James Young: Third time Lucky Charm?

[__ramonezy__]

I have faith in Danny and CBS. Young's inability to get time this year is a testament to CBS ability to coach up players like crowder, ET and IT and not necessarily simply because he "sucks" . CBS himself said Young has improved drastically. The only time you give up on young is when he stops improving, because his ceiling is still ridiculously high.

This is hopeful, have we got a source?

His defense has improved, it’s night and day from when he came in [as a rookie],” Stevens said before the game. “Just like in our situation with all our bigs, there’s a lot of competition back there as far as playing time goes. He’s doing a good job. He’s progressing the right way, getting stronger, working on his ball-handling. He works on his shooting. Defensively, just systematically, the game has slowed down quite a bit for him.”

Young, in his second season, remains the youngest player on the roster, having just turned 20 in August.

[spikelovetheCelts]

James Young is just the latest example of how Ainge's drafting acumen is wildly overrated on this board.

Bust.

Lol he was considered a good pick by many, just because someone doesnt pan out it means Ainge is a bad drafter.

Funny an arrogant statement like this comes from someone who has defended Michael Beasley repeatedly. If you need an example of a bust, Beasley is a good one.

Beasley has been more successful in the league than Young will ever be. Thanks for making my point about Ainge's overrated drafting ability. He is at best average, hardly the draft savant he's made out to be on this board, and if he drafts Bender, his record will plummet.

Beasley was the number two pick in the draft. Young has a sweet stroke and is still 20. He will get shot if he is cut loose. Hopefully he plays in Summer league to improve his stock.

[crimson_stallion]

Good lord no...

He's the only guy on this team who has worse body language and a lower motor then Jared Sullinger...but at least Sully has skills.

Young doesn't have the talent or the mentality to be an NBA player.  He's completely incapable of contributing in any way beyond being a spot up shooter, and he hasn't even been able to manage that yet.

He needs to go to a galaxy far, far away.  Trade him to the Nets for one of their future firsts - he'll help them suck for the next 3 years until they give up on him too haha

[manl_lui]

Young to me was a long term project. He still has potential and is only 20 years old. I say if this year he doesn't pan out, it's time to cut ties with him. For the 16th pick, there really wasn't much choices at that time anyways. I am leaning towards bust but I say this year is absolutely critical for him, considering our guard rotation and possibly adding a few more from the draft. It'd be very sad if the new recruits are outplaying him, then I wouldn't even wait for his 3rd year to be over and just ax him there.

[crimson_stallion]

I say last year was already critical for him.  Smart, Rozier, Hunter and Mackey all look likeven they're far closers to being NBA players then Young.

He has no potential, he is a nobody.  He'll be lucky to be in the league 2 years from now.

[oldtype]

Whoever we get with our two early 2nd round picks is probably more likely to become a productive NBA player than Young at this point, so he probably should be cut over the summer. The roster slot is more valuable than he is.

[Vermont Green]

I put Rozier ahead of Young but not Hunter.  That is not saying much.  I have no problem with the original pick.  He was worth the risk in my opinion.  It is unsettling that you still have no idea how he will turn out.  There are flashes of improvement but not much else.

If he gets bumped by someone better and we cut him, so be it.  It is not that big a deal.  I think he will be like Gerald Green.  At a minimum, he will be around the NBA for a while and he may even be good when is is say 25 in 2021.

[slamtheking]

James Young is just the latest example of how Ainge's drafting acumen is wildly overrated on this board.

Bust.

This post is wildly overrated.  Not a great acumen.  Bust.

very much so.  seems the various responses to this post are along the same lines.  was thinking I was the only one that noticed the usual venomous spew for said poster.  The day he comes up with what Danny should do as opposed to just critiquing the results long after the fact will be a first.  Other than being anti-Bender, very curious if something will be mentioned as to who the pick should be or if recommending a trade, who specifically would be obtainable for a reasonable cost.  of course that could result in the loss of credibility in defending Michael Beasley so I don't think that we'll see anything concrete being offered.

to the topic,
Young very well may be a bust but when he was drafted I figured he'd need his first 2 years to get acclimated to the league.  seems he needed all of that time if not more of the upcoming season to do so.  Wanted Hood at that pick but didn't have an issue with Young.  At that point, it's a crapshoot and Danny does well more often than not.

[Evantime34]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

[ahonui06]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

[elcotte]

Whoever we get with our two early 2nd round picks is probably more likely to become a productive NBA player than Young at this point, so he probably should be cut over the summer. The roster slot is more valuable than he is.

Do you mean because whomever will be 2-4 years older than Young?

[nickagneta]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

I am pretty sure third year players can not play in the Summer League but perhaps someone can double check that.

As for Young, as much as people are lauding his three point shooting in the D League, his shot regressed there last year and regressed here in the NBA. Also, he shot the 3 at a jared Sullinger rate at the NBA level. That's not good for a SG.

But where people are losing perspective is in Young's overall game. His defense is abysmal. He isn't a good passer. He isn't very good at creating space to get his shot off or to drive the ball to the basket. He gets lost on both ends of the court watching the ball rather than being where he should be, killing spacing on offense and giving up easy baskets on defense.

Even if he improves his shooting at the NBA level, he still is a major net negative on the court, hence why he has never received playing time. His roster spot will be too valuable to keep him on the team. You don't cut him and waste cap space to open up that roster spot, you use him as salary filler in another trade or you trade him to another team who has cap space with a second rounder or money so the other team can cut him.

That's what is going to happen. He is gone next year. If Danny can't trade his first rounders for a star, Young is gone because he has to keep this year's rookies. If Danny does trade those first rounders for a star, Young will be included or he will be traded in another trade to get more cap space to give potential free agents to add to that star he traded for and his current team.

[oldtype]

Whoever we get with our two early 2nd round picks is probably more likely to become a productive NBA player than Young at this point, so he probably should be cut over the summer. The roster slot is more valuable than he is.

Do you mean because whomever will be 2-4 years older than Young?

Majority of freshmen or sophomores we pick would be younger or the same age. Juniors and Seniors would be 1, 2 or in some extreme cases 3 years younger.

But your factual discrepancies notwithstanding, the important thing is that none of these prospects have had an opportunity to prove that they can't preform at the NBA level. Young has for two years.

[BitterJim]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

Agreed. Celtics have so much picks in the next few years he is expendable.

I am pretty sure third year players can not play in the Summer League but perhaps someone can double check that.

As for Young, as much as people are lauding his three point shooting in the D League, his shot regressed there last year and regressed here in the NBA. Also, he shot the 3 at a jared Sullinger rate at the NBA level. That's not good for a SG.

But where people are losing perspective is in Young's overall game. His defense is abysmal. He isn't a good passer. He isn't very good at creating space to get his shot off or to drive the ball to the basket. He gets lost on both ends of the court watching the ball rather than being where he should be, killing spacing on offense and giving up easy baskets on defense.

Even if he improves his shooting at the NBA level, he still is a major net negative on the court, hence why he has never received playing time. His roster spot will be too valuable to keep him on the team. You don't cut him and waste cap space to open up that roster spot, you use him as salary filler in another trade or you trade him to another team who has cap space with a second rounder or money so the other team can cut him.

That's what is going to happen. He is gone next year. If Danny can't trade his first rounders for a star, Young is gone because he has to keep this year's rookies. If Danny does trade those first rounders for a star, Young will be included or he will be traded in another trade to get more cap space to give potential free agents to add to that star he traded for and his current team.

I don't think there's any limit like that for Summer League, didn't Delonte West play for the Clippers summer league team a year or two ago?

Edit: Yup, looks like he did in 2014

[chilidawg]

If he doesn't absolutely kill it in summer league this year, I think he will probably be headed overseas.

He gets training camp too, which is more important, but I agree he's got to really show something more to stick.