James Young: Third time Lucky Charm?

[elcotte]

Whoever we get with our two early 2nd round picks is probably more likely to become a productive NBA player than Young at this point, so he probably should be cut over the summer. The roster slot is more valuable than he is.

Do you mean because whomever will be 2-4 years older than Young?

Majority of freshmen or sophomores we pick would be younger or the same age. Juniors and Seniors would be 1, 2 or in some extreme cases 3 years younger.

But your factual discrepancies notwithstanding, the important thing is that none of these prospects have had an opportunity to prove that they can't preform at the NBA level. Young has for two years.

And yours withstanding, thusly and heretofore: Young is younger than 2/3 of the second rounders listed on Draft Express mock to use as an example. And you are correct, none of them have proven that they can play at an NBA level. Not one.

[D Dub]

what is the over under on the # of jumpers James Young gets up per day this offseason?

[CoachBo]

Chuckle.

This blog consistently clings to scrubs like Young. He has no business on this roster. He has had his chance and blown it.

Cut him.

[oldtype]

Whoever we get with our two early 2nd round picks is probably more likely to become a productive NBA player than Young at this point, so he probably should be cut over the summer. The roster slot is more valuable than he is.

Do you mean because whomever will be 2-4 years older than Young?

Majority of freshmen or sophomores we pick would be younger or the same age. Juniors and Seniors would be 1, 2 or in some extreme cases 3 years younger.

But your factual discrepancies notwithstanding, the important thing is that none of these prospects have had an opportunity to prove that they can't preform at the NBA level. Young has for two years.

And yours withstanding, thusly and heretofore: Young is younger than 2/3 of the second rounders listed on Draft Express mock to use as an example. And you are correct, none of them have proven that they can play at an NBA level. Not one.

There's a difference between being unproven and having proven that you can't do it.

[nickagneta]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

I am pretty sure third year players can not play in the Summer League but perhaps someone can double check that.

As for Young, as much as people are lauding his three point shooting in the D League, his shot regressed there last year and regressed here in the NBA. Also, he shot the 3 at a jared Sullinger rate at the NBA level. That's not good for a SG.

But where people are losing perspective is in Young's overall game. His defense is abysmal. He isn't a good passer. He isn't very good at creating space to get his shot off or to drive the ball to the basket. He gets lost on both ends of the court watching the ball rather than being where he should be, killing spacing on offense and giving up easy baskets on defense.

Even if he improves his shooting at the NBA level, he still is a major net negative on the court, hence why he has never received playing time. His roster spot will be too valuable to keep him on the team. You don't cut him and waste cap space to open up that roster spot, you use him as salary filler in another trade or you trade him to another team who has cap space with a second rounder or money so the other team can cut him.

That's what is going to happen. He is gone next year. If Danny can't trade his first rounders for a star, Young is gone because he has to keep this year's rookies. If Danny does trade those first rounders for a star, Young will be included or he will be traded in another trade to get more cap space to give potential free agents to add to that star he traded for and his current team.

I don't think there's any limit like that for Summer League, didn't Delonte West play for the Clippers summer league team a year or two ago?

Edit: Yup, looks like he did in 2014

Generally the Summer League is just for first and second year players and unsigned free agents. Delonte was an unsigned free agent at the time. I wouldnt expect James Young to be in the Summer League this year as he is a third year player

[bopna]

Young is a bust and im coming around that DA once again failed to get the better prospect like Hood over James im so calm with my smooth stroke i cant do anything else Young.

[ahonui06]

Young is a bust and im coming around that DA once again failed to get the better prospect like Hood over James im so calm with my smooth stroke i cant do anything else Young.

The thought of Rodney Hood and Marcus Smart is amazing. Too bad.

[BitterJim]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

I am pretty sure third year players can not play in the Summer League but perhaps someone can double check that.

As for Young, as much as people are lauding his three point shooting in the D League, his shot regressed there last year and regressed here in the NBA. Also, he shot the 3 at a jared Sullinger rate at the NBA level. That's not good for a SG.

But where people are losing perspective is in Young's overall game. His defense is abysmal. He isn't a good passer. He isn't very good at creating space to get his shot off or to drive the ball to the basket. He gets lost on both ends of the court watching the ball rather than being where he should be, killing spacing on offense and giving up easy baskets on defense.

Even if he improves his shooting at the NBA level, he still is a major net negative on the court, hence why he has never received playing time. His roster spot will be too valuable to keep him on the team. You don't cut him and waste cap space to open up that roster spot, you use him as salary filler in another trade or you trade him to another team who has cap space with a second rounder or money so the other team can cut him.

That's what is going to happen. He is gone next year. If Danny can't trade his first rounders for a star, Young is gone because he has to keep this year's rookies. If Danny does trade those first rounders for a star, Young will be included or he will be traded in another trade to get more cap space to give potential free agents to add to that star he traded for and his current team.

I don't think there's any limit like that for Summer League, didn't Delonte West play for the Clippers summer league team a year or two ago?

Edit: Yup, looks like he did in 2014

Generally the Summer League is just for first and second year players and unsigned free agents. Delonte was an unsigned free agent at the time. I wouldnt expect James Young to be in the Summer League this year as he is a third year player

I don't necessary think he will be, either, I was just responding that it is possible for him to be there.

If he's on the edge of making the roster, who knows.  Chris Johnson played on the summer league team 2 years ago despite it being his third season and being under contract with the team.

Best parallel I can find real quick is PJIII and Jeremy Lamb from OKC in 2014.  Both were entering their third season with the team, and under very similar contract situations to Young (entering year 3 of 1st rounder contracts), and both played in the summer league

If he does play, it's probably a sign that he won't last much longer on the team (especially if he does poorly), but there's plenty of precedence for it happening, especially if Danny is thinking about cutting him

[flybono]

Bust

[Big333223]

I still haven't given up. Not with the skill set he showed in college and the D-League and with his age. I say throw him into the deep end this season. If he still can't swim, let him drown someplace else but we knew he was a project when he was drafted. 3 seasons is a fair amount of time to test out a project.

[hpantazo]

When we drafted James Young, it was widely accepted that he was about 3 years away from being ready to contribute as a pro. It has been two years. He is pretty much right were he was expected to be from that timeline. I'm not giving up at all, he needs at least another year to develop.

[crimson_stallion]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

I am pretty sure third year players can not play in the Summer League but perhaps someone can double check that.

As for Young, as much as people are lauding his three point shooting in the D League, his shot regressed there last year and regressed here in the NBA. Also, he shot the 3 at a jared Sullinger rate at the NBA level. That's not good for a SG.

But where people are losing perspective is in Young's overall game. His defense is abysmal. He isn't a good passer. He isn't very good at creating space to get his shot off or to drive the ball to the basket. He gets lost on both ends of the court watching the ball rather than being where he should be, killing spacing on offense and giving up easy baskets on defense.

Even if he improves his shooting at the NBA level, he still is a major net negative on the court, hence why he has never received playing time. His roster spot will be too valuable to keep him on the team. You don't cut him and waste cap space to open up that roster spot, you use him as salary filler in another trade or you trade him to another team who has cap space with a second rounder or money so the other team can cut him.

That's what is going to happen. He is gone next year. If Danny can't trade his first rounders for a star, Young is gone because he has to keep this year's rookies. If Danny does trade those first rounders for a star, Young will be included or he will be traded in another trade to get more cap space to give potential free agents to add to that star he traded for and his current team.

I don't think there's any limit like that for Summer League, didn't Delonte West play for the Clippers summer league team a year or two ago?

Edit: Yup, looks like he did in 2014

Generally the Summer League is just for first and second year players and unsigned free agents. Delonte was an unsigned free agent at the time. I wouldnt expect James Young to be in the Summer League this year as he is a third year player

Haha so even his summer league has closed the door on James Young before he was able to prove anything? 

Wow, that's embarrassing lol

[crimson_stallion]

When we drafted James Young, it was widely accepted that he was about 3 years away from being ready to contribute as a pro. It has been two years. He is pretty much right were he was expected to be from that timeline. I'm not giving up at all, he needs at least another year to develop.

Sorry to break it to you - but he has no hope.  He never had any hope.  He's a one dimensional player who has zero talent outside of siting on the perimeter and chucking up threes. 

His youth was the only reason anybody even dreamed up the idea of him having potential...and that fountain of youth is slowly running down.

Right now we are hoping and praying that he can find enough talent within himself to develop into a half decent rotation player - like a 2nd or 3rd man off the bench.  That's the hope right now.  Anybody who ever even dreamed of him being able to be a star or a quality starter has pretty much given up long ago.

Men McLemore minus the athleticism and the defence - that's pretty much Young's ceiling.

[LooseCannon]

When we drafted James Young, it was widely accepted that he was about 3 years away from being ready to contribute as a pro. It has been two years. He is pretty much right were he was expected to be from that timeline. I'm not giving up at all, he needs at least another year to develop.

He was a horrible pick because his best-case scenario was inefficient volume scoring wing with crap defense.  I may be biased because that is the skill set that I despise the most.  I don't want the Celtics to take any no-defense scoring wings with any of their draft picks this year.

There are no rules that say that third-year players can't play in Summer League.  Montiejunas, Solomon Hill, and Alec Burks are some guys I found with a quick Google search.

It will probably be a competition in training camp.  Young is legitimately someone who could get cut (or traded for a top-55 draft pick if another team wants him) in favor of a rookie drafted in the second round.

[86MaxwellSmart]

We saw SOME good minutes from him this year...Stevens had confidence in him for about 2 weeks. Bradley and Perkins both took a long time to develop, and they were older than James Young when they finally got serious court time.