did sully betray ainge,brad,teammates and fans

[rollie mass]

all that pre season with its claims and snaps and the john lucas treatment and to come back the same weight or more
sully had a great season TILL it counted the most and completely tailed off
he was drafted with injury concern,he did have surgery and he is skilled
sully went to toronto did he give ainge a chance to keep him or did he jump at the deal to join a winner and bostons direct competition
the team will miss sully with his rebounding and ability against big centers
if sully gets in shape for montreal but not for us-good for him and shame on him

[BudweiserCeltic]

all that pre season with its claims and snaps and the john lucas treatment and to come back the same weight or more
sully had a great season TILL it counted the most and completely tailed off
he was drafted with injury concern,he did have surgery and he is skilled
sully went to toronto did he give ainge a chance to keep him or did he jump at the deal to join a winner and bostons direct competition
the team will miss sully with his rebounding and ability against big centers
if sully gets in shape for montreal but not for us-good for him and shame on him

Not sure what you're calling betrayal through all of this, but a few things to mention:

1. He did get in much better shape from the previous season, just not to the point where we wanted him.

2. He did get heavier as the season went along though.

3. He finally had a full season under his belt, which was a nice accomplishment.

4. His final months weren't any different than much of the rest of the season, except for that very hot start and the excellent February.

5. When it counted, we were playing Atlanta, a team he's never matched up well against. So who knows. The previous season he played well for us in the playoffs, while incredibly rusty and healing injuries. Who knows.

6. He left Boston because Ainge and him didn't agree on a contract that was worthwhile for him. Ainge didn't want long term commitment, Sully wasn't going to limit his options on short change, and Ainge wasn't interested in keeping him on a 1-year deal that would've meant a no-trade clause, particularly given how much of a roster jam (roster spots available vs. all the players we have rights to) we have.

So, in the end... not really. Sucked that he never managed to get in shape for us, nice attempt last year, but it didn't materialize to the level we wanted. But contract wise, nothing to see there on that regard.

Moving on.

[rollie mass]

betrayal--the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract,trust or confidence that produces moral  psychological conflict in a relationship
i believe there was a relationship with his team and fans including ainge and brad
i felt decieved by all the flattering snaps and i have reasonable expectations that players will give their best
i believe that ainge was undermined and unable to give sully what he wanted
the boston team that gave so much last year had reasonable expectations that
sully would not put on weight during season
the celts drafted him despite injury concerns, supported him through his operation and gave him a platform to perform
as a fan i was upset he took a 1 year with someone else but us-but the confidence  and trust had been broken


not being avaliable for playoffs with kelly and crowder and avery injured and sully has nothing to give-everytime he plays i'll be reminded of atlanta rather than his diving for a loose ball and passing it lying down to the corner for a last second three-every one of his fans will be torn while playing toronto
-again BETRAYAL is a breaking or violating of a presumptive contract,trust or confidence that
produces moral or psycological conflict

[BudweiserCeltic]

betrayal--the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract,trust or confidence that produces moral  psychological conflict in a relationship
i believe there was a relationship with his team and fans including ainge and brad
i felt decieved by all the flattering snaps and i have reasonable expectations that players will give their best
i believe that ainge was undermined and unable to give sully what he wanted
the boston team that gave so much last year had reasonable expectations that
sully would not put on weight during season
the celts drafted him despite injury concerns, supported him through his operation and gave him a platform to perform
as a fan i was upset he took a 1 year with someone else but us-but the confidence  and trust had been broken

All the rhetoric aside, I'll just mention that it would be wrong to assume that Ainge had interest in a 1 year deal. As I mentioned, doing so would activate a no trade clause. Ainge wasn't going to tie his hands.

[Celtics4ever]

Sullinger betrayed himself giving in to aold habits.

1)   He came into camp in better shape but he still had a long ways to go to being in good shape but it was a marked improvement.

2)   He declined during the season, as it took a toll on his body.   He played bad well before the playoffs.  Take a look here his stats were not as good following 3/21/16.   He had a few good games after that but a pattern can be noticed.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger

3)   To think that he would intentionally do this is not feasible.   He hurt his earnings and was not a top free agent prospect.  Right up to the end, he wanted to be a Celtic.  Then we got the tweet indicating that he would not be resigned.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/what-does-jared-sullingers-change-coming-tweet-mean

4)   I would argue that he is a skilled rebounder and passer, he is not a skilled shooter.   His conditioning and health have been issues for him from the get go because of the extra weight.

5) His attitude never really struck as the Celtic attitude.  He took plays off, shot bad shots, some of the this time his talent over came that as he was a solid rebounder.  Other times it did not, to me the most annoying thing is when he did not think it was necessary to run the court or rotate to stop penetration.   So in that sense, he betrayed his team mates all the time, but last year he played harder until his body gave up on him.

6)   I think given his history it is extremely unlikely that he gets in shape in Toronto.  When a guy gains weight during the season to the point of hurting his career I think we can say with confidence that he might have a clinical eating disorder.  Probably this one:

Binge Eating Disorder
Binge eating disorder was approved for inclusion in DSM-5 as its own category of eating disorder. In DSM-IV, binge-eating disorder was not recognized as a disorder but rather described in Appendix B: Criteria Sets and Axes Provided for Further Study and was diagnosable using only the catch-all category of “eating disorder not otherwise specified.”
Binge eating disorder is defined as recurring episodes of eating significantly more food in a short period of time than most people would eat under similar circumstances, with episodes marked by feelings of lack of control. Someone with binge eating disorder may eat too quickly, even when he or she is not hungry. The person may have feelings of guilt, embarrassment, or disgust and may binge eat alone to hide the behavior. This disorder is associated with marked distress and occurs, on average, at least once a week over three months.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/eating%20disorders%20fact%20sheet.pdf

I personally hope he turns it around.  It would be tragic and his career will not last if he does not.  Taking care of your body is part of being a professional athlete, I am glad Ainge closed the door, it was time, this advanced to the point where he was unreliable year after year.  Perhaps, a change will wake him up.   

[fubar089]

He betrayed himself. Guy has a food addiction, its that simple. There's no reason for someone with all those resources and money to not lose weight.

[pearljammer10]

Betrayed? We had to have to wanted him back in order for it to become betrayal.

[colincb]

It's a game. He's a player who didn't pan out because he lacked discipline.

[Csfan1984]

I feel he failed himself and everyone who has believed in him.

[rollie mass]

betrayal--the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract,trust or confidence that produces moral  psychological conflict in a relationship
i believe there was a relationship with his team and fans including ainge and brad
i felt decieved by all the flattering snaps and i have reasonable expectations that players will give their best
i believe that ainge was undermined and unable to give sully what he wanted
the boston team that gave so much last year had reasonable expectations that
sully would not put on weight during season
the celts drafted him despite injury concerns, supported him through his operation and gave him a platform to perform
as a fan i was upset he took a 1 year with someone else but us-but the confidence  and trust had been broken


not being avaliable for playoffs with kelly and crowder and avery injured and sully has nothing to give-everytime he plays i'll be reminded of atlanta rather than his diving for a loose ball and passing it lying down to the corner for a last second three-every one of his fans will be torn while playing toronto
-again BETRAYAL is a breaking or violating of a presumptive contract,trust or confidence that
produces moral or psycological conflict

[Rick Robeys Return]

Betrayed? We had to have to wanted him back in order for it to become betrayal.

THIS^^^^^^

[alldaboston]

Betrayed? We had to have to wanted him back in order for it to become betrayal.

THIS^^^^^^

well, we would have wanted him back if he was in shape and hadnt "betrayed " us, to use the same word rollie is using.

[SHAQATTACK]

YES !

He took all the buy one get one free Dairy Queen coupons with him when he left.

[Rick Robeys Return]

Betrayed? We had to have to wanted him back in order for it to become betrayal.

THIS^^^^^^

well, we would have wanted him back if he was in shape and hadnt "betrayed " us, to use the same word rollie is using.

I find this moralizing both not very analytically useful, but also interesting.

A basketball decision was made during Sully's restricted free agency that the team was essentially ready to let him go. This happens all of the time in team sports. If the team had bet on a player, developing a better 3 point shot, or gaining a better handle, or being more consistent defender, and then lost that bet, would that amount to "betrayal" by the player upon whom the team bet? The player who failed to develop his shot, gain a handle, or become a better defender? Of course not.

So how is this different? Because it was about his weight? That those who are unable to control their weight have a moral failing and are therefore "betrayers"? Unlike those who fail in other ways?  I think this is facile, but speaks to how we view body shape or fitness uniquely as a moral attribute, different in kind from the ability to develop skill as a shooter, defender etc...

[86MaxwellSmart]

He always seemed to be sort of a jerk...Good riddance.