Celtics (2-1) at Nets (1-2) Preseason Game #4 10/13/16

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Psst, you do know that big men are expected to shoot more efficiently that wings or guards, right? Especially when big men are often finishers of plays created by guards and wings?

That's why comparing Bennet's stats to Brown's is stupid.

[LarBrd33]

Psst, you do know that big men are expected to shoot more efficiently that wings or guards, right? Especially when big men are often finishers of plays created by guards and wings?

That's why comparing Bennet's stats to Brown's is stupid.

Very different types of players.  Nobody is comparing their play styles... especially now.  What we're saying that is if Bennett and Brown were coming out in the same draft, the Cavs still probably take Bennett 1st.

But to your point, no... big men aren't supposed to shoot more efficiently from three.  Bennett shot more efficiently from three in his first preseason.  FWIW.

None of this matters.  Brown has a chance to be much better than Bennett turned out.  We just need to see steady growth out of him.  Bennett never showed improvement or lived up to his potential.

[Granath]

Oh LarBrd33: How much time did you spend looking up the stats of probably the biggest bust in NBA draft history to craft this ridiculous argument and will you ever get that time back?

TP

Took me very little time to discover Jaylen's preseason is on a par with Bennett's first preseason.

It still was a waste of time.

Another stupid argument from someone who seems to relish in making them. Let me know when you bother to do any actual analysis beyond trying to compare raw statistics from 4 preseason games between two players whose games aren't remotely similar.

[footey]

LB--

Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Okafor today?

Would you trade him for Noel?

[clevelandceltic]

The Cavs were stupid to take him then and if he was in the 2016 draft they would be stupid to take him.

Im not seeing where you are finding such glowing reviews of Bennett.

Psst, you do know that big men are expected to shoot more efficiently that wings or guards, right? Especially when big men are often finishers of plays created by guards and wings?

That's why comparing Bennet's stats to Brown's is stupid.

Very different types of players.  Nobody is comparing their play styles... especially now.  What we're saying that is if Bennett and Brown were coming out in the same draft, the Cavs still probably take Bennett 1st.

But to your point, no... big men aren't supposed to shoot more efficiently from three.  Bennett shot more efficiently from three in his first preseason.  FWIW.

None of this matters.  Brown has a chance to be much better than Bennett turned out.  We just need to see steady growth out of him.  Bennett never showed improvement or lived up to his potential.

[LarBrd33]

LB--

Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Okafor today?

Would you trade him for Noel?

No, I wouldn't trade him for Noel for a number of reasons.   Okafor is a more interesting question.  Okafor is likely better right now and I still think it's far more likely that Okafor develops into a star, but giving up the guy we took 3rd for a player whose trade value is at rock bottom would be tough to stomach right now.   The homer in me believes Jaylen will succeed.  I'm all-in on Jaylen.  I want to believe he can be a special player on both ends of the court.  He's got tools and unlike Bennett I think he has the mentality, surrounding talent, and system to turn his tools into success.  In 5 years, I could see him as a better version of Jimmy Butler.

I'm all for acquiring Okafor, but I'd prefer acquiring him for some of the silly lowball propositions I see floated on fan forums.
       
This week, both foxsports and espn listed Jaylen Brown as one of the most likely players to be traded this season.  It makes sense.  Boston is still looking for a superstar... and if a team like the Kings does finally decide they are ready to part with Cousins, guys like Jaylen will be the obvious prospects needed to be included in package sent out.  Who knows if Philly would even taken Brown straight up for Okafor.  Maybe not.  But even if we assumed Okafor was our best option in a Jaylen Brown trade, I can see the logic in holding out until the deadline to see if a real established star becomes available instead.  There's still question marks about Okafor.  Don't want to blow our greatest trade chip on someone who isn't a sure thing and then see a guy like Blake Griffin, Butler, or Westbrook become available at the deadline - but not have our greatest trade chip anymore to offer.

[LarBrd33]

Im not seeing where you are finding such glowing reviews of Bennett.

Well clevelandceltic... just a reminder that your people took Bennett 1st in an NBA draft.  That's all the glowing reviews you need.  At least one team thought he was the best option.  Similar with Brown this year... most expected him to go 8th, but he was taken all the way at 3rd, because one team thought he was the best option.

The gamble didn't work out for Cleveland.  Hopefully Boston's gamble pays off for them.

[clevelandceltic]

No my people didnt take Bennett. The Cavs took Bennett. I want to make that clear. Secondly, yes it only takes one team but that doesnt mean there was a glow about Bennett that you claim. The guy had been hurt his lat two years. He wasnt top 5 in his class. Jaylen had more question marks on him based upon college which most people only saw limited games of his. Bennett had question marks about the most basic thing his health starting his senior year in HS.

Maybe I live in a bubble but I dont see the tools comparison. If anything his skills would lead me to believe he could have been a slightly better Dancing Bear

Im not seeing where you are finding such glowing reviews of Bennett.

Well clevelandceltic... just a reminder that your people took Bennett 1st in an NBA draft.  That's all the glowing reviews you need.  At least one team thought he was the best option.  Similar with Brown this year... most expected him to go 8th, but he was taken all the way at 3rd, because one team thought he was the best option.

The gamble didn't work out for Cleveland.  Hopefully Boston's gamble pays off for them.

[clevelandceltic]

And that's a ridiculous comment to say well someone rated him that highly. Well yeah but that's not what we are talking about. You said Brown is a similar level prospect which most people disagree with.

Im not seeing where you are finding such glowing reviews of Bennett.

Well clevelandceltic... just a reminder that your people took Bennett 1st in an NBA draft.  That's all the glowing reviews you need.  At least one team thought he was the best option.  Similar with Brown this year... most expected him to go 8th, but he was taken all the way at 3rd, because one team thought he was the best option.

The gamble didn't work out for Cleveland.  Hopefully Boston's gamble pays off for them.

[LarBrd33]

And that's a ridiculous comment to say well someone rated him that highly. Well yeah but that's not what we are talking about. You said Brown is a similar level prospect which most people disagree with.

I'm not concerned with what most people here agree with.  The mob has been wrong far too often.  Homerism inherently spawns inaccurate opinions.  It goes with the turf.

Just to clarify, nobody is saying Bennett and Brown are similar types of players.  Nobody is saying Bennett was a similar type of prospect when he came out.  Very different tools.  Very different play style.   We're talking about the fact Bennett was taken at the top of a weak draft.  We're talking about the fact that Bennett was taken 1st for mildly defensible reasons.  We're talking about Bennett being drafted 1st because one team thought he had enough potential to justify taking him 1st.  We're talking about Brown going 3rd in what was called a 2-player draft.  We're talking about the fact Brown was taken 3rd for mildly defensible reasons.   We're talking about Brown being drafted 3rd because one team thought he had enough potential to justify taking him 3rd.  Both selections received similar reactions. 

Cavs fans:



Celtics fans:




Both called a reach.


How these guys were seen on their respective draft days is one thing.  Obviously, Brown can shake the comparison quickly by succeeding in his rookie season where Bennett failed.  But in the interest of honestly, it's fair to point out Brown's preseason has been similar to Bennett's first preseason.  It wasn't until the regular season that Bennett fell apart.  Here's hoping Brown doesn't have the same issue.  It's unlikely given that Brown isn't injured, isn't struggling with weigh issues, isn't struggling with motivation problems, and isn't playing on a dumpster-fire Cavs team with garbage coaches.    The path for Brown's success is a lot cleaner than the one Bennett had. 

[footey]

LB--

Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Okafor today?

Would you trade him for Noel?

No, I wouldn't trade him for Noel for a number of reasons.   Okafor is a more interesting question.  Okafor is likely better right now and I still think it's far more likely that Okafor develops into a star, but giving up the guy we took 3rd for a player whose trade value is at rock bottom would be tough to stomach right now.   The homer in me believes Jaylen will succeed.  I'm all-in on Jaylen.  I want to believe he can be a special player on both ends of the court.  He's got tools and unlike Bennett I think he has the mentality, surrounding talent, and system to turn his tools into success.  In 5 years, I could see him as a better version of Jimmy Butler.

I'm all for acquiring Okafor, but I'd prefer acquiring him for some of the silly lowball propositions I see floated on fan forums.
       
This week, both foxsports and espn listed Jaylen Brown as one of the most likely players to be traded this season.  It makes sense.  Boston is still looking for a superstar... and if a team like the Kings does finally decide they are ready to part with Cousins, guys like Jaylen will be the obvious prospects needed to be included in package sent out.  Who knows if Philly would even taken Brown straight up for Okafor.  Maybe not.  But even if we assumed Okafor was our best option in a Jaylen Brown trade, I can see the logic in holding out until the deadline to see if a real established star becomes available instead.  There's still question marks about Okafor.  Don't want to blow our greatest trade chip on someone who isn't a sure thing and then see a guy like Blake Griffin, Butler, or Westbrook become available at the deadline - but not have our greatest trade chip anymore to offer.

Too early to think of trading JB. Unless your GM is Rick Pitino. Danny is smarter than that, certainly smarter than the pretend GMs on ESPN.

[LarBrd33]

LB--

Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Okafor today?

Would you trade him for Noel?

No, I wouldn't trade him for Noel for a number of reasons.   Okafor is a more interesting question.  Okafor is likely better right now and I still think it's far more likely that Okafor develops into a star, but giving up the guy we took 3rd for a player whose trade value is at rock bottom would be tough to stomach right now.   The homer in me believes Jaylen will succeed.  I'm all-in on Jaylen.  I want to believe he can be a special player on both ends of the court.  He's got tools and unlike Bennett I think he has the mentality, surrounding talent, and system to turn his tools into success.  In 5 years, I could see him as a better version of Jimmy Butler.

I'm all for acquiring Okafor, but I'd prefer acquiring him for some of the silly lowball propositions I see floated on fan forums.
       
This week, both foxsports and espn listed Jaylen Brown as one of the most likely players to be traded this season.  It makes sense.  Boston is still looking for a superstar... and if a team like the Kings does finally decide they are ready to part with Cousins, guys like Jaylen will be the obvious prospects needed to be included in package sent out.  Who knows if Philly would even taken Brown straight up for Okafor.  Maybe not.  But even if we assumed Okafor was our best option in a Jaylen Brown trade, I can see the logic in holding out until the deadline to see if a real established star becomes available instead.  There's still question marks about Okafor.  Don't want to blow our greatest trade chip on someone who isn't a sure thing and then see a guy like Blake Griffin, Butler, or Westbrook become available at the deadline - but not have our greatest trade chip anymore to offer.

Too early to think of trading JB. Unless your GM is Rick Pitino. Danny is smarter than that, certainly smarter than the pretend GMs on ESPN.

I'd say he's definitely on the table if a star becomes available.  Trading for Okafor might be appealing, but I get the logic in holding out for a guy like Cousins or some other mystery candidate that might suddenly hit the market.  Again, you don't want to move your greatest trade asset and then see a guy like James Harden become available. 

Boston is in a great position right now.  They should win 55+ this season and threaten for the ECF.  They can have patience and see if Jaylen develops quicker than expected.  They can afford to wait out for a perfect opportunity.  As someone speculated yesterday, if a guy like Anthony Davis becomes available (seems super unlikely), you'll want to have every bit of trade ammo available to you. 

ESPN and Foxsports both suggested that Jaylen was one of the most likely players to be traded in this year and speculated that a guy like Jimmy Butler still might become available.  We'll see.

[Eddie20]

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[LarBrd33]

"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty."

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[jpotter33]

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