marcus and the next step-it might include defense

[Beat LA]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

And here I thought that people are giving Smart 'more rope' because of his draft position, lol .

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

And here I thought that people are giving Smart 'more rope' because of his draft position, lol .

I think you are wrong because they do the opposite for people who were picked higher and are younger (ex: Okafor and DRussel  to name a couple). That excuse doesn't hold water. When you like a person they need time and when you don't or like them less, time is up.

btw: you= anyone that fits

[timpiker]

I like the hot potato analogy.  I've always thought Smart could be great if he would just drive to the basket more.

[GetLucky]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

Shak, I think people are giving Smart more rope because they witnessed Bradley's progress firsthand. I think it is less a double standard and more a shift in attitude.

[Beat LA]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

And here I thought that people are giving Smart 'more rope' because of his draft position, lol .

I think you are wrong because they do the opposite for people who were picked higher and are younger (ex: Okafor and DRussel  to name a couple). That excuse doesn't hold water. When you like a person they need time and when you don't or like them less, time is up.

True.  I just thought that people were more liable to have a short leash on mid-to-late first and second round picks, while guys in the lottery are generally given more time to develop in the eyes of fans.  That's all I was saying, but yes, obviously you're right in regards to everyone having favorites and their views of them, accordingly.  I was just looking at it another way, I guess . Sorry about that.

What does the 'btw' thing mean, well, btw, lol , as you seem to have added that after I replied to your post.

[Beat LA]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

Shak, I think people are giving Smart more rope because they witnessed Bradley's progress firsthand. I think it is less a double standard and more a shift in attitude.

That too, TP .

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

Shak, I think people are giving Smart more rope because they witnessed Bradley's progress firsthand. I think it is less a double standard and more a shift in attitude.

Except I gave examples when that isn't true and I could go on if put to the test, from our team alone I can shoot out Young, Hunter and Mickey. The next excuse will be that he has shown more than those players but I can go to other teams and pick guys who are younger who have shown flashes on offense but are written off and I used 2 last comment. That is double standards. It all boils down to who you like, why make excuses for that? I do it for Celts all the time.

[Beat LA]

I would love a refresher of the negativity AB received at this age when he was a better shooter. Smart gets way more love and rope than AB did even though he was a 19th pick.


I'm biased and I happily admit it. Smart is my 2nd fave Celt and I still think he has time to be an excellent player and his offense will shake out soon. I just wish other people would admit theirs because some of the same people praising Smart and/or saying he's only 22 were the same ones saying AB was all he was ever going to be and complained ad nauseam when he was the same age. 


Smart was my 2nd fave B4 Horford but I dunno if it will last b/c I have loved AH since FL and he is no longer an enemy for whooping us every [dang] time!

Weren't, and aren't, the complaints about Bradley more to do with his lack of being able to dribble, pass, or get to the basket, lol ?

what does it matter what the complaints were they were still complaints? Are you suggesting complaints about Smart are only about shooting? The fact/point is, AB has gotten better at all of the above when a lot of you said he was done at Smart's age. When you like a player you overlook the negatives or brush over them, all I'm asking is that those people recognize/admit it.

Fair enough, although complaints very from person to person and player to player, as everyone's different, obviously.  I never understood the shooting complaint with Bradley, though.  At least he had showed that he could do so in college, move well without the ball, and obviously defend.  I do still think that he's rather limited, however, offensively.  He's gotten better at things like ball handling, sure, but he's still below average for his position in this regard, imo . I'm not expecting him to be Curry or Kyrie, lol, but he still looks like the ball almost slows him down, haha . But dat defense, doe, lol .

you are arguing things that I am not, again, I am arguing that people are giving Smart more rope b/c of his age than they did when AB was that age. Smart can grow but AB was done were the overwhelming comments. I am not arguing about their play only the biased opinions.

Shak, I think people are giving Smart more rope because they witnessed Bradley's progress firsthand. I think it is less a double standard and more a shift in attitude.

Except I gave examples when that isn't true and I could go on if put to the test, from our team alone I can shoot out Young, Hunter and Mickey. The next excuse will be that he has shown more than those players but I can go to other teams and pick guys who are younger who have shown flashes on offense but are written off and I used 2 last comment. That is double standards. It all boils down to who you like, why make excuses for that? I do it for Celts all the time.

Who exactly is 'he'?  Smart?  Sorry, I'm a little slow, lol, to put it mildly.  I think I understand what you're saying in regards to the age debate of how people 'wrote off' Bradley when he was 22 but aren't doing so for Smart, and I get that you're coming from the angle of favoritism, and there's nothing wrong with that . I was just trying to get across the point that other factors might be at play, here .

[CelticPride2016]

Bradley looked worse than James Young in his first year or was that kind of bad.

I think there is some truth to the idea Smart is granted more patience than most because of where he ended up drafted.

I agree with Shak that a lot of what we say is based on who we like. I didn't like Evan Turner, so it was easy to say put the fork into his scrub career. But he changed my mind through his play and his new contract proves Evan Turner is an NBA success story.

Bradley should never have been made a point guard. Doc was foolish about that and so was Stevens, although I think Brad figured that out a lot sooner than Doc did.

Bradley used to be a toss up on layups. It's like he would do everything perfect in golf and then three-putt a ten footer.

That is a huge development for Bradley's game.

People should be open-minded. On the other hand, isn't the draft a crap shoot and aren't there always going to be scrubs and the sooner that is realized, the better?

How much money and years were wasted on Fab Melo and James Young?

I think Hunter is working hard and still has a chance.

Avery is awful at passing. I do think he is decent at dribbling. He improved on dribbling, finishing off at the rim and shooting efficiency.

I don't think Smart and Bradley can really be compared. Marcus never entered the league with a deer eyes in the headlight virus. He just needs to visit Jerebko's new fancy pad and shoot, shoot, shoot the ball.