lottery teams #3-8 all shopping their picks? what does this mean for us?

[alewilliam789]

https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745318762857959424

League sources tell http://hoopscritic.com that the Celtics' target in trade talks with Philadelphia is Nerlens Noel

Assuming that's what we're after, picks #4-8 are pretty irrelevant. Philly definitely wants #3 to draft Dunn.

Everyone is so hyped about Nerlens, but you look at his stats and they aren't nothing special. As an "elite shot blocker" he only averages 1.5 blocks and his blocks actually decreased from last year to this year. I feel like for Celtics fans that's one of the most enticing aspects of his game. He is a terrible free throw shooter, he has no post game, and there are questions about his attitude. Okafor averaged a half a block less, is just as good of a free throw shooter. He actually has a post game and the tools to improve as a defender. For me it's a clear cut that we should try and trade for Okafor. If not Okafor then grab Monroe at a cheap price.

[CoachBo]

https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745318762857959424

League sources tell http://hoopscritic.com that the Celtics' target in trade talks with Philadelphia is Nerlens Noel

Assuming that's what we're after, picks #4-8 are pretty irrelevant. Philly definitely wants #3 to draft Dunn.

Give me a future #1 and No Knees Noel, and the 3 is yours, Colangelo.

Check that. I may need Smart after Bradley goes to Cleveland with the 16 and the 23 for Kevin Love.

[jpotter33]

Celts have the leverage--they have Dunn at #3. Other teams irrelevant. Except Lakers. But Celts would get Ingram if Lakers picked Dunn.

Exactly this. This is why Philly loving Dunn is a win-win for us. Either we get a trade that we like and agree to or we get Ingram to fall to us.

[Ilikesports17]

https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745318762857959424

League sources tell http://hoopscritic.com that the Celtics' target in trade talks with Philadelphia is Nerlens Noel

Assuming that's what we're after, picks #4-8 are pretty irrelevant. Philly definitely wants #3 to draft Dunn.

Everyone is so hyped about Nerlens, but you look at his stats and they aren't nothing special. As an "elite shot blocker" he only averages 1.5 blocks and his blocks actually decreased from last year to this year. I feel like for Celtics fans that's one of the most enticing aspects of his game. He is a terrible free throw shooter, he has no post game, and there are questions about his attitude. Okafor averaged a half a block less, is just as good of a free throw shooter. He actually has a post game and the tools to improve as a defender. For me it's a clear cut that we should try and trade for Okafor. If not Okafor then grab Monroe at a cheap price.

His numbers as a center were 11 points 8.4 rebounds 2 blocks and 2 steals on 30mpg.

Not elite, but when he was forced to play PF and thus stray far from the rim, his block numbers expectedly went down. Both he and okafor are Centers. Playing them together hurt both of them. That is necessary context. I think that all of those numbers points rebounds blocks and steals were overall inflated by being on Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty Philly but not inflated as much as you might expect due to Okafors presence.

With the Philly bigs its hard to take anything from the stat sheet. They played on a terrible terrible team allowing them to play against lazy offenses and defense and pick up garbage points. We saw it last year when Noel scored like 30 on the Clippers who visibly didnt give a [dang]. However, they also were in terrible systems and put on the floor in lineups where the only other real talent was the other big guy they were entirely incompatible with. Both fared far better when put with a competent point guard and frankly that is being kind to Ish Smith.

So I say look at the skillset and the film youve seen and make a judgement. Every stat with these guys has to come with a ton of context before you can really make anything of it.

[celticinorlando]

Trading the third pick for Noel is just a dumb and crap trade for Boston

[kraidstar]

I wonder what the asking price is on those #6-8 picks.

We have youngish vets on good contracts, and we have later picks in what seems to be a deep though not top-heavy draft. And we need to open up roster spots.

Let's say theoretically Ainge values the players in the 3-8 range about evenly (unlikely, but possible); not having a binkie would give him the freedom to dump #3 to philly or whoever and still get a player he likes if we trade up.

[Moranis]

what if teams want to move their pick to move up?

[Eja117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6M9BhhO9u8

[saltlover]

Celts have the leverage--they have Dunn at #3. Other teams irrelevant. Except Lakers. But Celts would get Ingram if Lakers picked Dunn.

Exactly this. This is why Philly loving Dunn is a win-win for us. Either we get a trade that we like and agree to or we get Ingram to fall to us.

Well, that's assuming Philly makes a trade at all.  But assuming more than one team is interested in Dunn, it helps that a team like Philly, which has a lot of trade pieces and motivation to do something, is one of them.

[chiken Green]

chad ford tweeted this a little while ago:

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745294199046672384

"Celtics (#3), Suns (#4), Wolves (#5), Pelicans (#6), Nuggets (#7), Kings (#8) all shopping their lottery picks"

This competition could make it harder for us to trade our pick for anything decent. On the other hand, we've heard rumors that teams, especially Philly, are enamored with Kris Dunn. Those clubs will likely need that #3 pick to get him, so we still have some leverage.

Also, regardless of what we do with #3, I wonder if there's any chance we trade up to get #6, #7, or #8. Would be nice to get Hield if he slips, or take a flier on Bender; I'd also love to get Deyonta Davis, he has some nice tools and high upside, won't be surprised if he goes earlier than expected.

Thoughts?

IF we drafted a player at 3 and got back in and Grabbed Hield..  wow.. Heaven on earth for me..

[Smokeeye123]

Celts have the leverage--they have Dunn at #3. Other teams irrelevant. Except Lakers. But Celts would get Ingram if Lakers picked Dunn.

Exactly this. This is why Philly loving Dunn is a win-win for us. Either we get a trade that we like and agree to or we get Ingram to fall to us.

Philly already called Simmons today and said they were picking him number 1 overall.

[max215]

It's important to think about the motivation behind every leak. This could be any number of teams--Philly or Chicago seem to be obvious answers--trying to drive down the price to get into the top 8. Perhaps this is true, but there's definitely a reason it's out there.

[kraidstar]

Celts have the leverage--they have Dunn at #3. Other teams irrelevant. Except Lakers. But Celts would get Ingram if Lakers picked Dunn.

Exactly this. This is why Philly loving Dunn is a win-win for us. Either we get a trade that we like and agree to or we get Ingram to fall to us.

Well, that's assuming Philly makes a trade at all.  But assuming more than one team is interested in Dunn, it helps that a team like Philly, which has a lot of trade pieces and motivation to do something, is one of them.

Philly is stupid if they don't do something with that roster.

They're drafting Ben Simmons. They have some other good young prospects. At some point they are going to need to get the stink of losing off of them before it poisons the team long-term. One way to do that is by getting guard help.

Having Embiid, Okafor, Noel, and Simmons playing together makes little sense, and could hurt their future value. We saw what happened in Detroit with too many big men and no good guards.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This is my dream scenario.

We pick Kris Dunn.

We offer Kris Dunn to Philadelphia, along with #16 and 3 second rounders.

Philadelphia then trades a future 1st and Joel Embiid. I believe in Joel Embiid. He's going to be healthy, and he's going to be good.

Sixers don't want it, we keep Kris Dunn until we find someone else who's enamored by him that would pay top dollar. If not, keep him. If he's going to be as good as advertised, I want him. Isaiah is a SG anyway in a PG's body. Let Dunn play point.

[mmmmm]

Trading the third pick for Noel is just a dumb and crap trade for Boston

Certainly.  That would a truly awful, horrible, disgusting overpay.  Noel has only one more year on his contract and even if he had two more years would arguably be just barely worth that pick.

My assumption is that a trade for Noel would be different from that straight up.  We would either be sending something completely different from the #3 pick or we would be getting something additional back with Noel.

A package of Noel plus Saric and a future pick would be closer to what I would be looking for in return for the #3.

Alternatively, I would consider a package of Smart & the #23 (maybe the #16) to be a reasonable package to send for just Noel.