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Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2016, 10:45:45 PM »

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You sound like an old cranky white guy complaining about the pettiest stuff that's different to your day.

Are you an old white guy?
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Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2016, 11:18:40 PM »

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I d have to say Turr ble  Turr ble  Thread ...... ;)

Smart is a good kid .

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2016, 11:42:53 PM »

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Speaking of dads are any of you Marcus' dad? It's ok son. You can shoot at historically horrid levels and I'll still love you?  You can get hurt every year and not really improve and it's ok as long as you try your hardest.

Anyone?

You can have an Alanis Morisette avatar and expect me to respect your opinion on Marcus Smart?

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2016, 12:04:59 AM »

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giving up on Smart this early would be foolish, imo. This dude already brings elite D and seems to make people better on defense. I think he has a chance of making it to one of the all-defense teams.

On offense, his scoring has a long way to go but for some reason, i feel like he makes clutch shots. His playmaking has also improved (nowadays, it seems like he drives to make the pass). He hasn't progressed as quickly as we had hoped but i still think he's a promising prospect.
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Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2016, 12:09:48 AM »

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I've always been partial to defense-first guys, junkyard dogs, etc. Smart irritates me like crazy with the flops and his total lack of skill, though. I'm still convinced he has bad hands -- explains the shooting, inability to finish with finesse at the rim, and lack of a handle.

Even with bad hands, though, he should be able to use his body to create contact in the lane. He lacks a quick first step, too, but that also shouldn't keep him from penetrating -- Crowder is a good example.

He makes big time plays with hustle and defense and he seems to show up in big moments. I think he thinks he's better than he is, which is troublesome, if only because it could keep him from developing. Not sure he realizes how bad he is offensively. If this hasn't already happened, someone should sit him down and tell him that he really blows about 90% of the time on all things related to scoring.
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Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2016, 01:18:13 AM »

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There are two things I dont like about Smart- Shot selection and flops.

Flops- I think he should flop less, because the refs doesnt give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. Not flopping will make the refs call more fouls in his favor therefore improving his defensive capabilities and offensive production.

Shot selection, I dont like the hurried threes, I am fine with the misses if they come from within the offense. His finishing is bad right now but if he starts getting the calls he will be successful still.

His shooting and finishing just needs to be at a decent level (aka pre-injury crowder levels) to be a very very useful player, because he does a ton of things. And those two things are something he can work on.

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2016, 06:16:26 AM »

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As seems to always be the case, I'm seeing all of the Marcus Smart arguments fall on either one or the other extreme.  Everybody either loves him way more then he deserves, or hates him way more then he deserves.

The reality is that Smart has both sides to him. 

On one side of things Smart is fearless, he's tough, he's a tireless worker, he has an infinite motor.  He lives for the big moments and seems to always lift his game in the clutch.  He loves doing all the dirty work (fighting for loose balls, rebounds, etc) that most guys are afraid to do.  He wins is a ton of extra possessions at key moments in games because of his hustle and physicality.  He's improved this year as both a passer and a ball handler, and is doing a much better job at getting to the line as well.  He takes pretty good care of the ball and has had a very solid assist:turnover ratio ever since he came into the league. He ranks among league leaders in charges taken - a huge stat since a charge not only gives your team possession, it also counts a foul against the opposing team.

On the other side of things Smart is extremely undisciplined.  His shot selection is terrible more often then not.  He's hot tempered and struggles to keep himself composed in the heat of the moment, which often hurts the team. He has a tendancy to commit ill advised fouls at the very moment when the last thing you want is an ill advised foul.  He tends to throw up contested threes early in the shot clock when all you want/need is a high percentage two.  He's extremely inconsistent on the offensive end - probably the most inconsistent player on the team.   He flops way too much (often they are laughably badly acted) to the point where he is starting to lose all respect from officials.  He complains so much that he's among league leaders in technical fouls (which offsets the charges taken - because it adds a foul against your team AND gives the other team possession and a foul shot).  He is a horrendously poor shooting 90% of the time, can't finish around the basket unless he is wide open, and has no midrange game to speak of.

Personally, I feel that right now Marcus Smart's strength outweigh his weaknesses - however he's walking a fine line, and there are moments where he crosses over to the point where I feel the opposite is true. 

He needs to start by becoming more disciplined he needs to improve his emotional intelligence and his decision making.  Specifically, he needs to be smarter at deciding when to shoot, when to flop, and when to argue/complain.  Those things are all mental, so if he really puts his mind to it he should be able to slowly make that change.  IF he can do that, it'll go a LONG way to convincing me that he has a long future on this team. 

If he can develop his offensive ability, then that's just a bonus. 

If he continues with the poor discipline, I'll be concerned about him becoming a less talented and shorter version of Rasheed Wallace.

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2016, 06:30:02 AM »

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As seems to always be the case, I'm seeing all of the Marcus Smart arguments fall on either one or the other extreme.  Everybody either loves him way more then he deserves, or hates him way more then he deserves.

The reality is that Smart has both sides to him. 

On one side of things Smart is fearless, he's tough, he's a tireless worker, he has an infinite motor.  He lives for the big moments and seems to always lift his game in the clutch.  He loves doing all the dirty work (fighting for loose balls, rebounds, etc) that most guys are afraid to do.  He wins is a ton of extra possessions at key moments in games because of his hustle and physicality.  He's improved this year as both a passer and a ball handler, and is doing a much better job at getting to the line as well.  He takes pretty good care of the ball and has had a very solid assist:turnover ratio ever since he came into the league. He ranks among league leaders in charges taken - a huge stat since a charge not only gives your team possession, it also counts a foul against the opposing team.

On the other side of things Smart is extremely undisciplined.  His shot selection is terrible more often then not.  He's hot tempered and struggles to keep himself composed in the heat of the moment, which often hurts the team. He has a tendancy to commit ill advised fouls at the very moment when the last thing you want is an ill advised foul.  He tends to throw up contested threes early in the shot clock when all you want/need is a high percentage two.  He's extremely inconsistent on the offensive end - probably the most inconsistent player on the team.   He flops way too much (often they are laughably badly acted) to the point where he is starting to lose all respect from officials.  He complains so much that he's among league leaders in technical fouls (which offsets the charges taken - because it adds a foul against your team AND gives the other team possession and a foul shot).  He is a horrendously poor shooting 90% of the time, can't finish around the basket unless he is wide open, and has no midrange game to speak of.

Personally, I feel that right now Marcus Smart's strength outweigh his weaknesses - however he's walking a fine line, and there are moments where he crosses over to the point where I feel the opposite is true. 

He needs to start by becoming more disciplined he needs to improve his emotional intelligence and his decision making.  Specifically, he needs to be smarter at deciding when to shoot, when to flop, and when to argue/complain.  Those things are all mental, so if he really puts his mind to it he should be able to slowly make that change.  IF he can do that, it'll go a LONG way to convincing me that he has a long future on this team. 

If he can develop his offensive ability, then that's just a bonus. 

If he continues with the poor discipline, I'll be concerned about him becoming a less talented and shorter version of Rasheed Wallace.

I agree with your assessment and I think he will develop his offense and become a solid all around NBA player.

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2016, 07:19:33 AM »

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Speaking of dads are any of you Marcus' dad? It's ok son. You can shoot at historically horrid levels and I'll still love you?  You can get hurt every year and not really improve and it's ok as long as you try your hardest.

Anyone?

You can have an Alanis Morisette avatar and expect me to respect your opinion on Marcus Smart?
You don't believe in God?

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2016, 07:22:57 AM »

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You sound like an old cranky white guy complaining about the pettiest stuff that's different to your day.

Are you an old white guy?
I identify as a getting to middle age Irish American. Reparations for the Irish!  As a quasi Irish Bostonian I don't have to put up with Marcus' phony hustle and adore him for it any more.

In church they learned us you know a tree by the fruit it bears and Marcus isn't bearing good fruit and Heaven knows he's had long enough.  Give him a cig and a drink and send him on his way and say a prayer for him.

You sound like an English baby boomer that believes in giving participation trophies to everyone for showing up. Are you an English baby boomer?
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Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2016, 07:26:46 AM »

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With the 6th pick we were supposed to get an all star. Instead we got Avery Bradley without the work ethic.

Junk yard dog = can't play.

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2016, 08:25:06 AM »

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Rozier is not Smart. Smart is elite at something already and may develop to be more. Rozier is a good prospect but needs a lot of development across the board. Smart is a starter for a team that needs a guard defender. Rozier is an off the bench player right now. Both are almost the same exact age.

Rozier is not Smart. But his offense is already better than Smart's, and he is better in the open court. I think that Bradley, Smart and Rozier are all complementary players.  However, there is a good chance that one of them is dealt in the offseason.  Who would gain more of a return?  I think that Smart or Bradley are part of a package.  Who would you keep?  I think it depends on who you get in return.
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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2016, 08:30:31 AM »

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You sound like an old cranky white guy complaining about the pettiest stuff that's different to your day.

Are you an old white guy?


Why all the race comments lately. Who cares about his ethnicity?
Seriously?

You don't have to agree with the post, but you should consider the points.

Moderators need to do a better job on this forum.  :(
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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2016, 08:53:33 AM »

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With the 6th pick we were supposed to get an all star. Instead we got Avery Bradley without the work ethic.

Junk yard dog = can't play.

JYD disagrees with you.



This one does, too



Marcus Smart is going to prove you wrong, Mister. And then he'll treat you out to dinner, pay the tab and gloat over it. ;D

Re: Why I don't like M Smart any more for the foreseeable future.
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2016, 08:54:27 AM »

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This is the dumbest thread I see for the foreseeable future.  Critics lol.  How about the kid is young and has some growing up to do. How about opposing coaches that rave about his elite defense that according to someone who sits on his couch to watch the games calling his defense declining. We already gave away one one elite defensive guard in TA and we'd be even bigger fools to give up on a young stud like MS because he flops smh.

Get a grip :laugh: :laugh:
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