Celtics (2-1) at Nets (1-2) Preseason Game #4 10/13/16

[Snakehead]

Oh LarBrd33: How much time did you spend looking up the stats of probably the biggest bust in NBA draft history to craft this ridiculous argument and will you ever get that time back?

[snively]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

Brown's lack of a weight problem should help with that. That and Bennett just wasn't as explosive as his college mixtape suggested.

But I share your lowered expectations for Brown's rookie year. When KO gets back and the rotation tightens for the regular season, chances are he's going to be seeing minutes at the 3 against shortened rotations for the opponent. That means less match-ups with the likes of Scola and Bennett, and less space to maneuver with quicker wing defenders daring him to shoot and then attacking his dribble when he looks to drive.

Unless we can find ways to feature him at the 4 (and accept the beating on the boards and in the paint that might come with that), I think his offensive life is going to become much more difficult in the RS.

[LarBrd33]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

Brown's lack of a weight problem should help with that. That and Bennett just wasn't as explosive as his college mixtape suggested.

But I share your lowered expectations for Brown's rookie year. When KO gets back and the rotation tightens for the regular season, chances are he's going to be seeing minutes at the 3 against shortened rotations for the opponent. That means less match-ups with the likes of Scola and Bennett, and less space to maneuver with quicker wing defenders daring him to shoot and then attacking his dribble when he looks to drive.

Unless we can find ways to feature him at the 4 (and accept the beating on the boards and in the paint that might come with that), I think his offensive life is going to become much more difficult in the RS.

I agree, Bennett's weight problems and eventually his shattered confidence stunted his development.  Also, you just can't really predict how a guy with "tools" will pan out.   Brown is a guy with "tools" and we're all hopeful he will put them together into a real player, but it doesn't always work out.  Bennett is a great example of that.  He was seen as an identical level prospect as Brown when he came out and made a similar level impact in preseason - then he fell apart.   Gerald Green is actually a decent example of that as well.  He had some intriguing tools, failed to put it all together, ended up out of the NBA for a while until fighting his way back into the league as a role player.  The reason I'm optimistic about Brown is that he seems to be an intelligent guy with a workers mentality and at the moment seems to have a lot of confidence.  He's also got some great players surrounding him, an excellent system from top to bottom, and a great coaching staff.   If he had been drafted by the Kings, I wouldn't have nearly the same level of hope he'd develop into a great player.   He's fortunate he's in Boston.

[BlackCeltic]

Oh LarBrd33: How much time did you spend looking up the stats of probably the biggest bust in NBA draft history to craft this ridiculous argument and will you ever get that time back?

TP

[A Future of Stevens]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

The good news:  This Celtic team is a FAR better environment than that Cavs team Bennett was drafted into.  Brown will have every opportunity to succeed as he practices against legitimate NBA professionals and learns from an outstanding coaching staff in a winning atmosphere.

Hey Lar, honest question here. Where are you finding the preseason stats for a player? I tried googling JB preseason stats and immediately gave up due to lack of results. Are you calculating them by hand (aka going through each game?) Honestly curious if you have a site for that. Thanks buddy.

[snively]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

Brown's lack of a weight problem should help with that. That and Bennett just wasn't as explosive as his college mixtape suggested.

But I share your lowered expectations for Brown's rookie year. When KO gets back and the rotation tightens for the regular season, chances are he's going to be seeing minutes at the 3 against shortened rotations for the opponent. That means less match-ups with the likes of Scola and Bennett, and less space to maneuver with quicker wing defenders daring him to shoot and then attacking his dribble when he looks to drive.

Unless we can find ways to feature him at the 4 (and accept the beating on the boards and in the paint that might come with that), I think his offensive life is going to become much more difficult in the RS.

I agree, Bennett's weight problems and eventually his shattered confidence stunted his development.  Also, you just can't really predict how a guy with "tools" will pan out.   Brown is a guy with "tools" and we're all hopeful he will put them together into a real player, but it doesn't always work out.  Bennett is a great example of that.  He was seen as an identical level prospect as Brown when he came out and made a similar level impact in preseason - then he fell apart.   Gerald Green is actually a decent example of that as well.  He had some intriguing tools, failed to put it all together, ended up out of the NBA for a while until fighting his way back into the league as a role player.  The reason I'm optimistic about Brown is that he seems to be an intelligent guy with a workers mentality and at the moment seems to have a lot of confidence.  He's also got some great players surrounding him, an excellent system from top to bottom, and a great coaching staff.   If he had been drafted by the Kings, I wouldn't have nearly the same level of hope he'd develop into a great player.   He's fortunate he's in Boston.

Brown's explosiveness with the ball will make it hard for him to screw up as royally as Bennett and Green did early. Those guys collapsed even with loads of opportunities because they could operate on a team OR individual level successfully. Gerald had to become Eddie House with hops to make it back in the league.

I think the danger with Brown is that he taps out as an excellent pure slasher while remaining mediocre and undisciplined in the rest of his game.  This is what happened with Corey Maggette (who actually had a pretty excellent rookie year for COTY Doc in Orlando).

[thirstyboots18]

I was also on the phone with Bright House here in Clearwater, Fl.  No luck, no game...after we had seen it advertised on ppl.  Bummer.

[LarBrd33]

Oh LarBrd33: How much time did you spend looking up the stats of probably the biggest bust in NBA draft history to craft this ridiculous argument and will you ever get that time back?

TP

Took me very little time to discover Jaylen's preseason is on a par with Bennett's first preseason. 

[LarBrd33]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

The good news:  This Celtic team is a FAR better environment than that Cavs team Bennett was drafted into.  Brown will have every opportunity to succeed as he practices against legitimate NBA professionals and learns from an outstanding coaching staff in a winning atmosphere.

Hey Lar, honest question here. Where are you finding the preseason stats for a player? I tried googling JB preseason stats and immediately gave up due to lack of results. Are you calculating them by hand (aka going through each game?) Honestly curious if you have a site for that. Thanks buddy.

i got it from a system that isn't open to the general public but I'm pretty sure you can just pull up preseason stats on NBA.com.  Summer league stats are on realgm player profiles.

[BlackCeltic]

Oh LarBrd33: How much time did you spend looking up the stats of probably the biggest bust in NBA draft history to craft this ridiculous argument and will you ever get that time back?

TP

Took me very little time to discover Jaylen's preseason is on a par with Bennett's first preseason.

Both better preseasons then Ben Simmons and Brandon Ingram are having. That tells us everything, yet nothing at all.

[A Future of Stevens]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

The good news:  This Celtic team is a FAR better environment than that Cavs team Bennett was drafted into.  Brown will have every opportunity to succeed as he practices against legitimate NBA professionals and learns from an outstanding coaching staff in a winning atmosphere.

Hey Lar, honest question here. Where are you finding the preseason stats for a player? I tried googling JB preseason stats and immediately gave up due to lack of results. Are you calculating them by hand (aka going through each game?) Honestly curious if you have a site for that. Thanks buddy.

i got it from a system that isn't open to the general public but I'm pretty sure you can just pull up preseason stats on NBA.com.  Summer league stats are on realgm player profiles.

Woah sounds like some clandestine activities there boss. Lol thanks man. I was always curious where some of these preseason stats come from.

[snively]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

The good news:  This Celtic team is a FAR better environment than that Cavs team Bennett was drafted into.  Brown will have every opportunity to succeed as he practices against legitimate NBA professionals and learns from an outstanding coaching staff in a winning atmosphere.

Hey Lar, honest question here. Where are you finding the preseason stats for a player? I tried googling JB preseason stats and immediately gave up due to lack of results. Are you calculating them by hand (aka going through each game?) Honestly curious if you have a site for that. Thanks buddy.

i got it from a system that isn't open to the general public but I'm pretty sure you can just pull up preseason stats on NBA.com.  Summer league stats are on realgm player profiles.

Woah sounds like some clandestine activities there boss. Lol thanks man. I was always curious where some of these preseason stats come from.

RealGM has preseason stats on their stats page. Nice and easy.

[alldaboston]

Future star Anthony Bennet looked spectacular

Yep, he's showing signs of reaching his greater than Jaylen Brown potential.  I can't decide if I'm more impressed with the 2 points or the 0 assists... nah it's definitely the 1 rebound!

he was seen as about the same level of prospect as brown when he came out.  Brown already looks better than Bennett did that first year, though.

hahaha Brown looks better than he does now.  I'm not sure why you insist on acting like Bennet isn't a complete disaster.  He has "all the tools" though.... as in arms, legs, a brain?

He wasn't selected by Philly you know.  You don't have to defend him.

bennett did and does have "tools".  Scal talked about it on the broadcast.  It's why he might make the nets roster this year and might make some contributions.  I don't blame you for comparing brown to him given that they were seen as identical level prospects when entering the draft.  Both considered reaches taken higher than expected for perceived potential. We will all be fortunate if brown doesn't end up like Bennett though.  So far brown has shown more encouraging signs in preseason than Bennett did... so that's good.

Actually, my bad.  I stand corrected.  I guess it's not entirely fair to Bennett to say that Brown has been dramatically better at the same point in their careers.   

In Bennett's first preseason he averaged 9.4 points 5.3 rebounds with 35% shooting in 21mpg and hit 9 three pointers (36% shooting). 

In Brown's first preseason he's averaging 8.5 points, 3.5 rebounds with 36% shooting in 23mpg and hit 2 three pointers (18% shooting).

I apologize to Anthony Bennett for insulting him like that.

It's a shame we can't compare them on the Summer league level since Bennett missed his first summer league.  He did participate the next year though and averaged 13.3 points, 7.8 rebounds with 42% shooting in 29mpg (25% from three).   Brown averaged 16 points, 6.2 rebounds with with 32% shooting in 29mpg (22% from three).

Anyways, here's hoping Jaylen has a significantly better regular season than Bennett did that rookie year. *GULP*

The good news:  This Celtic team is a FAR better environment than that Cavs team Bennett was drafted into.  Brown will have every opportunity to succeed as he practices against legitimate NBA professionals and learns from an outstanding coaching staff in a winning atmosphere.

Hey Lar, honest question here. Where are you finding the preseason stats for a player? I tried googling JB preseason stats and immediately gave up due to lack of results. Are you calculating them by hand (aka going through each game?) Honestly curious if you have a site for that. Thanks buddy.

i got it from a system that isn't open to the general public but I'm pretty sure you can just pull up preseason stats on NBA.com.  Summer league stats are on realgm player profiles.

Synergy?

[A Future of Stevens]

If preseason stats are god, then Dunn will be the worst bust ever at 18.5% fg and 14.3% 3pt in the same minutes as Jaylen. Or Ingram who would kill to have Jaylens finishing rate.

[clevelandceltic]

I have to call BS on this Bennett comparison. Bennett was a very good player in HS but was hurt most if not all of his senior year at Finley Prep. He was a senior the same year as Shabaz Mohammed. They actually played each other in HS and Bennett didnt play in the game and Finley still won handily behind Brandon Ashley and Trazecski (the big that went to AZ). At that point h was considered an undersized PF that at best would be a Larry Johnson type.

He goes to UNLV and promptly gets hurt again. So there was very little tape on him for the 2 years prior to him being picked not to mention we are talking about a guy who was on the very back end of the top 10 of his recruiting class which when you looked at it at the time was very good.

Now lets take Brown who was a top 5 player in his class both his junior and senior years in HS. The kid played USA basketball for 2 years and played in all the major tourneys. There was plenty of tap on this kid prior to college.

Now if you just based their projections on what they did in college you might get the impression that they had similar upside but thats only if you watched their college games.  I have seen Jaylen in HS and all but about 3 of his games last year and I can tell you what you are seeing now is not what you saw at Cal but you did in HS and Im talking mainly about his passing. The pass that he made last night is similar to those that he made in HS but never at Cal.

If you think they were similar prospects ok but I would never have put the two in the same sentence because Jaylen has the ability to be a very good two way player that can be a playmaker. What were people saying about Bennett?