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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2016, 01:15:20 PM »

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Regret regret regret.  That's what would happen if that deal went down.  MUUUCH rather have Smart and Damion Jones at that future first.  Much rather have Smart, T. Prince and that future first.  Much rather have Smart, Sabonis and that future first...

I admit, I'd rather have Smart by himself than Love.  Smart helps Cleveland more than Love helps the Celtics.  I'm tired of the crappy defense from our bigs. 

I am in the don't help Cleveland camp.  Almost any deal with the Cleveland would absolutely help them and make it even harder to beat them in the next couple years. 

Let them improve themselves with some other team's stud.  I'd rather they beat us that way than with Marcus, Bradley, etc..


Love will deliver the Celtics.....nowhere.

+1.....If we make Cleveland stronger for the next few years, that coincides with Love's window for helping us.

I'm very much against this, even though I think that Love would be a good fit here, unless we get two other stars. (Durant, Butler, Horford, Howard)

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2016, 01:57:22 PM »

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Regret regret regret.  That's what would happen if that deal went down.  MUUUCH rather have Smart and Damion Jones at that future first.  Much rather have Smart, T. Prince and that future first.  Much rather have Smart, Sabonis and that future first...

I admit, I'd rather have Smart by himself than Love.  Smart helps Cleveland more than Love helps the Celtics.  I'm tired of the crappy defense from our bigs. 

I am in the don't help Cleveland camp.  Almost any deal with the Cleveland would absolutely help them and make it even harder to beat them in the next couple years. 

Let them improve themselves with some other team's stud.  I'd rather they beat us that way than with Marcus, Bradley, etc..


Love will deliver the Celtics.....nowhere.

+1.....If we make Cleveland stronger for the next few years, that coincides with Love's window for helping us.

I'm very much against this, even though I think that Love would be a good fit here, unless we get two other stars. (Durant, Butler, Horford, Howard)

Even if it was a three team deal that would hand them someone like Melo, who is arguably an even worse fit than Love?
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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2016, 02:08:25 PM »

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Love has value.  He's still the second-best player on the Cavs, even if they misuse him.  I expect Ainge to look to sign Durant and/or Horford first and revisit the idea of giving the Cavs a lowball offer for Love if free agency doesn't pan out.

Love would be an adequate replacement for Sullinger's post defense.  He wouldn't be asked to try to compensate for the gaping hole that is Kyrie Irving on defense, but to compensate for his deficiencies, you want to keep with the strong perimeter defense provided by Crowder and Bradley.

I would look for a third team (and maybe a fourth) to flip some of those draft picks for established players to send to Cleveland.  Imagine if the Celtics keep #3, offer the other picks to put together a pupu platter that might look something like Taj Gibson, KJ McDaniels, and Robert Covington, and toss in James Young and RJ Hunter.  I'd expect Cleveland to say no, but that's the sort of initial offer I would consider: pieces that Cleveland can use to acquire multiple role players and we can either make it contingent on lining up deals or just hand over the picks and let the Cavs figure it out.  Cleveland can ask for guys like Olynyk and maybe even Smart, but I'd want to hold on to Crowder and Bradley.
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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2016, 02:50:04 PM »

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Love is still a great offensive rebounder and a good perimeter shooter. The popular idea that he's garbage in this board makes about as much sense as this board's infatuation with the Euromistake.

If Ainge wants him, make a quality offer. It's CERTAINLY a better use of the 3 than Dragan No D.
Is he really still a great offensive rebounder? His Offensive rebounding numbers have been just OK for the last 3 years.
His rebounding has really gone down the crapper since the injury, which is the main reason I couldn't convince myself he was worth mortgaging the house for last offseason.

Smart, 16, and one of our future firsts, I may be convinced. However, it seems you can't have a deal without including Johnson and Jerebko for salary purposes, which sucks.

To be clear:  It is his offensive rebounding that has gone in the crapper, and it probably has more to do with the way CLE uses him than the injury.

Love's ORB% was already declining steadily in Minnesota, from 15.1% as a rookie down to 8.5% his last year there before bottoming out at 6.5% & 7.0% as a Cav.

This anti-correlates perfectly with Loves increasing 3PAr (ration of 3PT shots to FGA) climbing from just 2.8% his rookie season all the way up to 44.9% last year.   Basically, he's been told to stand outside the arc on offense -- this makes it very difficult to grab ORBs, naturally.

On the defensive end, Love's DRB% is still very, very good, at 28.4% this last year.  That's only slightly down from his career average of 29.1%.    For comparison, Sullinger (27.0%) and Lee (20.4%) posted the highest DRB% numbers on our roster last year.   So Love is still an excellent rebounder on the end of the court where he plays closer to the hoop.

On what to offer for him, I tend to agree with your general take.    The players we have that they would seemingly be interested in would likely be veterans like Crowder, Bradley or Smart.   So I expect one of them would have to go in the deal.   I doubt they are too interested in one of this year's draft picks since they need help now, so probably a future pick would be preferable to them over current picks & baby players.

Alternatively, we play the middle-man and move picks & young players to a third team, which sends some desired veteran(s) to CLE.
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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2016, 03:17:00 PM »

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it seems like the Cavs are a better team without him. I don't base that entirely on last night's game either. He has been benched for the entire 4th quarter by multiple coaches this season. How is he their second best player?

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2016, 11:41:08 AM »

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it seems like the Cavs are a better team without him. I don't base that entirely on last night's game either. He has been benched for the entire 4th quarter by multiple coaches this season. How is he their second best player?
He is not better than TT either. I for one don't want him. I would stick with KO. I think he is going to Explode this year. Hopefully in Feb when the Kings are 10th in West boogie comes east.
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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2016, 11:49:45 AM »

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Yes. People here and in general are too idiotic and short sighted to see so though.

He's an allstar that would immediately be the best player on our team that fills a need and would want to play here. But he had a below average last few games, got concussed, so now hes bad. Basement GM's are funny.

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2016, 12:00:39 PM »

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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2016, 12:03:40 PM »

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Heck yes, you pursue him. Big time upgrade for your front court.

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2016, 12:04:03 PM »

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Yes. People here and in general are too idiotic and short sighted to see so though.

He's an allstar that would immediately be the best player on our team that fills a need and would want to play here. But he had a below average last few games, got concussed, so now hes bad. Basement GM's are funny.

Exactly.

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2016, 12:06:53 PM »

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Yes. People here and in general are too idiotic and short sighted to see so though.

He's an allstar that would immediately be the best player on our team that fills a need and would want to play here. But he had a below average last few games, got concussed, so now hes bad. Basement GM's are funny.

It's not just about how good or great Kevin Love is.  We could easily trade for Love, win the deal on paper, and simultaneously make it impossible to beat Cleveland in the ECF for the next 3 years..

Here is an example:  Some have suggested giving up Bradley and Crowder (and more) for Love.  (I think we lose that deal on paper but let's say I'm wrong and on paper we win that deal.  And let's say what follows is best case scenario:  we sign Horford and also Durant.  Then this is who meets in the ECF:

Irving, Delly, Mo Williams
Bradley, JR. Smith, Delly
Lebron, Crowder, JR Smith, R. Jefferson
Crowder, Lebron, TT, Frye
TT, Mozgov, Lebron

That team would crush:

IT, Smart, Rozier
Smart, ET
Durant, ET
Love, KO, Mickey
Horford, Amir

We might not get a shot off...


Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2016, 12:07:09 PM »

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it seems like the Cavs are a better team without him. I don't base that entirely on last night's game either. He has been benched for the entire 4th quarter by multiple coaches this season. How is he their second best player?
He is not better than TT either. I for one don't want him. I would stick with KO. I think he is going to Explode this year. Hopefully in Feb when the Kings are 10th in West boogie comes east.

LOL. Let me know how that's going when KO has scored 10 points in the last 6 games.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2016, 12:11:46 PM »

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Regret regret regret.  That's what would happen if that deal went down.  MUUUCH rather have Smart and Damion Jones at that future first.  Much rather have Smart, T. Prince and that future first.  Much rather have Smart, Sabonis and that future first...

I admit, I'd rather have Smart by himself than Love.  Smart helps Cleveland more than Love helps the Celtics.  I'm tired of the crappy defense from our bigs. 

I am in the don't help Cleveland camp.  Almost any deal with the Cleveland would absolutely help them and make it even harder to beat them in the next couple years. 

Let them improve themselves with some other team's stud.  I'd rather they beat us that way than with Marcus, Bradley, etc..


Love will deliver the Celtics.....nowhere.

+1.....If we make Cleveland stronger for the next few years, that coincides with Love's window for helping us.

I'm very much against this, even though I think that Love would be a good fit here, unless we get two other stars. (Durant, Butler, Horford, Howard)

And conversely, Cleveland doesn't want to help US. If I were them, I'd be fairly scared to make a trade like:

 Love to Boston, WCS to Cleveland, #3 +#16 to Kings, #8 to Boston, AB to Cleveland

Because it helps us so dramatically to replace AB with Love. It could still happen, but I'm guessing that they would try to send Love out west.

Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2016, 12:11:50 PM »

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The Cavs are better without love because he and Lebron play the same position and the Cavs' second best big man is an undersized center who can't really protect the rim.
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Re: Should we pursue Kevin Love now?
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2016, 12:18:07 PM »

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Regret regret regret.  That's what would happen if that deal went down.  MUUUCH rather have Smart and Damion Jones at that future first.  Much rather have Smart, T. Prince and that future first.  Much rather have Smart, Sabonis and that future first...

I admit, I'd rather have Smart by himself than Love.  Smart helps Cleveland more than Love helps the Celtics.  I'm tired of the crappy defense from our bigs. 

I am in the don't help Cleveland camp.  Almost any deal with the Cleveland would absolutely help them and make it even harder to beat them in the next couple years. 

Let them improve themselves with some other team's stud.  I'd rather they beat us that way than with Marcus, Bradley, etc..


Love will deliver the Celtics.....nowhere.

+1.....If we make Cleveland stronger for the next few years, that coincides with Love's window for helping us.

I'm very much against this, even though I think that Love would be a good fit here, unless we get two other stars. (Durant, Butler, Horford, Howard)

And conversely, Cleveland doesn't want to help US. If I were them, I'd be fairly scared to make a trade like:

 Love to Boston, WCS to Cleveland, #3 +#16 to Kings, #8 to Boston, AB to Cleveland

Because it helps us so dramatically to replace AB with Love. It could still happen, but I'm guessing that they would try to send Love out west.

Perfect example (in my humble opinion) of helping the Cavs to a juggernaut team..  You have up #3, #16 and AB for Love and #8.  And added AB and WCS to the team that wiped out Golden State two nights ago. Cleveland would continue to cream us for 3 more years.  Let them botch some deal we're not involved in....They're the ones desperate (reportedly) to trade him.