Woj - Horford Decision Expected Saturday Evening (ATL upping offer)

[hpantazo]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I strongly agree. If that's what he really prioritizes, then I'm glad he won't be here if thats the case. I still think he's waiting on Durant's decision though.

[alldaboston]

I hate Atlanta. So much.

[droopdog7]

Horford should take the money and run.

He is not going to sniff that type of payday in 4 years time.

I don't think he really wants to lose in the second round every year for the rest of his career, though. He was a two-time college champion, and this team isn't giving him an NBA champion, whatever they choose to do with Milsap.

We have a much higher ceiling than Atlanta, especially with our assets moving forward.

Why lose in the second round when you can lose in the first?

I understand the narrative, that the celts have tons of assets.  But those assets aren't the biggest factors that will determine whether this team ever competes for a title.  The biggest factor is luck.  To become a real contender, we're simply going to have to get lucky along the way. 

And I love the fans that dismiss tens of millions of dollars.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  One can never blame for taking the money.  Never.

[kozlodoev]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we're the better team. Atlanta added some major pieces and just beat us in the playoffs, injuries or no injuries.

[jpotter33]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

It's possible he simply thinks that Atlanta will be a better team over the next few seasons.

Nope. No reasonable person would think that. They tried Milsap at the three and Horford at the 4 last year, and it went horribly. Even shipping out Milsap leaving Horford and Howard is a terrible pairing. Him being here is a clearly better team than him being there.

[tankcity!]

Yep this entire time ATL has been shopping Millsap. Feels like a formality at this point.

I hope we take advantage of this and grab Milsap. He's significantly better than Horford.

So are you still thinking Horford didn't use us as leverage?

Did he decide not to sign with us yet? I have always preferred Milsap over Horford. I just thought Milsap wasnt available.

Lol okay dude. All I said was he was waiting on ATL to offer him max with 5 years. Every report out there is saying that he is clearly waiting. If he signs with the C's, that's awesome. The only reason I replied to you was because you acted like I was making stuff up and being pessimistic.

[kozlodoev]

Nope. No reasonable person would think that. They tried Milsap at the three and Horford at the 4 last year, and it went horribly. Even shipping out Milsap leaving Horford and Howard is a terrible pairing. Him being here is a clearly better team than him being there.

This is crazy talk.

Also, it's obvious why the setup you're describing went horribly -- Milsap is not a 3.

[mctyson]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

Exactly.  If Horford wants to stay in ATL he is doing so accepting a diminished role and team with both Teague and likely Milsap gone, with Howard added at his former spot.

[Kane3387]

I'm betting it's either Durant and Horford or neither of them at all. I think that's ultimately what Horford is waiting on.

I'd still like to get Milsap if we lose out on Horford, but I doubt Atlanta wants to ship him to us in the East, especially being the main opponent for Horford.

Put your money on nothing. I think jaylen is the biggest acquisition we get this off season. Not at all a horrible thing for a 48 win team.

Boston is almost guaranteed to not get an already established difference maker prior to 2017. Hopefully patience pays off next year.

[tankcity!]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we're the better team. Atlanta added some major pieces and just beat us in the playoffs, injuries or no injuries.

Dude because they have never won. They have no upside. Do you not see that? They're an older team with limited capability of improving. The Celtics on the other hand are on the upswing. Nobody thinks we're the better team, but if we sign Horford, we'll still have a max contract to add on the team. It seems fairly clear to me.

[hpantazo]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we're the better team. Atlanta added some major pieces and just beat us in the playoffs, injuries or no injuries.

What major pieces did they add? Replacing Milsap with Dwight is a clear step back, and trading away Teague for practically nothing is also a big loss.

[jpotter33]

Nope. No reasonable person would think that. They tried Milsap at the three and Horford at the 4 last year, and it went horribly. Even shipping out Milsap leaving Horford and Howard is a terrible pairing. Him being here is a clearly better team than him being there.

This is crazy talk.

Also, it's obvious why the setup you're describing went horribly -- Milsap is not a 3.

There's no guarantee that they're not going to try that three big lineup. There's just as many reports of that as them wanting to trade Milsap.

But either way, the Horford/Howard pairing is a terrible, terrible fit. Horford can only play the 4 with the right 5, and that's certainly not Howard.

[tankcity!]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we're the better team. Atlanta added some major pieces and just beat us in the playoffs, injuries or no injuries.

What major pieces did they add? Replacing Milsap with Dwight is a clear step back, and trading away Teague for practically nothing is also a big loss.

He's also forgetting we could've had Howard too lol. That's not a major acquisition. They keep getting older and swept by Cleveland.

[jpotter33]

He's also had 2 season ending pectoral surgeries. Maybe he's prioritizing financial security over winning for right now.

Talking about "financial security" for these players is non-sense. He'll have plenty of "financial security" with a four year max in Boston. Nobody needs that much money.

Exactly. If you want to say he values more money over winning, sure, but don't talk about financial security. He's not a young player looking for his first big contract, Horford has already gotten paid and then some, and will again with whichever team he choses.

Let me rephrase then, it's possible he prioritizes money over whatever magical Banner 18 farm we're offering right now.

Then he's no different than Melo, and I don't really care if he's not a Celtic. Simple as that. I don't see how this would be any different than Melo's decision, especially when both of them have talked about "winning" being the main goal.

I'll be so disappointed in Horford if that happens.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we're the better team. Atlanta added some major pieces and just beat us in the playoffs, injuries or no injuries.

What major pieces did they add? Replacing Milsap with Dwight is a clear step back, and trading away Teague for practically nothing is also a big loss.

Exactly. Their defense was fine, but they highly needed to better their offense. Instead they did the opposite by signing Howard and trading away Teague. It's clearly a step back, especially if they try to make the three big lineup work, which will fail for them once again.

[tankcity!]

Nope. No reasonable person would think that. They tried Milsap at the three and Horford at the 4 last year, and it went horribly. Even shipping out Milsap leaving Horford and Howard is a terrible pairing. Him being here is a clearly better team than him being there.

This is crazy talk.

Also, it's obvious why the setup you're describing went horribly -- Milsap is not a 3.

There's no guarantee that they're not going to try that three big lineup. There's just as many reports of that as them wanting to trade Milsap.

But either way, the Horford/Howard pairing is a terrible, terrible fit. Horford can only play the 4 with the right 5, and that's certainly not Howard.

Yeah it's a horrible fit and makes no sense.