Canaan is a very capable 3 point shooter. He made 176 for the 6ers last year and just dropped this performance the other day against Milwaukee.

https://youtu.be/zSXLsdkatZc

jeez, if there's one thing the Bulls front office deserves credit for, it's how they're able to find quality backup point guards who play pretty [dang] well as a Bull.

I mean, who doesnt remember the amazing Nate Robinson games when he was a bull? DJ augustin was also pretty solid, Aaron Brooks wasnt half bad, and now isaiah canaan.

Yeah, they've done well with back-up PGs.  Nate honestly did play really well for them in that plyaoff run.   No idea what their bigger picture plan is now -- not seeing it -- but they should be entertaining this year, too.

[trickybilly]

I will be prepared to eat a truckload full of humble pie if Chicago make the playoffs.

[Moranis]

Chicago will definitely be in the playoff hunt, not sure they make it, but they will be in the hunt at the end barring major injuries (I'd expect Wade for example to miss 15 or so games). 

[jayk009]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

[tazzmaniac]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career. 

[Moranis]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo. 

[PhoSita]

I hate that Bulls roster so much.

What a waste of robin Lopez, Nikola Mirotic, Taj Gibson, and Jimmy Butler. I enjoy watching those guys. Not so much this year.

[tazzmaniac]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.

The league average last season for all 3s was 35.4%.  We only had two players (Olynyk, Jerebko) shoot better than Rondo excluding Coty Clarke (who?, I must have taken a nap and missed his 3 games).  Our overall team average was just 33.5% which admittedly says more about how bad we were.   Or more specifically how bad Smart was since he was by far the biggest drag pulling down the team average. 

[Moranis]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.

The league average last season for all 3s was 35.4%.  We only had two players (Olynyk, Jerebko) shoot better than Rondo excluding Coty Clarke (who?, I must have taken a nap and missed his 3 games).  Our overall team average was just 33.5% which admittedly says more about how bad we were.   Or more specifically how bad Smart was since he was by far the biggest drag pulling down the team average.

Taking position out of the equation, I don't consider 2% better than league average good.  I consider that slightly better than average, which is respectable.  I mean the league average for FT% was 75.7% I wouldn't consider a 78% free throw shooter good either (again taking position out of it). 

[guava_wrench]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.

37% is definitely good. Do you consider a FG% of 50% good? Well, 37% from 3 is more points per shot than 50% from 2.

It doesn't matter how we call it. The numbers are what matter.

[guava_wrench]

Hinkie definitely got flak on this board for trading MCW for a future pick.  It isn't that hard to find one of the 50 Sixers threads on here to confirm that.

Hinkie got flack because it was yet another player dumped and it meant pushing "the process" even further out.

On the other hand, from a player evaluation perspective, I feel like most people on here didn't think MCW was very good and felt the move did make sense.

[guava_wrench]

At the end of the day I just agree with larbrd. Hinkies legacy is approaching theo Epstein levels at this point

LOL why?  Epstein won championships.  Too rich.

Larbrd alternate account?

Seriously.

It's not just about getting talented young players.  You have to build a team at some point.  The Sixers are four years into their rebuild, and still don't have a cohesive team.  They're going to try to trade Noel, but what if they can't?  His rookie contract is up.  Do they resign him to a max deal so as to not lose an asset, even if he doesn't fit? If they do, what do they do with Embiid, who can hit free agency in 2018?

Yes, Hinkie may have done a decent job of acquiring "assets."  But he couldn't figure out what to do with them, and he burnt a ton of bridges along the way. 

The Celtics and Sixers started their rebuilds the same day.  The Celtics won more games last year than Philly has won in three seasons combined.  Theo Epstein he is not.

The rookie deals running down is the biggest problem for their process. Especially the first ones whose rookie deals will expire after being a laughingstock for 4 years.

[Moranis]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.

37% is definitely good. Do you consider a FG% of 50% good? Well, 37% from 3 is more points per shot than 50% from 2.

It doesn't matter how we call it. The numbers are what matter.

league average was 49.1% from 2, so no 50% wouldn't be good, it would be slightly above average.  Now again that is taking position out of it, 50% from 2 is likely good for a guard and might even be poor for a center, but I haven't looked at those numbers.

Let's put it this 44 PG's qualified for 3 point shooting last year.  Rondo ranked 19th, which is slightly better than the middle.  That is not a good 3 point shooter that is an above average 3 point shooter for his position (at least of those with enough attempts to qualify).  6 players (with rounding) were at 41% or higher, I would consider them great.  There was a clear percentage drop between Mills at 38.4 and Lillard at 37.5 so that is probably the good to above average division line.  Mills was ranked 15th and Lillard was ranked 16th.  Then you have the above average players which I will draw at 36.2%.  The below average line at 35%.  The poor line 33%.  And the bad/terrible line everyone else.  That seems to be good dividing lines based on number of players and you could probably have a special category for Curry at the top and Smart at the bottom because those guys were so much better or so much worse than everyone else (though Felton and Westbrook were also both under 30% just not as bad as Smart and Bayless clearly separated himself from everyone else except Curry, in fact Bayless was closer to Curry than Calderon was to Bayless).

[GratefulCs]

Michael Carter Williams is probably a better player than Snell but he is a horrible fit next to Rondo, Wade and Butler.

I guess the Bulls are trying to set a new trend by having no 3 point shooters on their perimeter.

Although losing Snell is not a big deal so it doesn't hurt them too much.

Gives the Bucks a useful rotational wing who plays solid D and can hit an occasional 3, they're hoping he becomes the next useful 3 and D guys.

Rondo shot 35.3 3P% with Dallas and 36.5 3P% with the Kings last year.

Are you trying to imply that Rondo is a good 3 point shooter?

The last season and a half he has been a good 3pt shooter.  If he does it again this season, I'd say he would have proven himself.  I think Rondo worked a bit with Dirk's shooting coach so that may be an explanation for the improvement.  Magic Johnson made a similar improvement late in his career.

I wouldn't call 37% good, it is however respectable and a vast improvement for Rondo.

37% is definitely good. Do you consider a FG% of 50% good? Well, 37% from 3 is more points per shot than 50% from 2.

It doesn't matter how we call it. The numbers are what matter.

league average was 49.1% from 2, so no 50% wouldn't be good, it would be slightly above average.  Now again that is taking position out of it, 50% from 2 is likely good for a guard and might even be poor for a center, but I haven't looked at those numbers.

Let's put it this 44 PG's qualified for 3 point shooting last year.  Rondo ranked 19th, which is slightly better than the middle.  That is not a good 3 point shooter that is an above average 3 point shooter for his position (at least of those with enough attempts to qualify).  6 players (with rounding) were at 41% or higher, I would consider them great.  There was a clear percentage drop between Mills at 38.4 and Lillard at 37.5 so that is probably the good to above average division line.  Mills was ranked 15th and Lillard was ranked 16th.  Then you have the above average players which I will draw at 36.2%.  The below average line at 35%.  The poor line 33%.  And the bad/terrible line everyone else.  That seems to be good dividing lines based on number of players and you could probably have a special category for Curry at the top and Smart at the bottom because those guys were so much better or so much worse than everyone else (though Felton and Westbrook were also both under 30% just not as bad as Smart and Bayless clearly separated himself from everyone else except Curry, in fact Bayless was closer to Curry than Calderon was to Bayless).

i mean, we all word things differently, but 37% is good

40% from three is when you normally start talking about the great shooters