Let's be real: The nets had an awful offseason

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think they did really well. The Lin deal is great: he's talented AND it's great value. The Crabbe deal is an overpay, but he's very good and provides shooting that they beyond desperately needed. The Johnson deal is pretty good. The Booker deal is okay. Losing Thad Young is a big deal, but overall, they improved. I still see them as a bottom 5 team, but they should be better than last year.

I agree. I think they did well, looking towards building for the future. They've definitely improved for this season, too. I wouldn't be surprised if they fell outside of the bottom 5.

[crimson_stallion]

They will be worse then last year...hard to imagine otherwise.

Thad Young was i think their best advanced stats guy and hes gone.  Lin is a good backup / mediocre starter - not convinced for certain thst hes actully an upgrade over Jack.  I consider them about on par.

Lopez is who he is, hes not getting any better.

RHJ might improve a little.

Whatever small gains they may make with Lin et all will struggle to compensate for the loss if Thad Young. They'll be about on par...except that the Sixers, Lakers and Wolves are all going to be significantly improved...and the Suns will be as well if Bledsoe comes back healthy. The Knicks will be better too.

I dont see any team who i can envision being worse then the Nets next year.  I honestly think they will finish last.

Only team that might be close to as bad is Miami.  They lost Wade, may have lost Bosh, lost Deng...al they have left is Dragic and Whiteside.  They are going to be real bad.

[PhoSita]

For what it's worth, if the Nets get reasonably productive and healthy seasons from Lin, TJ, Crabbe, and Booker, by Win Shares it looks like they could expect roughly 19 Win Shares from those guys.

Lin - 5
Johnson - 4
Crabbe - 4
Booker - 6

That's a rather big if, though, considering that those guys have mostly been backups in their careers, and Johnson, at least, has had significant injury concerns.

[libermaniac]

Question.  I know Lin can't play a lick of defense, but can Crabbe or Johnson play defense?

[jpotter33]

With the additions, which haven't been finalized and could not happen, and subtractions, I thi,k Brooklyn is probably about where they were last year, about 20-23 wins. Now if Portland and Miami match on Crabbe and Johnson, forget it, the Nets are clearly worse.

And all of this is assuming they have the same health as last year when they were one of the healthier teams in the league. If Lopez goes down for extenxed time, they could be looking at a win total that Hinkie and Kahn would be proud of.

Yeah, I asked this earlier, but nobody answered. I would think that Tyler Johnson is a lock to go back to Miami after Wade left, and I'm pretty sure that Portland has let it be known that they'll match the offer for Crabbe.

[CFAN38]

Given what they have to work with I would not call it an awful offseason but they are in great position to finish in the bottom 5 of the league.

At least their starting 5 makes sense in the sense of they all fill a clear role/need and on paper fit well together. The talent just inst there. Lin will likely average near 20ppg and NY area fans love him, Crabbe I would expect a around 15ppg from, RHJ will improve. If Lopez stays healthy and they figure out the front court rotation they are a better team then they put on the court last season. The issue they will have is every team in the East except for the Hawks and Heat has likely improved this off-season still leaving the Nets at 14th or 15th in the conference.

They should be in the mix with 76ers (improved but still to young), Lakers (young), Suns (weird mix of youth/old/injury prone), Kings (plan?), and Pelicans (roster needs overhaul) as the bottom feeders   

 

[moiso]

Yes, awful.  It's still Lopez and a bunch role players.  Good for us.

[dannyboy35]

The big thing is we need them to not even climb to 5th best because that could easily turn into the 7th pick overall. I'm still really hoping Lopez moves from there somehow. That would make them dead last and we'd be looking at a top 3 with 4th being a worst case.

[Surferdad]

Given what they have to work with I would not call it an awful offseason but they are in great position to finish in the bottom 5 of the league.

At least their starting 5 makes sense in the sense of they all fill a clear role/need and on paper fit well together. The talent just inst there. Lin will likely average near 20ppg and NY area fans love him, Crabbe I would expect a around 15ppg from, RHJ will improve. If Lopez stays healthy and they figure out the front court rotation they are a better team then they put on the court last season. The issue they will have is every team in the East except for the Hawks and Heat has likely improved this off-season still leaving the Nets at 14th or 15th in the conference.

They should be in the mix with 76ers (improved but still to young), Lakers (young), Suns (weird mix of youth/old/injury prone), Kings (plan?), and Pelicans (roster needs overhaul) as the bottom feeders   

I would say the Lakers added just enough talent (Deng, Mosgov, Ingram) to stay out of bottom while mortgaging their future ability to sign a superstar.  Perfect Kurt, good job!  The Pels also should stay out of the bottom-3 simply because they have AD.

I'm hopeful the Nets will be in the bottom-3.

[fantankerous]

With the additions, which haven't been finalized and could not happen, and subtractions, I thi,k Brooklyn is probably about where they were last year, about 20-23 wins. Now if Portland and Miami match on Crabbe and Johnson, forget it, the Nets are clearly worse.

And all of this is assuming they have the same health as last year when they were one of the healthier teams in the league. If Lopez goes down for extenxed time, they could be looking at a win total that Hinkie and Kahn would be proud of.

Yeah, I asked this earlier, but nobody answered. I would think that Tyler Johnson is a lock to go back to Miami after Wade left, and I'm pretty sure that Portland has let it be known that they'll match the offer for Crabbe.

I'm not so sure about Johnson.  The poison-pill offer might make Miami let him go to preserve cap flexibility.  Do they really want Johnson counting nearly 20m against the cap in years three and four of his contract?

[greece66]

They got Lin, Justin Hamilton, Trevor Booker, Tyler Johnson (in principle Heat can still match), and Crabbe (in principle Portland can still match).

I'm quite pleased with that: rosterwise, as things are now, they sure look bottom 5 - one could even make the case that even LAL is better than them right now.

All in all, barring a big surprise they will be a lottery team, hopefully a bottom 5 one.

[mef730]

They got Lin, Justin Hamilton, Trevor Booker, Tyler Johnson (in principle Heat can still match), and Crabbe (in principle Portland can still match).

I'm quite pleased with that: rosterwise, as things are now, they sure look bottom 5 - one could even make the case that even LAL is better than them right now.

All in all, barring a big surprise they will be a lottery team, hopefully a bottom 5 one.

Crabbe's the one I'm worried about and I don't see how Portland matches. I think he'll be playing for BKN.

I agree that roster wise, this is a bottom-3 team. Our biggest risk is an injury to Davis or Cousins, which puts their teams in tank-worthy positions. In an injury-free world, this should be a very good season.

Mike

[slightly biased bias fan]

Brook is a massive injury risk too remember, I was amazed he went the whole 2015/16 season without a major injury but I would bet that he won't keep it up this season with a history of feet injuries.

[Surferdad]

They got Lin, Justin Hamilton, Trevor Booker, Tyler Johnson (in principle Heat can still match), and Crabbe (in principle Portland can still match).

I'm quite pleased with that: rosterwise, as things are now, they sure look bottom 5 - one could even make the case that even LAL is better than them right now.
All in all, barring a big surprise they will be a lottery team, hopefully a bottom 5 one.

Not hard to do, at all.  LAL added just enough (Mozgov, Deng, Ingram) to stay out of the bottom-3.  Plus, Russell and Nance Jr. look awfully good in SL.

[saltlover]

They got Lin, Justin Hamilton, Trevor Booker, Tyler Johnson (in principle Heat can still match), and Crabbe (in principle Portland can still match).

I'm quite pleased with that: rosterwise, as things are now, they sure look bottom 5 - one could even make the case that even LAL is better than them right now.

All in all, barring a big surprise they will be a lottery team, hopefully a bottom 5 one.

Crabbe's the one I'm worried about and I don't see how Portland matches. I think he'll be playing for BKN.

I agree that roster wise, this is a bottom-3 team. Our biggest risk is an injury to Davis or Cousins, which puts their teams in tank-worthy positions. In an injury-free world, this should be a very good season.

Mike

Remember tho that Sac swaps picks with Philly if they wind up with a better pick than the ex-Hinkies.  So their incentive to tank is lessened.