Dragan Bender

[walker834]

Bender is still raw and experience wise i hear what you are sayiing. But Stevens has worked wonders before. He has the talent to do it.  Marcus came in the same way and Stevens has been able to play him despite his drawbacks so far.

Marcus can't shoot a lick but still managed to get on the court as much as he did because of his talent and we were able to win games.

Bender isn't draymond green but draymond came on pretty quick.  I don't know how you can say that either way right now.

Draymond and Marcus are guys who rely on their smarts and craftyness in other ways and have nba ready bodies, but Bender has some of that.  He's just skinny.

He'd be more of a challenge but I don't see how you can say that either way even still.

[kozlodoev]

Bender is still raw and experience wise i hear what you are sayiing. But Stevens has worked wonders before. He has the talent to do it.  Marcus came in the same way and Stevens has been able to play him despite his drawbacks so far.

Marcus can't shoot a lick but still managed to get on the court as much as he did because of his talent and we were able to win games.

Bender isn't draymond green but draymond came on pretty quick.  I don't know how you can say that either way right now.

Draymond and Marcus are guys who rely on their smarts and craftyness in other ways and have nba ready bodies, but Bender has some of that.  He's just skinny.

He'd be more of a challenge but I don't see how you can say that either way even still.

Green was 22 when he came in the league and was built like a tank. Bender is years away just from having an NBA-ready body. And then we have to figure whether he can play in the NBA.

[walker834]

Brad Stevens card pulled.

[walker834]

Don't you want to see what Stevens can do with an 18 year old phenom though?  Gordon Hayward.  Dragan Bender.  Simmons is good too.  But I like the sneakyness of Bender. he is sneaky good.  I need to shut up though.  I just read Philly is now considering him with their top pick because of Porzingis last year.

Draymond Green was another guy i was hyped for though too before anyone knew who he was.  Could be wrong about Bender but I don't know. I'm wrong every so often.  I hyped up Yi jianlian and Royce White pretty good.  Was a fan of jeff green too because of his upside.

It's difficult to measure a guy like Bender's heart this way or how a player is going to develop. You never know.  Situations whatever but with a coach like STevens I'd feel much better taking a chance on a guy like that.

I think Stevens could be good for Simmons too but I'd rather take a player that isn't as set in his ways and can do more in ways as far as style if I had a coach like Stevens.

[walker834]

Speaking of Royce White I still don't know why his game didn't translate to the nba.  He had social anxiety and issues flying or something. But the guy was a beast in college, had an nba body and never did anything in the nba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrzVBDoneZI

I don't think I was wrong that he has talent.  jeff Green is the same thing in ways and had a heart defect.  I think Yi had issues with the language or something. 

I don't like seeing players with talent like that fail.  It's more situation and special needs for certain players like that.

I don't think there are any red flags on  bender so far overly or haven't heard of any but who knows.  He is a foreign prospect and 18 years old.  There may be better players with more drive than him in this draft.  Guys like Ingram and Hield seem to play really hard.  Simmons also appears driven although he didn't really care about college.  Kris Dunn is definately driven and as far as mental makeup is really good that way.

[Big333223]

The only thing with Bender is that, as kozlodoev said, there would have to be patience from the fans bceause it would probably be 2 seasons before we start to see what he's capable of in the NBA. He's 16 months younger than Ben Simmons and his body is clearly not even close to being done developing.

He might be the third best player in the draft if it Ainge sees it that way, we should take him. But then we're going to have to be patient bringing him along.

[budMovin]

The only thing with Bender is that, as kozlodoev said, there would have to be patience from the fans bceause it would probably be 2 seasons before we start to see what he's capable of in the NBA. He's 16 months younger than Ben Simmons and his body is clearly not even close to being done developing.

He might be the third best player in the draft if it Ainge sees it that way, we should take him. But then we're going to have to be patient bringing him along.

Agreed. The last thing we need is to do is throw him to the wolves like Darko and Tskitishvili were in their first years. I really like the way the Spurs approach things. Stashing their Euro prospects oversees for several years until they are ready to hit the ground running, although they are almost always picking in the the late 20s.

[walker834]

bender at 16 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qurn1LIowK0

"I don't have muscles like these other guys but I play good"  Plus he bends dragons.

Kukoc is his favorite player.

[TA9]

I would be soooo disappointed if we picked Bender. Sure he is a talent, but we haven't been very good at developing the "raw" guys that we have picked before (oh Fab, why didn't it work out). I would be more comfortable if we picked a guy who is more "NBA-ready".

[Jvalin]

I can't really think of a fair comp to Bender.

How about Darko Milicic?

Bender has bust written all over him. He is just living off the hype of Porzingis.

[walker834]

Here's the only darko scouting video i could fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUI-_DNASU

They look nothing alike to me but if bender were to put on weight who knows.  Darko looks heavy in those scouting videos and like he is trying too hard.

My description of Bender is the opposite.  He looks skinny and like everything is too easy.

Darko basically has absolutely no burst on his moves and is anything but fluid if i were to scout that.

Bender is  fluid and seems to easily get by defenders.

As Bender and his body matures it's hard to tell at this point.  That much is true.  But as far as prospects they are nothing alike.

[walker834]

Tom Brady has to keep his body in ridiculous shape to play at that level.   If BRady was fat he'd suck too.

Darko was a jerk who blew all his money on booze and women.

For all we know right now Simmons could end up like Derrick Coleman. 

The point of scouting these guys is to scout their abilities.  It's difficult to guage their hearts and personalities this way but one would hope. It's stupid to say this guy or that guy has bust written all over them though because we don't know that yet.

Different players deal differently with weight and some handle it better than others. Brady is the type of guy who really has to keep his body fit to play at that level.  But so would anyone that age. So does Tim Duncan I would imagine.

Darko was a drinker or something and was slow as mollassas and was hyped up.

I don't see how bender has bust written all over him except people are just comparing him to Darko with no logic or reasoning whatsoever.

To my knowledge Bender doesn't have any red flags like that.

[Jvalin]

Here's the only darko scouting video i could fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUI-_DNASU

They look nothing alike to me but if bender were to put on weight who knows.  Darko looks heavy in those scouting videos and like he is trying too hard.

My description of Bender is the opposite.  He looks skinny and like everything is too easy.

Darko basically has absolutely no burst on his moves and is anything but fluid if i were to scout that.

Bender is  fluid and seems to easily get by defenders.

As Bender and his body matures it's hard to tell at this point.  That much is true.  But as far as prospects they are nothing alike.

I was not referring to their style of play. My point is that Darko was considered to be a top prospect and he ended up being a bust. I think that’s gonna be the case with Bender as well.

In terms of skill set and style of play I ’d say Bender reminds me of Bargnani.

[walker834]

Here's the only darko scouting video i could fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUI-_DNASU

They look nothing alike to me but if bender were to put on weight who knows.  Darko looks heavy in those scouting videos and like he is trying too hard.

My description of Bender is the opposite.  He looks skinny and like everything is too easy.

Darko basically has absolutely no burst on his moves and is anything but fluid if i were to scout that.

Bender is  fluid and seems to easily get by defenders.

As Bender and his body matures it's hard to tell at this point.  That much is true.  But as far as prospects they are nothing alike.

I was not referring to their style of play. My point is that Darko was considered to be a top prospect and he ended up being a bust. I think that’s gonna be the case with Bender as well.

In terms of skill set and style of play I ’d say Bender reminds me of Bargnani.

Look at those highlights though.  Darko looks like he is drunk lol.  I didn't like Darko. Bender looks nothing like that.

Simmons has just as much ability to end up like Derrick Coleman as Bender does Darko if they do stupid stuff.  The objective is that they don't though.

What you are saying has no reasoning to it. There are reasons why Darko ended up that way.

[Jvalin]

Here's the only darko scouting video i could fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUI-_DNASU

They look nothing alike to me but if bender were to put on weight who knows.  Darko looks heavy in those scouting videos and like he is trying too hard.

My description of Bender is the opposite.  He looks skinny and like everything is too easy.

Darko basically has absolutely no burst on his moves and is anything but fluid if i were to scout that.

Bender is  fluid and seems to easily get by defenders.

As Bender and his body matures it's hard to tell at this point.  That much is true.  But as far as prospects they are nothing alike.

I was not referring to their style of play. My point is that Darko was considered to be a top prospect and he ended up being a bust. I think that’s gonna be the case with Bender as well.

In terms of skill set and style of play I ’d say Bender reminds me of Bargnani.

Look at those highlights though.  Darko looks like he is drunk lol.  I didn't like Darko. Bender looks nothing like that.

Simmons has just as much ability to end up like Derrick Coleman as Bender does Darko if they do stupid stuff.  The objective is that they don't though.

What you are saying has no reasoning to it. There are reasons why Darko ended up that way.

Well, time will tell. If it was up to me I wouldn’t touch Bender. Unless we end up in the top 2, I 'd try to trade the pick for a proven star (ideally for Butler). Assuming no star is available via trade on draft night, I guess I 'd like us to pick Brown.