CSN Philly ran an article on it. http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/sixers-need-move-big-celtics-not-good-match
That article is essentially useless because the author significantly overvalues both Noel and Okafor. He says Smart, Rozier and a 1st is not enough but there is ZERO evidence that anyone in the league is offering anything even close to that. What you think something is worth means nothing. The only thing that matters is what someone else is willing to pay.
Mike
What the seller thinks someone/something is worth means everything. What someone else is willing to pay is only relevant if the seller needs to sell. Philly no doubt would prefer to make a sale, but they don't actually need to do anything. If Smart + Rozier + a 1st isn't enough for Philly to trade Noel (or Okafor), they will probably not accept that offer.
Yeah, only Philly fans claim that they don't have to do anything, which is already being proven false with reports about Noel already being unhappy and wanting out. To the rest of the NBA who isn't biased, basketball logic dictates that some shoe must drop.
Only Philly fans, and this Celtic fan, apparently. Trading one for equal value is probably their best-case. But no... they don't need to do anything.
Unless things have gotten hostile behind the scenes, they can (and probably will) have all those guys on their roster when the season starts. Plenty of minutes to go around. They aren't competing for a title this year one way or the other.
This Celtic team has had their fair share of roster log jams as well. Too many guards or too many mediocre power forwards. They never really resolved the issues. Their way of dealing with the PF log jam was to just wait for SUlly to flee. Maybe that's how Philly will handle Noel. Though unlike SUlly, I suspect that there will be offers for Noel in free agency. So Philly might be best off matching him and dealing with this problem at the trade deadline 2018.
No, that is absolutely false. There simply isn't enough minutes to go around with three centers who can only play the 5 spot and more than 2 other players that will play at the 4 (Simmons, Saric, Covington), let alone all of their other bigs.
Basically the "problem", as you define it, is that they have too much talent and not enough minutes for all the talent. They'll have the minutes, though.
Saric is expected to get like 21 minutes per game this year and probably can play some SF. Probably comes off the bench.
Simmons is expected to get like 34 minutes and widely expected to be their point guard, though some depth charts online expect him to play Sf... some expect him to play PF. Nobody really knows how it's going to work out yet.
Embiid is expected to have a minute restriction (if he plays at all)... something like 24 minutes per night. Reportedly, he has range... so maybe he plays some PF. Nobody has any idea.
Okafor and Noel proved they weren't at their most effective together, but they most certainly played together. Noel mostly ended up at PF. They tried a little with Okafor at PF. They tried staggering them with Noel or Okafor coming off the bench. That entire team was a mess, though.
So you have a total of 96 minutes to distribute at the PF/C positions.
Let's slot in Embiid for 24 of them. Maybe Saric gets a handful at PF. Simmons is going to play the "Simmons" position, but even if he got half of his minutes at the PF position, you're still looking at something like 56 minutes for Noel and Okafor to split (28 each).
There's lots of minutes to go around and inevitably players will get injured.
What's the absolute "Worst-case" you're imagining? EMbiid comes out dominant and they decide to pump 45 minutes into him per night? Simmons proves his most effective at PF and they pump 45 minutes per night into him at that position? THen what, the team has 0 minutes for Saric, Noel and Okafor? So be it... If the best they can get for a guy like Noel right now is a mid 1st rounder, that offer will no doubt still be available to them at the trade deadline even if Noel spends the entire first half of the season getting DNPs. Thus, they don't NEED to do anything.
It's entirely hypocritical to sit here and argue "Well Rozier's 1.8 points on 22% shooting doesn't count... everyone knows he is much better than that he just couldn't get minuets because of the depth of Boston's roster!" and then follow it up by claiming that Noel or Okafor would suddenly stop having trade value if they had their minutes vanish due to Philly's new-found "Depth". That don't make no sense. IF people know what Rozier can bring to the table based on hypotheticals... clearly people will still know what Okafor/Noel (who actually HAVE performed on the NBA level) can bring to the table a year from now regardless of what happens to their minutes over the first few months of the season. Give Noel and Okafor a bunch of Rozier-esque DNP's and I fail to see why they'd be worth less than the "mid 1st" people here think they are worth right now. That option is always going to be there. Makes the most sense to see if a better option presents itself.
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