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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2016, 11:53:49 AM »

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I hear you on David Lee Roth, but we could have used him in the playoffs. Here's to hoping your right that Marcus takes a leap this year.
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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2016, 11:59:57 AM »

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He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2016, 12:06:22 PM »

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I've mentioned this before.

I want Marcus Smart to defend Jaylen Brown all the time in practice. If Brown could learn from Mahcus, and see how tenacious he is on the defensive side, and inherits it, boy will we have a duo that would cause havoc on opposing teams,

Also, what better way to learn and sharpen your offensive arsenal than to have Smart defend it?

I can't wait until these two guys go out at the same time and just be outright disruptive on all spots on the court. There maybe a bit a shooting problem together, but hey, they will be a nightmare vs opposing teams.
Practice should be crazy I will do a separate thread to ask what people think.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2016, 12:22:56 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRqmPWazqkA

He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2016, 01:10:39 PM »

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The only thing [Smart and D.J.] have in common is their height, and maybe size.

They are similar in having reputations as bad shooters. DJ was clutch and serviceable for it. That is Smart's immediate goal, to hide himself on offense by at least becoming satisfactory at it while aiding the offense in other ways.

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Yes, but [Jerebko] had an awful first half, so when he upped it it looked more dramatic. Nevertheless, he's an outstanding 10th man on a minuscule contract. Was at his best in the playoffs, gives you leadership, great team defender, everything outside the box score, coach on the floor...

I would argue that [the rebuild] was over a year ago.

I had given up on Jerebko, then all of a sudden he was good. I agree he isn't great. I also gave up on Turner until the second half. Sullinger was the opposite.

Unless Danny guts the team like he did to get KG, it seems the general players or types of players and team philosophy are in place. Year one was an audition almost. As soon as we got Isaiah, it was definitely over. We had become a real playoff team and threat. The basic foundation had been built.

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Excluding 162min and 67 shots taken in his rookie yr.   AB has never been a bad shooter.   Ainge has said this too.   Look at his shot charts each year.   AB has always had a jumpshot.

Yes, Avery had more shooting skills coming into the league. He was afflicted with deer in the headlights and then broke out, you're correct. His shooting stats fell, however, in his third year and he really took a step last year finishing off layups. That was a big problem with him, choking at the rim.

Avery has taken two steps on offense. First he got rid of the deer lights and became a chucker, albeit you're correct, his stats look good. Last year I think he took a step into the near automatic category of shooter. He doesn't put up Curry numbers, but he's close enough. Bradley put up outstanding numbers last year for shooting. He could take another step as he enters his prime. He is our Ray Allen and can play defense. Ray could dribble a bit better. But when Avery shoots, there is never any fear for him or the viewer. That is a big step. Even though I liked Bradley when Stevens first made him a chucker, I wanted that experiment to perhaps wind down. Now I want more Bradley. If he can handle it, let him shoot it 20 or 30 times like Kobe every once in a while.

I think Avery has improved with dribbling. His worst attribute remains passing. He needs to take a step there and stop telegraphing his passes.

Danny will have a tough decision to make someday if he decides Smart and Bradley are redundant. Same with Brown and Crowder. But that's no problem for this year. Same thing if by chance Rozier turns into a star point guard. That's the kind of problem we want.

The bottom line is winning and it's going to take variety and teamwork whether Smart wreaks havoc on defense or Avery is draining some threes like we have come to expect will drop in for wins.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2016, 01:23:39 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRqmPWazqkA

He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

Gotta agree with this. Smart is a more than capable passer. He's not Rondo or CP3, but he sees the floor well enough and can deliver the ball in good spots.

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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2016, 01:44:41 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRqmPWazqkA

He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.  The clip shows maybe 3 good passes from Marcus.  Marcus's offensive basketball IQ is low --bad shots bad decisions & Brad uses him in a way that shows he has the same opinion of Marcus's shortcomings.

Not saying he can't catch up but last season his offense decision making was poor and unreliable.
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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2016, 02:41:38 PM »

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We've gotta guy answering questions that weren't asked, that also happens to know why Brad Stevens does things. Sorry I posted guys, I'm an idiot. Can we please get negativity into all of our threads? Maybe another Durant Dynasty article on the homepage will calm fans down.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2016, 03:07:56 PM »

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I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.

Marcus had a lot more minutes at backup 1 than Rozier did; Terry only played a total of 311 minutes all season.  Having said that, it looks like Terry is ready to step into an expanded role this season, and I'd agree that they don't need Marcus to be a full-time primary ballhandler; nor should he be.

Not saying he can't catch up but last season his offense decision making was poor and unreliable.

 I think it was not bad at all, looking at the whole body of work; his turnover percentage in particular was very good for a second-year player who had the ball as much as he did.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2016, 03:08:38 PM »

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We've gotta guy answering questions that weren't asked, that also happens to know why Brad Stevens does things. Sorry I posted guys, I'm an idiot. Can we please get negativity into all of our threads? Maybe another Durant Dynasty article on the homepage will calm fans down.

Fine why do you think Brad rarely used Marcus as a point guard, used Evan Turner to run his offense and pushed Terry Rozier ahead of Marcus in the PG pecking order. And besides those 3 passes what makes him an intelligent passer.

People agree with your statement & it's fine, I disagree and you get all bent out of shape--i thought we were entitled to opinions here-

Marcus, IMO, is a poor decision maker and not an intelligent passer--inflating his abilities as a passer based on  that video does not change what he excels at.

 
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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2016, 03:12:48 PM »

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He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.  The clip shows maybe 3 good passes from Marcus.  Marcus's offensive basketball IQ is low --bad shots bad decisions & Brad uses him in a way that shows he has the same opinion of Marcus's shortcomings.

Had nothing to do with CBS not Trusting Smart and everything to do with ET's Limitations..  The only way ET could be effective is if he had the ball in his hands.  He cant play off the ball so CBS put him in the only position he could to help the team..  This is why most of us knew ET would not be returning..

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2016, 03:14:09 PM »

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I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.

Marcus had a lot more minutes at backup 1 than Rozier did; Terry only played a total of 311 minutes all season.  Having said that, it looks like Terry is ready to step into an expanded role this season, and I'd agree that they don't need Marcus to be a full-time primary ballhandler; nor should he be.

Not saying he can't catch up but last season his offense decision making was poor and unreliable.

 I think it was not bad at all, looking at the whole body of work; his turnover percentage in particular was very good for a second-year player who had the ball as much as he did.

What i saw was not Marcus and turnovers but choosing his own shot too often, lead to a poor shooting percentage.  Also trying the home run pass too often.  Rozier was elevated to running the offense near the end of the season and given some important minutes instead of Marcus--which I saw as Brad liking Terry's decision making above Marcus's --i could be wrong but I don't think I am the first to think Brad chose to give Terry PG minutes over Marcus at the end of the season.
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Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2016, 03:20:38 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRqmPWazqkA

He's an intelligent passer. If his label was SG, how many players at his position are more savvy passers? Wade, Manu, (insert x players). Conversely, IT is a reliable 3-pt shooter for the PG position.
Last season we finished 6th with 1,981 assists. GS (1st) finished with 2,373 and ATL (2nd) with 2,100. I predict/hope we break 2150 this season.

I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.  The clip shows maybe 3 good passes from Marcus.  Marcus's offensive basketball IQ is low --bad shots bad decisions & Brad uses him in a way that shows he has the same opinion of Marcus's shortcomings.

Had nothing to do with CBS not Trusting Smart and everything to do with ET's Limitations..  The only way ET could be effective is if he had the ball in his hands.  He cant play off the ball so CBS put him in the only position he could to help the team..  This is why most of us knew ET would not be returning..

I completely disagree with this, Evan was often referred to as a point forward--he ran the offense and was our most creative passer.  Brad put him in this position because he was better at running the offense than Marcus, Avery or Terry--only IT played more point.

He did not return because Portland paid him $70 million dollars.
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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2016, 06:24:35 PM »

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I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.

Marcus had a lot more minutes at backup 1 than Rozier did; Terry only played a total of 311 minutes all season.  Having said that, it looks like Terry is ready to step into an expanded role this season, and I'd agree that they don't need Marcus to be a full-time primary ballhandler; nor should he be.

Not saying he can't catch up but last season his offense decision making was poor and unreliable.

 I think it was not bad at all, looking at the whole body of work; his turnover percentage in particular was very good for a second-year player who had the ball as much as he did.

What i saw was not Marcus and turnovers but choosing his own shot too often, lead to a poor shooting percentage.  Also trying the home run pass too often.  Rozier was elevated to running the offense near the end of the season and given some important minutes instead of Marcus--which I saw as Brad liking Terry's decision making above Marcus's --i could be wrong but I don't think I am the first to think Brad chose to give Terry PG minutes over Marcus at the end of the season.

Rozier and Smart both got a minutes bump for the playoffs, with Smart's minutes mostly shifting over to 2.  It is not so much that Rozier took Smart's minutes as that Smart took more minutes at 2 while Rozier took more at 1.  Small sample size, but it looks like the likely prototype for the upcoming season, even with a healthy Avery Bradley. 

Equally, though, it looks like they'll continue to run offense through Smart as a secondary ball-handler.  In year two, he seriously upped his attempts at the rim and his FT attempts, rate, and %, while reducing his turnover pct.  Very good signs going forward.

I don't think that Marcus' decision issues are as serious as you do, but I think that we can agree that better shot-making is critical.

Re: marcus and the next step-it might include defense
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2016, 08:41:33 PM »

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I disagree--if Marcus was a good passer or decision maker why did Brad use Evan Turner and Terry Rozier as the back up point--almost never trusted the offense to Marcus.

Marcus had a lot more minutes at backup 1 than Rozier did; Terry only played a total of 311 minutes all season.  Having said that, it looks like Terry is ready to step into an expanded role this season, and I'd agree that they don't need Marcus to be a full-time primary ballhandler; nor should he be.

Not saying he can't catch up but last season his offense decision making was poor and unreliable.

 I think it was not bad at all, looking at the whole body of work; his turnover percentage in particular was very good for a second-year player who had the ball as much as he did.

What i saw was not Marcus and turnovers but choosing his own shot too often, lead to a poor shooting percentage.  Also trying the home run pass too often.  Rozier was elevated to running the offense near the end of the season and given some important minutes instead of Marcus--which I saw as Brad liking Terry's decision making above Marcus's --i could be wrong but I don't think I am the first to think Brad chose to give Terry PG minutes over Marcus at the end of the season.

You see trust issues, I see it as something else. IMO, Rozier was the next best player on our roster. CBS strikes me as a guy who plays his best players, regardless of position. I mean, who was he supposed to play? Hunter? Young? I think the recent SL showed the gap between Rozier and those guys.

That said, ball handling duties were given to Rozier because that's where he could be effective. Smart could play both 1 and 2. Rozier could only play 1. If you were going to play both at the same time, you'd slide Smart over to the 2.
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