Sullinger: Change is coming

[Neurotic Guy]

I understand the logic -- he's overweight, he has access to the best supports, he should be able to keep weight off.  I've always eaten everything I want and I don't gain weight (and I'm not young).  I have friends who gain weight despite diligent exercise and healthy eating.  Some people can persevere only so much when biology and psychology are working against them.   Yes it may be a lack of persistence , perhaps, but that doesnt mean it's laziness.

I sure hope Sully doesn't end up in Brooklyn. I'd say he's worth 3-5 wins over the course of the year.

[mctyson]

Sullinger is a professional athlete whose job mandates he be in shape. He's also getting paid millions of dollars to do it. With no other job to occupy his time and having easy access to professional trainers and professional chefs, there's no other excuse but laziness to account for the poor shape he keeps himself in.

That's why I am wondering what is up here.  Given his talent, age, and productivity some one should have crafted an offer sheet to him.  Where are the Nets here?  Where are the Knicks?  Bulls?  All these teams should be making an offer.

I am on record that if the offer is under $10M, we should match it.  I don't care if he is fat.  He is too good of a player to let walk for what would be cheap money.  Maybe we can put weight clauses in his contract.  I do not want him to get away simply because he is overweight.  That would be dumb.

He gave his best this season because it's his contract year. Don't be fool by Sully, he hasn't say anything great about Boston organization. As soon as he can, he's out of here.
He didn't appreciate us saying he's fat last year, he want out.
Good riddance

His best season was last year, IMO.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Honestly, if Doc was his coach the last four seasons he might already be out of the league. Any situation with limited accountability would be devastating to his career.

[walker834]

I am a fan of sully. He has his drawbacks especially just being slow on the defensive end and gets tired after long stretches.  Great rebounder though and smart player.   I like his throwback game of sorts. 

When he was our savior and could do no wrong  I never really saw him as that though. He had a lot of work  to do at that time.   He was a young player at that time and I think that was somewhat unfair and not accurate.   

He could be better than he is though.  His body is  his  biggest asset and worst enemy.

There are highlights of him very young where he looked like a bigger pierce.   Really talented player in an unconventional way.

[mctyson]

When I first read this I thought he was referring to working out and getting into shape.  The same speech every year and somehow he does not measure up.

That's why I am wondering what is up here.  Given his talent, age, and productivity some one should have crafted an offer sheet to him

Teams love guys who gain weight during the season, don't come into camp in shape,  vanish in the playoffs and bigs that shoot in the low forties.  How could I not see that?   He is a solid rebounder, niftty passer and he had great hands but man he has no business taking threes.

I hope someone does pay him.  That means we are done.   But make no mistake he cost himself a lot of dough with his poor conditioning and diet.

I am on record that if the offer is under $10M, we should match it.  I don't care if he is fat.  He is too good of a player to let walk for what would be cheap money.  Maybe we can put weight clauses in his contract.  I do not want him to get away simply because he is overweight.  That would be dumb.

Where was he is the playoffs, he was completely unreliable in the second half of the last few seasons.  No thanks, time to close the door.

Part of me thinks he is trolling people.

Not one of these points you raise address the fact that he is a 24 year-old big who started for a 48 win team and put up 10 and 8 per game, while being 15th in the NBA in total rebound % and 10th in the NBA in defensive rating.

If his offer sheet is $9M or less, we should match it.

[mmmmm]

Sullinger is a professional athlete whose job mandates he be in shape. He's also getting paid millions of dollars to do it. With no other job to occupy his time and having easy access to professional trainers and professional chefs, there's no other excuse but laziness to account for the poor shape he keeps himself in.

That's why I am wondering what is up here.  Given his talent, age, and productivity some one should have crafted an offer sheet to him.  Where are the Nets here?  Where are the Knicks?  Bulls?  All these teams should be making an offer.

I am on record that if the offer is under $10M, we should match it.  I don't care if he is fat.  He is too good of a player to let walk for what would be cheap money.  Maybe we can put weight clauses in his contract.  I do not want him to get away simply because he is overweight.  That would be dumb.

He's a Restricted Free Agent.  Any interested team is going to wait first to gage whether the player's current team will have any interest in matching before they issue an offer sheet because (a) they obviously don't want to offer a ton if the current team were clearly not going to match even a modest offer and (b) an offer sheet ties up cap space until it is resolved (matched or not).

RFAs often don't get resolved until after the unrestricted FAs and major deals are done and can't sign offer sheets until tomorrow anyway.

[walker834]

Steve Bulpett of the Boston Herald does not believe Jared Sullinger will return to the Celtics.
Boston's big man is a restricted free agent, but the C's frontcourt appears set without him following the signing of Al Horford. It's unclear what Sullinger's market currently looks like as we've heard absolutely no buzz regarding him this offseason. He'll need to land in the right spot to regain real fantasy relevance. Jul. 6 - 12:09 pm et

Not sure if posted but all signs point to he is gone.  Having Horford and Sully as our front line doesn't make sense to me anyways with Sully in the shape he is at least. 

[The Oracle]

When I first read this I thought he was referring to working out and getting into shape.  The same speech every year and somehow he does not measure up.

That's why I am wondering what is up here.  Given his talent, age, and productivity some one should have crafted an offer sheet to him

Teams love guys who gain weight during the season, don't come into camp in shape,  vanish in the playoffs and bigs that shoot in the low forties.  How could I not see that?   He is a solid rebounder, niftty passer and he had great hands but man he has no business taking threes.

I hope someone does pay him.  That means we are done.   But make no mistake he cost himself a lot of dough with his poor conditioning and diet.

I am on record that if the offer is under $10M, we should match it.  I don't care if he is fat.  He is too good of a player to let walk for what would be cheap money.  Maybe we can put weight clauses in his contract.  I do not want him to get away simply because he is overweight.  That would be dumb.

Where was he is the playoffs, he was completely unreliable in the second half of the last few seasons.  No thanks, time to close the door.

Part of me thinks he is trolling people.

Not one of these points you raise address the fact that he is a 24 year-old big who started for a 48 win team and put up 10 and 8 per game, while being 15th in the NBA in total rebound % and 10th in the NBA in defensive rating.

If his offer sheet is $9M or less, we should match it.

The fact that Sully would be ranked 10th in the league in Def. Rat. by some bogus metric should tell you everything you need to know about said metric. 

[walker834]

Sully was really  good defensively for the first half of the year.  He was rendered useless against Atlanta.

[dysgenic]

Why do people hate Sullinger so much?  Guy has played well for us.  Yes, he struggles with his weight.  It's his body type. It ain't easy given his metabolism.

Waste of a talent and a big tease.  If he lost 50 pounds he's a borderline allstar imo.

He is not a waste of talent or a tease.  The guy seriously produced for this team.  He averaged 10 and
 8 a game in under 24 minutes.

Yes, he needs to be in better shape so he can play 28 minutes a game.  But the idea that he was somehow a waste is crazy.

That's what annoys me the most. The guy can play-he's got great hands, he's a good rebounder, and an above average passer. I also believe he'd be much better defensively if he was playing lighter; he's not a great athlete but he's very savvy. I bet even his shooting improves if he is in shape. In short, I like his game and it's very annoying to watch him p--- his talent away by being too fat.

[BudweiserCeltic]

He was obviously speaking about Dwayne Wade... man, you guys are no good at this game! :p

[Celtics4ever]

Not one of these points you raise address the fact that he is a 24 year-old big who started for a 48 win team and put up 10 and 8 per game, while being 15th in the NBA in total rebound % and 10th in the NBA in defensive rating.

If his offer sheet is $9M or less, we should match it.

On 44% shooting.  That is a pretty inefficient 10 PPG.   He is also ranked, 15th in scoring, 20th in FG%, 16th in RPG. 38th in BPG, 8th in APG.   Which pretty much backs up what we said, he can pass, can rebound though not at the elite level everyone states but still good at it, and he can't shoot.  Consider that defensive rating required us to go sign Amir.  But he is a middle of the road in most stats.   His natural position would be PF but he is too slow to cover them so that is not an option.   He also can't stay at a decent playing weight, has conditioning issues.  Who gains weight during the season?  He will always be a guy who requires certain players around him to compensate for his weaknesses.

If he is as good as you say, then why haven't other teams signed him right away?  A bunch of teams passed him up on draft night, they did their homework.   So far, free agency, has not went the way he hoped.  There is a reason for this and the reason is he has baggage.  I like our energy level more without him.   We were also more fun to watch and had a nice run without him the year before last year when he ate himself to a foot injury.

If no offers more than the QO then it would be foolish to offer more.    His playoffs this year was horrific.   This GUY IS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY sadly.  He doesn't take personal responsibility for his condition and blames it on his metabolism which is not shoving food in his mouth.  It may contribute to his malady but he still has a great deal of control of this situation which he hides behind his metabolism excuse.  If a team offers 8-9 million, I would only match or exceed if it was a one year contract.   From now, on if he stays here, he should be facing one year contracts with weight clauses.  His health or back could take a turn for the worst with all the weight on it.   I do not wish him hurt but this is reality.  Excess weight is hard on anyone.

I think after reading Bulpett's comments and the tweet, we may be hearing a renounce of his rights.   Ainge has finally had enough of his antics.   Maybe he is working out a sign and trade so he can get something out of it for him.

Should be interesting to find out more.  Wonder if he did this just to remind GMs he is out there, sort of a PR stunt.

[CelticsJG]

Hope we keep him. Would make for an excellent player off the bench..

[Evantime34]

Hope we keep him. Would make for an excellent player off the bench..

I agree with this, with the caveat that I don't want him to cut into our cap space next year. If he is willing to sign a one year deal, I'd love to have him back.

[apc]

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