Words from Jaylen's Off-Season Trainer

[celticsclay]

Bennett and brown have about as much In common as Dan dickau and Ralph Sampson. Larbrd gonna larbrd.

[LarBrd33]

Bennett and brown have about as much In common as Dan dickau and Ralph Sampson. Larbrd gonna larbrd.

Ralph Sampson was a Tier 1 prospect.  Dan Dickau was like Tier 6 at best. 

Brown is a comparable level prospect to Bennett 3 years ago.  That doesn't mean he's going to end up like Bennett in 3 years... it just means they were both raw prospects that projected as non-stars and were taken higher than expected because of a weak draft pool and their perceived ceilings being higher than the other perceived weak options available.

Per usual, I'm right on this one... not going to sweat the typical rabblerousing that follows.

[Granath]

Bennett and brown have about as much In common as Dan dickau and Ralph Sampson. Larbrd gonna larbrd.

Ralph Sampson was a Tier 1 prospect.  Dan Dickau was like Tier 6 at best. 

Brown is a comparable level prospect to Bennett 3 years ago.  That doesn't mean he's going to end up like Bennett in 3 years... it just means they were both raw prospects that projected as non-stars and were taken higher than expected because of a weak draft pool and their perceived ceilings being higher than the other perceived weak options available.

Per usual, I'm right on this one... not going to sweat the typical rabblerousing that follows.

Lar, no one gives a rat's butthole that Brown and Bennett were in some same Chad Ford "tier" in different drafts. It's absolutely meaningless. Not one person cares that Steven Adams was in the same tier as Furkan Korkmaz or Ben McLemore is in the same tier as Jamal Murray. Well, no one seems to care but you.

No one is arguing that you're wrong that they're not in the same Ford Tier. We're just arguing that the comparisons are so vague as to be useless. If your entire standard is "athletic guys drafted for their potential", that applies to every single Freshman and Sophomore player drafted in the last 10 years.

So you don't have sweat the rabble-rousing but frankly no one gives a [dang] because your assertions are inane. I could care less how Chad Ford has prospects ranked. What I care about are their games, their pedigree, their potential, their mindset, their work ethic and their team fit. In those criteria there's not a darn thing between Bennett and Brown that's similar.

[Celtics18]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

[GratefulCs]

Bennett and brown have about as much In common as Dan dickau and Ralph Sampson. Larbrd gonna larbrd.

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Per usual, I'm right on this one

you're a real treasure

[Csfan1984]

That's an absolute joke LarBrd33. They are not comparable Period. One guy was consider the best prospect in the nation at one point. Bennet was never that. Don't waste anyone's reading time.

"Considered the best prospect in the nation" vs "literally being taken 1st in the amateur draft"... toss-up. 

To clarify, I'm not saying they are similar players.  I'm saying they are similar level prospects who were drafted high (possibly too high) for similar reasons (perceived ceiling) in spite of their lack of NBA-ready talent.  Clearly, after three years of failing, Bennett is not seen as anywhere near the level of prospect he was in 2013.  But if we're comparing Jaylen vs Bennett when both were entering the league, it's a coin flip which one the Cavs take 1st.

But see that last point dismisses the first point. Bennett was a coin flip while Brown was not. Bennett was never mocked one and was a surprise pick. Brown was hyped since high school and dominated camps going top three was predicted. Brown has an NBA body and projects to play two positions effectively. Bennett didn't have a position. They aren't a toss up.

[celticsclay]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

[Celtics18]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.

[LarBrd33]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.

first of all, don't ever accuse me of having integrity.  Second of all, it goes without saying (despite the fact I've said it a zillion times) that players can obviously exceed expectations or fall short of expectations.  Clay knows this.  You know this.  Everyone knows this. We all hope Jaylen going into an ideal developmental environment will allow him to exceed expectations.  He's at the same starting point Anthony Bennett was at three years ago - that doesn't mean he will end up like Anthony Bennett. 

[LarBrd33]

Bennett and brown have about as much In common as Dan dickau and Ralph Sampson. Larbrd gonna larbrd.

Ralph Sampson was a Tier 1 prospect.  Dan Dickau was like Tier 6 at best. 

Brown is a comparable level prospect to Bennett 3 years ago.  That doesn't mean he's going to end up like Bennett in 3 years... it just means they were both raw prospects that projected as non-stars and were taken higher than expected because of a weak draft pool and their perceived ceilings being higher than the other perceived weak options available.

Per usual, I'm right on this one... not going to sweat the typical rabblerousing that follows.

Lar, no one gives a rat's butthole that Brown and Bennett were in some same Chad Ford "tier" in different drafts. It's absolutely meaningless. Not one person cares that Steven Adams was in the same tier as Furkan Korkmaz or Ben McLemore is in the same tier as Jamal Murray. Well, no one seems to care but you.

No one is arguing that you're wrong that they're not in the same Ford Tier. We're just arguing that the comparisons are so vague as to be useless. If your entire standard is "athletic guys drafted for their potential", that applies to every single Freshman and Sophomore player drafted in the last 10 years.

So you don't have sweat the rabble-rousing but frankly no one gives a [dang] because your assertions are inane. I could care less how Chad Ford has prospects ranked. What I care about are their games, their pedigree, their potential, their mindset, their work ethic and their team fit. In those criteria there's not a darn thing between Bennett and Brown that's similar.

arguably, Bennett was a better prospect than Jaylen.  He was taken 1st, afterall.

[Eddie20]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.

And while he's at it I'd like to see him respond to a Paul George comparison too.

Chad Ford-
George is the upside pick of the draft and a bit of a risk for the Pacers. He has all the physical tools to be a Tracy McGrady-like player in the pros, but he hasn't produced anything like T-Mac. In two years at Fresno State he never really dominated. The Pacers are swinging for the fences with this one. If he develops, it's a great pick for Indiana. But he also has the potential to be a Brandon Rush-type of disappointment too.

[LarBrd33]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.

And while he's at it I'd like to see him respond to a Paul George comparison too.

Chad Ford-
George is the upside pick of the draft and a bit of a risk for the Pacers. He has all the physical tools to be a Tracy McGrady-like player in the pros, but he hasn't produced anything like T-Mac. In two years at Fresno State he never really dominated. The Pacers are swinging for the fences with this one. If he develops, it's a great pick for Indiana. But he also has the potential to be a Brandon Rush-type of disappointment too.

That quote isn't from the annual tiers.  The annual tiers come straight from the basketball heavens.  Ford's weekly draft board is merely a mortal making guesses. 

[celticsclay]

If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison.  At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.

Great point and one larbrd would never make.

But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.

first of all, don't ever accuse me of having integrity.  Second of all, it goes without saying (despite the fact I've said it a zillion times) that players can obviously exceed expectations or fall short of expectations.  Clay knows this.  You know this.  Everyone knows this. We all hope Jaylen going into an ideal developmental environment will allow him to exceed expectations.  He's at the same starting point Anthony Bennett was at three years ago - that doesn't mean he will end up like Anthony Bennett.

This thread did make me doubt your integrity for the first time. The other posters have raised some players that have a lot more in common with Brown (same size, same position, same limitations on their game) but you have chosen to select an undersized big man that actually had really good shooting numbers in college (he shot 37% on 3's), but had questions about his motor and basketball iq (also the opposite of brown).

To me, and anyone else reading this thread, it is rather obvious you are choosing the Bennett comp because Bennett flamed out after being a high pick (which is all he has in common with brown).

Otherwise you would at least select a guy like Kawaii who was said to have a poor handle (like brown) supposed to have trouble creating off the dribble (like brown) shot particularly poor from 3 point land (20 and 29%) had a poor touch around the basket (like brown) had excellent size and strength (like brown, though kawaii's reach is obviously freakishly good) and played small forward like Brown.

Fortunately the angle you have taken on this has been so transparent we can all see what you ate for breakfast so I don't think anyone really needs to play along with it and act like it is a valid comparison.

[CoachBo]

Who besides the ever-hyperbolic rollie mass ever considered Jaylen Brown a better prospect than Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram?

I'd like to know so I can scratch them off the "any credibility" list

[celticsclay]

Who besides the ever-hyperbolic rollie mass ever considered Jaylen Brown a better prospect than Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram?

I'd like to know so I can scratch them off the "any credibility" list

Not even sure rollie said that, so to answer your question probably nobody. We just asking random irrelevant things now?