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I won't get fooled again
« on: June 30, 2016, 01:37:08 PM »

Offline celts55

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So, I've been fooled one too many times by this team. Seems every year I get caught up in trade rumors, big FA signings, draft day fireworks. Yet at the end of the day, more serviceable players.
Spent all day last Thursday, not to mention the weeks leading up to it,  believing this would be the time. A big trade was coming. End of the day, they draft Brown. Don't hate the guy, but don't think he moves the needle. The year before, it was Rozier.

Trade deadline last year it was Horford, Butler, etc. Then, nothing.

Free agents? Picked up Amir last year. Yet another pretty good role player. This year I'm reading about Durant, Horford, even Howard, But I'm at the point I know at the end of the day, They sign another okay guy. Not sure who it's going to be, but at least I'm prepared.
Been fooled by the "fireworks" too many times.

Just venting

Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 01:43:03 PM »

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I hear you.

I just don't believe anything coming out of the front office any more.

Show me results, and maybe I'll start believing again. But I'm not going to hang my hat on this endless succession of moves that don't advance the product on the floor, like the 2016 and 2017 drafts. Summer league bores me to tears, too.
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 01:43:10 PM »

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So, I've been fooled one too many times by this team. Seems every year I get caught up in trade rumors, big FA signings, draft day fireworks. Yet at the end of the day, more serviceable players.
Spent all day last Thursday, not to mention the weeks leading up to it,  believing this would be the time. A big trade was coming. End of the day, they draft Brown. Don't hate the guy, but don't think he moves the needle. The year before, it was Rozier.

Trade deadline last year it was Horford, Butler, etc. Then, nothing.

Free agents? Picked up Amir last year. Yet another pretty good role player. This year I'm reading about Durant, Horford, even Howard, But I'm at the point I know at the end of the day, They sign another okay guy. Not sure who it's going to be, but at least I'm prepared.
Been fooled by the "fireworks" too many times.

Just venting

With our cap being low I'm pretty sure we will sign at least 1 max free agent. Be it Horford, Durant, or Howard. We have like 40m to spend that's more than roleplayer money.


Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 01:49:07 PM »

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There is a chance we get Durant and/or Horford but it's low. You should expect that we don't do much in free agency and hope that we get something big done.

Even if we don't make a big move, this team is full of young players who are only going to get better and was good enough to win 48 games last year.

If it's not meant to be with Durant or another great free agent this year, just sit back and enjoy the ride of watching a team full of high effort players develop and improve.

With the Nets pick the next two years we have the ability to add players that could someday become stars. There isn't a team in the league better set up to develop talented young plays than in Boston. Our team plays hard, plays physical and shares the ball what better environment to grow players.
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 01:52:50 PM »

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There is a chance we get Durant and/or Horford but it's low. You should expect that we don't do much in free agency and hope that we get something big done.

Even if we don't make a big move, this team is full of young players who are only going to get better and was good enough to win 48 games last year.

If it's not meant to be with Durant or another great free agent this year, just sit back and enjoy the ride of watching a team full of high effort players develop and improve.

With the Nets pick the next two years we have the ability to add players that could someday become stars. There isn't a team in the league better set up to develop talented young plays than in Boston. Our team plays hard, plays physical and shares the ball what better environment to grow players.

I'd like to believe that, but with what we've done in the draft the last two years I don't. No faith whatsoever that the Nets picks won't be entirely squandered.
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 01:53:11 PM »

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So, I've been fooled one too many times by this team. Seems every year I get caught up in trade rumors, big FA signings, draft day fireworks. Yet at the end of the day, more serviceable players.
Spent all day last Thursday, not to mention the weeks leading up to it,  believing this would be the time. A big trade was coming. End of the day, they draft Brown. Don't hate the guy, but don't think he moves the needle. The year before, it was Rozier.

Trade deadline last year it was Horford, Butler, etc. Then, nothing.

Free agents? Picked up Amir last year. Yet another pretty good role player. This year I'm reading about Durant, Horford, even Howard, But I'm at the point I know at the end of the day, They sign another okay guy. Not sure who it's going to be, but at least I'm prepared.
Been fooled by the "fireworks" too many times.

Just venting

Yes, because Danny has superhuman abilities to control people's minds to make them sign here in FA or make trades.  ::)

Here's two things that you may want to remember for the future:
1. More than half the rumors you hear are made up clickbait.
2. Sometimes the best thing to do is to not make a deal.
Jaylen Brown will be an All Star in the next 5 years.

Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 01:53:37 PM »

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If IT isn't a front office mouthpiece, then Horford is seriously interested in the Celtics and he'd move the needle.

I'm good with him.

Durant isn't coming.
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 01:54:29 PM »

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So, I've been fooled one too many times by this team. Seems every year I get caught up in trade rumors, big FA signings, draft day fireworks. Yet at the end of the day, more serviceable players.
Spent all day last Thursday, not to mention the weeks leading up to it,  believing this would be the time. A big trade was coming. End of the day, they draft Brown. Don't hate the guy, but don't think he moves the needle. The year before, it was Rozier.

Trade deadline last year it was Horford, Butler, etc. Then, nothing.

Free agents? Picked up Amir last year. Yet another pretty good role player. This year I'm reading about Durant, Horford, even Howard, But I'm at the point I know at the end of the day, They sign another okay guy. Not sure who it's going to be, but at least I'm prepared.
Been fooled by the "fireworks" too many times.

Just venting

Yes, because Danny has superhuman abilities to control people's minds to make them sign here in FA or make trades.  ::)

Here's two things that you may want to remember for the future:
1. More than half the rumors you hear are made up clickbait.
2. Sometimes the best thing to do is to not make a deal.

Point 2 is the constant excuse coming up for Ainge's performance. Every single time Grousbeck runs his mouth, followed by an Ainge oh-for.

It should be engraved on his tombstone.
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 01:55:09 PM »

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Yup, I'm ready to move on. Looking at all these other recruitments/pitches I honestly feel like we have no shot. We probably have a better shot than Miami but that's about it. meh
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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 01:56:56 PM »

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Wyc should never had said that while fire works thing. Danny has been pretty truthful throughout not making any promises.

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 01:57:25 PM »

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Yup, I'm ready to move on. Looking at all these other recruitments/pitches I honestly feel like we have no shot. We probably have a better shot than Miami but that's about it. meh

What other pitches were presented?

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 01:57:58 PM »

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Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 01:58:37 PM »

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to be fair, I always take th ese kind of promises with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe Danny or the front office, but it always takes two to make a deal. We have the meeting with Durant, Howard, and probably Horford but at the end they decide where they want to go. You can't blame Danny for pitching to these players. If it was never in their mind that they were choosing Boston, no matter what Boston does, they won't come here. With that being said, I am completely fine if we don't get Durant or others, as I do like the idea of going through a real rebuild, drafting players, developing players and improving year by year/ Danny thusfar has proven has can trade for quality players. He may not have a good track record of drafting but hey, he's only really been in the lottery 3 times

Jeff Green - shipped to Seattle for Ray Ray
Smart - not a star at #6, but a very great young defensive player. I have high hopes for him, still do, but I am willing to accept the fact he will never be the star or offensive player I hope him to be, and I am fine with that, as long as he keeps playing defense the way he plays and shows up at big moments that he has shown
Jaylen Brown - tbd but I like the pick

Now his other drafts in the teens and later has been mixed, he drafted good role players and missed some players, and also drafted some busts

Sully at 21 has been a solid pick
Bradley at 16 has been a solid pick
Kelly Olynyk has been a solid pick, but yes I know we missed Giannis, but I'm not p---ed over that, so did a lot of people.

I know Young is a bust, Fab Melo is a bust, but hey most of the drafts that Danny has been in where we have two picks in the first round, the first pick has been all solid picks while the second ones are usually busts. Not perfect and I think this is an area he can improve. But I hope Jaylen ends up being a redeeming pick for Danny that for once he drafted right and shut the haters up.

Going forward, we have a great and exciting young team, and the fact that Durant/Howard has granted us meetings has kinda prove that Boston can be a FA destination for tier1 and tier2 FAs. If Durant chooses to sign with another team not named Boston (which I think he will, some reason, I have an weird feeling that Durant leaves OKC but stays in the West, signs with either GSW or probably the Clippers, don't know why I have this feeling), then I really wish Danny doesn't make a panic signing just to please the fanbase that we can sign a star but at an obnoxious price. Say we miss on Durant, I don't want to see Danny sign Horford or Howard for something obscene like 25 mil per or more. I rather make smart financial decisions to retain our own while signing other good role players, make a couple more trades, and continuing growing this team

We're one of the youngest teams last year in the playoffs if not the youngest. We're still growing and most of our main players hasn't even reached their peak yet. Idk where this team will go, but I do want to find out. 3 - 4 years ago, who would've guessed the Warriors would grow into this current power house? Nobody. Nobody could've predicted Curry to be this good despite his early injury woes, nobody could've predicted Green to be a superstar, everyone thought the Warriors were stupid to not make a Klay for Love trade, and they end up winning the championship that very next year.

I am not saying we are the Warriors, I'm saying is trust the process, have some patience. Maybe our team will grow to be a great team. LeBron is 32 at the end of this year, how long do you think he has until father time catches up to him?Say in 4-5 years, LeBron is 37, where for most players, the injuries starts nagging him, players slowing down, but for our team, most of our players will just hit their peak. Smart will only be 27 28. Brown will be 24, nowhere near his peak. Bradley and Crowder will be 30 and Thomas will be 31/32. That would be a team entering their prime and with the King on his way out.

I think we should be more patient with this current team, let them grow, grow with the team!

Re: I won't get fooled again
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 01:58:48 PM »

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Fans have to unfortunately be willing to wait for a long , long time. This is how the NBA unfortunately works. It's not the Red Sox where you can pay more than any other team in the league except for 1 team. It's soooo hard to build a true contender in the NBA.

Re: I won't get fooled again
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There is a chance we get Durant and/or Horford but it's low. You should expect that we don't do much in free agency and hope that we get something big done.

Even if we don't make a big move, this team is full of young players who are only going to get better and was good enough to win 48 games last year.

If it's not meant to be with Durant or another great free agent this year, just sit back and enjoy the ride of watching a team full of high effort players develop and improve.

With the Nets pick the next two years we have the ability to add players that could someday become stars. There isn't a team in the league better set up to develop talented young plays than in Boston. Our team plays hard, plays physical and shares the ball what better environment to grow players.

I'd like to believe that, but with what we've done in the draft the last two years I don't. No faith whatsoever that the Nets picks won't be entirely squandered.
I tend to be more positive, so I'm going to wait to actually see Jaylen Brown on the court for the C's before I write the book on whether our draft picks are entirely squandered.

However, even if you think Ainge is a terrible drafter with this many lottery picks in a row he'd be bound to get at least one, right?
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