The case against Jaylen Brown

[KG Living Legend]

I'm on record now that we should not draft Brown at #3 overall. Here is what he does well. Very good in transition, Can get to the basket in half court finish and draw fouls. That's about it.

 His jumpshot form is terrible, it's a horrifically slow release as well. If you have watched his games he is not a good defender at all. Below avg free throw shooter, poor 3 point shooter.

 Handles are ok, gets very sloppy at high speeds makes poor decisions. I also do not seeing him being a gym rat, with his high intelligence and many interests off the court.

 Stanley Johnson my binkie from last year is much, much better than Brown and he was drafted #8 overall. Winslow is also better and drafted #10 last year overall. So why in the world would you draft him #3?

 You can even see in these highlights how sloppy his game is. Take a look.

https://youtu.be/Dv95OuqnVk0

Rebuttal 1 - He has now followed Kobe's and Butler's schedule.  Getting up at 5:30am...shows that he is dedicated.

Rebuttal 2 - Each draft is a different animal...draft positions cannot be compared year to year.

I like him a lot...he will be a very good player.

 The 5:30 am stuff is nothing but pre draft hype, if you were his agent you would be saying the same stuff.

 And you absolutely can compare players from different drafts, do you honestly think scouts don't do that, of course they do.

 Bender is no Porzingis.
 Brown is not Winslow or Johnson
 Poeltl is better than Frank the Tank

[KG Living Legend]

 This just in Brown is the most overrated player in the draft more than Bender.

 I can't believe some consider him #3 overall ready. I'd be curious to know how many Cal games you guys have actually seen.

 I'd say I was impressed by his play about 25% of the tone he was on the Court. That 25% makes your really high on him. The other 75%, you said wow, this kid is a long way away from being good.

[steve]

One thing about his shot. He may have a slower release but because he is so explosive he's going to create more space to pull up. He just has to get to Wade's level of shooting.

[Beat LA]

One thing about his shot. He may have a slower release but because he is so explosive he's going to create more space to pull up. He just has to get to Wade's level of shooting.

Even though his form looks fine, the result does not, and just because he's explosive doesn't mean that he'll be able to 'create space' for a jumper at the pro level, at least right now, imo.  Not everyone can do that, and many guys have been great athletes who struggle in the NBA as opposed to college because they don't possess the ball handling and/or footwork necessary to execute such a move, and Brown is definitely deficient in this area as of right now, imo.

[Beat LA]

From Chad Ford regarding Brown's workouts:

"said his performance was stellar. Shot the ball really well. Was in great shape."

Shocking - news at 11 (sarcasm) .

[RedClaw33]

I'm on record now that we should not draft Brown at #3 overall. Here is what he does well. Very good in transition, Can get to the basket in half court finish and draw fouls. That's about it.

 His jumpshot form is terrible, it's a horrifically slow release as well. If you have watched his games he is not a good defender at all. Below avg free throw shooter, poor 3 point shooter.

 Handles are ok, gets very sloppy at high speeds makes poor decisions. I also do not seeing him being a gym rat, with his high intelligence and many interests off the court.

 Stanley Johnson my binkie from last year is much, much better than Brown and he was drafted #8 overall. Winslow is also better and drafted #10 last year overall. So why in the world would you draft him #3?

 You can even see in these highlights how sloppy his game is. Take a look.

https://youtu.be/Dv95OuqnVk0

You left out ideal size, solid defender with all-defense potential, high IQ, and great work ethic. 
*We also desperately need someone other than IT who can penetrate and get to the line.

If you look at all of these characteristics we could be talking about Jimmy Butler.

[KG Living Legend]

 Ideal size for what? He stinks at hoops. I here you though if you take him it's because you like his ability to get to the stripe, and POTENTIAL on defense.

 

[droopdog7]

You can pretty much make a case against of them (especially after the top 2).

[RedClaw33]

You can pretty much make a case against of them (especially after the top 2).

This is typical for the weeks leading up to the draft...as we get closer everyones weaknesses become more and more glaring...I listened to a podcast last night where they thought that Simmons was going to be a bust because of his broken jump shot. 

At some point people need to identify what they can do...

Bender = Has length/size and speed so he can switch on D...he does have great court vision. '
Murray = Can score...he can shoot from outside
Brown = Is athletic, has good size/length and can defend, has a high IQ
Chriss = Is athletic and has good size
Hield = Can shoot with range, great work ethic and motor
Dunn = Has length/size for the point, can pass, can run an offense, is athletic, can defend

(Did I just talk myself into Dunn?...#%*)

[passesofftodj]

I don't see how anyone who has watched college hoops could want to pick Brown over Dunn.  Brown at 3 is a reach.  He seems like a smart guy but I never saw him do much on the court in college.  I'm not sure he is the best NBA prospect on his college team.

[Chris22]

Brown looks good to me. I'm fine with him or Dunn or Chriss.

[Chris22]

I don't see how anyone who has watched college hoops could want to pick Brown over Dunn.  Brown at 3 is a reach.  He seems like a smart guy but I never saw him do much on the court in college.  I'm not sure he is the best NBA prospect on his college team.

Dunn is older and we have two point guards.

[RedClaw33]

I don't see how anyone who has watched college hoops could want to pick Brown over Dunn.  Brown at 3 is a reach.  He seems like a smart guy but I never saw him do much on the court in college.  I'm not sure he is the best NBA prospect on his college team.

Dunn is older and we have two point guards.

Don't we just have one point guard and Turner is a free agent.

[Chris22]

I don't see how anyone who has watched college hoops could want to pick Brown over Dunn.  Brown at 3 is a reach.  He seems like a smart guy but I never saw him do much on the court in college.  I'm not sure he is the best NBA prospect on his college team.

Dunn is older and we have two point guards.

Don't we just have one point guard and Turner is a free agent.

Terry Rozier?

[passesofftodj]

So we should pass on the next Westbrook/Wade to take the next Jeff Green because of Terry Rozier?  Got it.....

All that matters is finding the star, not the position.  The Celtics need a #1 and a #2.  I don't see Brown's ceiling as either.  I'd rather have Bender even.