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Re: Sullinger to the Raptors? (EDIT: Confirmed by Woj/1-yr deal)
« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2016, 10:18:53 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

I suspect it has something to do with gluttony.
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« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2016, 10:21:44 PM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

You just solved the Lathsfatz thread...we're trading for Valunciaunas!  Good job! 
(two misspelled names in one sentence unless I got lucky).

Lol, what is the 'Lathsfatz' thread?  I'm afraid I'm quite late to the party, on this one, haha.

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« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2016, 10:27:09 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

That makes some sense.   Hard to figure how you put all the weight back on during the regular season.   I have a cousin who dropped a ton of weight after learning of a glutton issue.   Considering how modified the wheat genome is these days.  Did glutton free even exist in the 80's?  Now a days you can even get glutton free beer... Something happening there.

I seriously doubt it.  My grandma had it starting in the early part of the last decade, and it was impossible to find ANYTHING.  We didn't know much about it, then, and, frankly, neither did many other people, lol, and the worst part is that she loved bread :'(.

That aside, maybe someone should introduce Sully to Ben and Jerry's dairy free line, although who knows what the hell is in that, lol ;D.

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« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2016, 10:30:18 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

That makes some sense.   Hard to figure how you put all the weight back on during the regular season.   I have a cousin who dropped a ton of weight after learning of a glutton issue.   Considering how modified the wheat genome is these days.  Did glutton free even exist in the 80's?  Now a days you can even get glutton free beer... Something happening there.

I'm really not trying to be the spelling police or anything, but gluten to glutton makes for some truly phenomenal spelling/autocorrect errors in your post.  We live in wonderful times when our phones can make Freudian slips on our behalf  :)

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2016, 10:32:33 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

I suspect it has something to do with gluttony.

Man, where's autocorrect when you need it?
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« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2016, 10:39:47 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

That makes some sense.   Hard to figure how you put all the weight back on during the regular season.   I have a cousin who dropped a ton of weight after learning of a glutton issue.   Considering how modified the wheat genome is these days.  Did glutton free even exist in the 80's?  Now a days you can even get glutton free beer... Something happening there.

I'm really not trying to be the spelling police or anything, but gluten to glutton makes for some truly phenomenal spelling/autocorrect errors in your post.  We live in wonderful times when our phones can make Freudian slips on our behalf  :)
Seriously.   My phone actually changed it each time...I was actually typing 'gluton'
But yeah I am a terrible speller.   

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« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2016, 10:45:57 PM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.
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« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2016, 11:16:56 PM »

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Lucas made another point about he perhaps being glutton intolerant or something. 

That makes some sense.   Hard to figure how you put all the weight back on during the regular season.   I have a cousin who dropped a ton of weight after learning of a glutton issue.   Considering how modified the wheat genome is these days.  Did glutton free even exist in the 80's?  Now a days you can even get glutton free beer... Something happening there.

I'm really not trying to be the spelling police or anything, but gluten to glutton makes for some truly phenomenal spelling/autocorrect errors in your post.  We live in wonderful times when our phones can make Freudian slips on our behalf  :)
Seriously.   My phone actually changed it each time...I was actually typing 'gluton'
But yeah I am a terrible speller.

Lol

Gluten gluttons are the worst kind of gluttons.

Dollars to donuts Sullinger p u two up a career night on his first trip back to Boston. I the fine tradition of AC Earl the Raptor.
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« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2016, 11:51:05 PM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.

Beat LA believes in unproven rookies more than vets. Apparently GMs do not share his own belief, not just Ainge.

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« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2016, 01:00:20 AM »

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For so long people on this forum have argued that Celtics fans have been too hard on Sully, and been unfairly judgemental towards him in regards to his red flags (conditioning, poor shot selection, inconsistent effort). 

I think that Sully's willingness to settle for 1 year at ~$5m (at a time where Evan Turner just got $17m a year) is very strong evidence that this is not the case. 

Sully is far more talented then guys like Mosgov, Tristan Thompson and even the current day version of Joakhim Noah - yet those guys got in excess of 3x the money Sully did on the free agent market.

Sully is a talented player with a lot of skill and a lot of potential, but his red flags are real and they are significant.  I'm a big guy myself, so I am the last person who is going to be unfairly judgmental against somebody for his conditioning...and yet I do judge Sully for it. 

Why? 

Because Sully is a professional athlete, so I don't think it's unfair at all to judge him when he is making lifestyle choices that directly impact his ability to be productive in his occupation. 

I understand that it's hard to break a habit and hard to change a lifestyle. It's not something you can do overnight.  Sully spent four years in Boston.  He has had four years working in an organisation where he is surrounded by guys who are fitness freaks, where he has had access to the highest grade of personal trainers and where he has had access to the best dieticians.  He's had access to the best training facilities and doctors. 

He's made about $6m over those four years - more then enough income to allow the man to hire his own personal chef to prepare healthy meals for him every day. More then enough income to allow him to build his own personal gymnasium inside his home, so that he can work out in the comfort of his own home if it is too hot / cold outside, or if he's simply too lazy to leave the house.

I understand not all NBA athletes are going to have the physique of a Ray Allen, or Dwight Howard, or Lebron James, or Rajon Rondo.  I get that you're going to have guys like Paul Pierce - guys who don't really have a "pro athlete" look to them.

What I don't get is how ANY a 24 year old professional athlete could ever allow themselves to  drop to the level of physical conditioning Sully has been at for the past 2-3 years...and the worst part of it all is that it seems like he is getting worse!  In college his conditioning was raised as a concern, but he was FAR trimmer then he is now.  In fact if he looked right now the way he did in college, I'd have been all for throwing the money at him.

Sully is a very, very talented player.  At 6'9" his optimal BMI would, in theory, be around 235 pounds (think - Antonio Davis).  Sully is an inside guy who depends on his weight, so I don't expect him to be anywhere near that figure.  If he could get his weight down to around 240-250 pounds, then he would be a monster.  I seriously think he would have the potential to be an All-Star and to put up numbers not far off 20 and 12.  If he could even keep the weight at 260 pounds (which is still too much for a PF, but whatever) I think even at that playing weight he'd be able to play a consistent 32-33 MPG while averaging 16 and 9 or similar. 

But there have been reports traight from Danny's and Sully's mouths  confirming that Sully has, on numerous occasions, been at a playing weight that hovered around the 300 pound mark...and that's in the middle of the season, when guys should be at peak condition. 

I loved Sully when we got him.  The things he did as a rookie - I saw so much future there.  I thought maybe one day he could become a Kevin Love caliber player.  The sad part is that if he took better care of his body, he almost certainly could be.

I wish him well for his career and I hope he gets his priorities in order...but I'm not all that sad to see him go. 

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« Reply #100 on: July 12, 2016, 01:03:40 AM »

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« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2016, 01:15:58 AM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.

I was just trying to figure it out in terms of playing time.  I mean, obviously, Poeltl is coming off the bench, so then does Sully start with Valančiūnas and they have Siakam back up the 4 spot?  I just figured that lottery picks tend to play more, and Siakam can really help them, especially defensively, on the boards, and in transition.  He's got great speed with an outstanding motor, excellent lateral quickness and footwork owing to his growing up playing soccer, as well as some awesome, and quick, post moves with either hand along with a developing midrange/foul line jumper. 

Honestly, I don't even know who the Raptors have for big guys, except for the ones I've mentioned.  I think the list has been posted by Pho in this thread, but I can't remember the names as of right now, lol.

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« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2016, 01:22:33 AM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.

I was just trying to figure it out in terms of playing time.  I mean, obviously, Poeltl is coming off the bench, so then does Sully start with Valančiūnas and they have Siakam back up the 4 spot?  I just figured that lottery picks tend to play more, and Siakam can really help them, especially defensively, on the boards, and in transition.  He's got great speed with an outstanding motor, excellent lateral quickness and footwork owing to his growing up playing soccer, as well as some awesome, and quick, post moves with either hand along with a developing midrange/foul line jumper. 

Honestly, I don't even know who the Raptors have for big guys, except for the ones I've mentioned.  I think the list has been posted by Pho in this thread, but I can't remember the names as of right now, lol.
Patterson will probably start at the 4 if not Demarre Carrol

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« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2016, 01:37:39 AM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.

I was just trying to figure it out in terms of playing time.  I mean, obviously, Poeltl is coming off the bench, so then does Sully start with Valančiūnas and they have Siakam back up the 4 spot?  I just figured that lottery picks tend to play more, and Siakam can really help them, especially defensively, on the boards, and in transition.  He's got great speed with an outstanding motor, excellent lateral quickness and footwork owing to his growing up playing soccer, as well as some awesome, and quick, post moves with either hand along with a developing midrange/foul line jumper. 

Honestly, I don't even know who the Raptors have for big guys, except for the ones I've mentioned.  I think the list has been posted by Pho in this thread, but I can't remember the names as of right now, lol.
Patterson will probably start at the 4 if not Demarre Carrol

Ah yes, TP, how could I ever forget the immortal Patrick Patterson (sarcasm), lol ::) ;D, although I thought that Carroll was a 3.  They haven't re-signed Scola, have they?  I just remember how the 4 spot was the one where they desperately needed an upgrade, iirc, why is why it was surprising, to me, that they elected to take Poeltl over Sabonis.

On the other hand, having Valančiūnas and Sabonis as your starters at the 5 and 4, respectively, probably would have left Toronto's paint more clogged than a Nerlens Noel toilet, lol ;D.
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« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2016, 01:50:12 AM »

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This deal makes no sense, to me.  Why sign Sully when you just drafted Poeltl and Siakam?

Most teams like having multiple good players at all positions, plus you're better off not feeling obligated to immediately put rookies into the rotation.

I was just trying to figure it out in terms of playing time.  I mean, obviously, Poeltl is coming off the bench, so then does Sully start with Valančiūnas and they have Siakam back up the 4 spot?  I just figured that lottery picks tend to play more, and Siakam can really help them, especially defensively, on the boards, and in transition.  He's got great speed with an outstanding motor, excellent lateral quickness and footwork owing to his growing up playing soccer, as well as some awesome, and quick, post moves with either hand along with a developing midrange/foul line jumper. 

Honestly, I don't even know who the Raptors have for big guys, except for the ones I've mentioned.  I think the list has been posted by Pho in this thread, but I can't remember the names as of right now, lol.
Patterson will probably start at the 4 if not Demarre Carrol

Ah yes, TP, how could I ever forget the immortal Patrick Patterson (sarcasm), lol ::) ;D, although I thought that Carroll was a 3.  They haven't re-signed Scola, have they?  I just remember how the 4 spot was the one where they desperately needed an upgrade, iirc, why is why it was surprising, to me, that they elected to take Poeltl over Sabonis.

On the other hand, having Valančiūnas and Sabonis as your starters at the 5 and 4, respectively, probably would have left Toronto's paint more clogged than a Nerlens Noel toilet, lol ;D.
I think Toronto likes to split Carrolls minutes between the 3 and the 4 and yeah lol ill take my chances against Patrick Paterson. Although we will presumably be marching Amir out there in our starting lineup.