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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2016, 10:31:38 PM »

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That's even more amazing if he is 18.  I didn't know that. I feel hyped for Bender.

Something about this draft

Maker is an impressive physical specimen but most of his highlights are him doing things he shouldnt be doing.  He's dribbling between his legs against scrubs and just I don't know.  He doesn't strike me as KG. He doesn't have that kind of quickness. It just looks like he does.

Hield shoots like curry but he's a sg.  he can take players off the dribble with quickness, but he doesn't have the distribution skills, ball handling  and other facets of his game Curry does. He's primarily a great shooter. I'm really fine with Bradley's development in ways.  I've said my concerns about hield in other threads but if he is more a patient shooter would be better.  He's also not a great defender like Bradley.

Ellenson is what I'm saying he is.  He's not Kevin Love. He's not even David lee.  He's Harangody on steroids.

SAbonis should make a very good center but not really my style.  It's also going to take him a bit.

Simmons is what I'm saying he is.  He'll be a top player in the NBA but it really depends on what type of top player.  He's a glorified Rondo or Turner right now.  He's Lebron but not as much ****. Could be great here with Stevens but I am not 100 percent sold.

So is Ingram.  He's a very good scorer and does other things but he isn't on Durant's level.  He'd fit us in ways though.

We don't need another pg in Dunn

Brown is good too but we don't need him. He makes more sense than Dunn in that he can attack the rim though which Smart really can't right now and neither can bradley. We have Crowder though. He's the anti Hield.  Can't shoot but can really attack the rim.

If Bender is 18 I'm taking him.  Going after a free agent center to replace Amir maybe and make trades as we see fit.  I still like our core team. Go Danny go.

Kevin Love, Durant, Horford are all out there still... Who knows but I like Bender right now.  We have KO which makes it kind of a weird pick but bpa he has to be up there.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2016, 10:54:36 PM »

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I can't really think of a fair comp to Bender.
How does he compare to Dario Saric?  Are they similar at all?

Taller, longer, much more defensively inclined than Saric. Saric has better handles and offensive control but Bender has better shooting mechanics (although both are solid).

Bender is like a tall skinny version of Draymond Green and Saric is more of a point forward with straight line drives like Jeff Green.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2016, 10:56:36 PM »

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We need size and shooting this offseason.  Ainge is going to address that I feel in other ways. I don't think Ainge is going to just trade our pick though.  If he can take a player that can help us longterm and also fill our other needs he'd do that.

If ainge is high enough to get a player like one of the top guys he isn't going to just trade it either.

We have so many picks and cap space. 

Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2016, 10:59:55 PM »

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He's definitely special.
The reason I think he'll appeal to us is his defensive versatility and three point range.
He can guard the pick and roll and switch onto shooters very, very well.
He's also go dribble ability and can be a legitimate stretch five in the NBA.

Danny will bring him in for workouts and we'll also see some more workouts online soon once he comes over to the USA for pre draft stuff.

Brad and Danny will get a lot of time to watch him in the gym and talk to him etc...
If they go with Bender it means they see something special.

We are pretty lucky that we're mathematically getting a 46% chance at one of Simmons, Ingram or Bender, with Hield, Brown, Dunn as the 'scraps', lol.

Chambers, you seem to know a lot about Bender. Do you have access to any of his full games? My interest has been piqued by the scouting videos I've seen, and those whose opinions I trust (Giving, Schmitz, O'Connor, etc.) all seem to love him, but I'd like to see some full games for myself if possible.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2016, 11:28:54 PM »

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That's even more amazing if he is 18.  I didn't know that. I feel hyped for Bender.

According to Wikipedia, Bender's DOB:
November 17, 1997 (age 18)

Yes, he's definitely 18.  Won't even be 19 when the draft rolls around in May.  I guess because he's an international, it doesn't matter if he's 19 yet.

Bender making it easy as he scores 43 points.  To be fair the level of comp looks very low:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrXB3Lcung

DraftExpress breaks down his strengths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqxuDfvse8

DraftExpress examines weaknesses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhREj9q-UpM

Lists scoring ability, defense, and rebounding.  Umm hello, if those are all weaknesses why is he a top 5 prospect in the entire draft.  Isn't that what most of basketball about?  LOL.

Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2016, 11:31:06 PM »

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That's even more amazing if he is 18.  I didn't know that. I feel hyped for Bender.

According to Wikipedia, Bender's DOB:
November 17, 1997 (age 18)

Yes, he's definitely 18.  Won't even be 19 when the draft rolls around in May.  I guess because he's an international, it doesn't matter if he's 19 yet.

Bender making it easy as he scores 43 points.  To be fair the level of comp looks very low:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrXB3Lcung

DraftExpress breaks down his strengths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqxuDfvse8

DraftExpress examines weaknesses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhREj9q-UpM

Lists scoring ability, defense, and rebounding.  Umm hello, if those are all weaknesses why is he a top 5 prospect in the entire draft.  Isn't that what most of basketball about?  LOL.

You have to be 19 by the end of your draft year. On December 31, 2016, he'll be 19, so he's eligible.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2016, 11:45:52 PM »

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You have to be 19 by the end of your draft year. On December 31, 2016, he'll be 19, so he's eligible.

TP.  Now it makes sense!

But that just shows Bender is extremely young.
But I've NEVER seen the Celtics draft an international that early in the draft before.

I would be shocked if he's the pick at #3. 
I'm just hoping we win a top 2 pick so we won't have to worry about Bender gamble.

Bender European stats all competitions:
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

Kristaps Porzingis stats all competitions:
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kristaps-Porzingis/Summary/32861#International

Do the stats mean anything?  Who was more advanced prospect at the same age?

Porzingis battle vs Towns.  Pretty epic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg8Qzjms3Tw
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2016, 12:07:55 AM »

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Here's the appeal with Bender: He has potential to be an inside/outside threat on both ends. He has great length for a PF (his natural position), which will let him score inside vs smaller 4's. It seems he can really shoot it (astrisk), and he can distribute on the perimeter, face up and blow by his man with that quickness, drive closeouts. Defensively he's got elite lateral quickness for a 7 footer, which will let him switch screens and hedge hard. He lacks some strength which limits his potential as a center, but he does have the length and mentality to mix it up and bang in the post.

All that said, there are some significant question marks. #1 being: is his shot for real? He only has a small sample of 3's last year at around 40%, from a shorter 3pt line, and before last year he was a bad shooter. Sometimes guys just run hot for a stretch of 20 games. No doubt Bender will be a threat, but is his shooting good enough to be his primary weapon in the NBA?

#2: will he be able to rebound his position? He played a lot on the perimter, which has hurt his rebounding humbers, but even still they look pretty poor. He might not have the nose for the ball that you want to see in a big man.

#3: can he score inside vs NBA bigs? With Bender's lack of strength or advanced post moves, it's easy to see him failing to become an inside threat. Combined with #1, it's not clear that Bender will be a positive on the offensive end. And it's not clear that he can make up for it by being elite as a defender; he's a good but not great shotblocker.

Overall, I still really like Bender, but he's a bit of an unknown. So much hinges on his workouts. If he kills it in workouts, shoots the lights out, shows some stuff that he didn't get a chance to use in Israel, I could see him going as high as #2. If he doesn't shoot that well, I could see him slipping to around #7. Big range of outcomes for him, so little solid info.

Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2016, 12:12:37 AM »

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Bender making it easy as he scores 43 points.  To be fair the level of comp looks very low:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrXB3Lcung


That outlet pass at 1:20, oh my god. He should play for the Pats.

Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2016, 12:56:58 AM »

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That's what I'm saying. It's the tom brady in me.  He's 18 and has a lot of weaknesses apparently but something I like about him. I can't measure his heart from videos though.    He may not develop how i envision.

 A lot of people like Bender too.  He isn't Brady that way.   He was pretty hyped early on.  He's been sliding though and forgotten a bit.  From watching highlights he seems to play with toughness to me. 

I just read one article that said he has a great motor and that's his calling card.  And read another one saying he's your typical euro and does not. Those are just opinions though.

From what I see he seems to play with a certain something.  People want to write him off like he's Darko and I can see that but I don't know. He's totally different than Darko as far as his skillset.

The issue I see is we have KO who I like a lot.  Danny will have to do his homework.  I can see us drafting him or a team like Minnesota.  Even the Lakers could take him.

It will be interesting how it all falls.  Simmons, Ingram and guys like Bender who is a darkhorse.  He's 18 and is going to be somewhat of a project.

Certain players do things that jump off the screen.  Rozier does that. Marcus did the year before.  Bender does too. I'm not talking about hype either.  Thon Maker is hype. Could be good but I see a lot more hype there.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2016, 01:41:18 AM »

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I also think he has the ability in the halfcourt.  I was reading somewhere he doesn't but this is one advantage he has over KO.  KO primarily scores off the ball.  Bender has the ability to face up, jab step and shoot over defenders with his length or spin. He can also post and score on spin moves.  He can take you off the dribble and pass like KO does from the perimeter. He's faster in transition and makes passes off rebounds like you just saw. KO is a good shooter.  They are similar. KO can also score off lobs and has some nifty shots in the lane. But Bender can actually face up like Gasol does.  I don't think I ever see KO do that.  He should but he doesn't.  I think KO lacks quickness that way sometimes.  But has more size at this point. Bender is a quicker more versatile version of KO.   With KO, Sully and Bender it would be weird but could work.  We might opt for a guy more like Cousins though who is a real force inside.  Cousins does that can can face up and has ridiculous  size.

 I like Simmons.  I like Cousins.  I'm starting to like Bender a lot though.  He has length and can do some of the stuff Simmons does in the open court.  He can do a lot of things.  He can shoot.  He has the athletic ability to block shots.  He's 18 years old.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2016, 01:43:52 AM »

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I'd be happy with Bender at 3, Labissiere at 16, and Maker at 23.

It's the ultimate upside draft. if ONE of those guys pans out, we're set.

Of course, I'd prefer either Simmons or Ingram to Bender. I really like Sabonis too. If we get 1 or 2, I'd prefer Simmons/Ingram, Sabonis, and Maker. If you told me 10 months ago that drafting Bender, Maker, and Labissiere in the same draft were possible, I'd not have believed you.

Honestly, I really like a lot of the guys in this draft from around 14-24, and we pick 2x in that range. Tons of upside in the late first round this year.
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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2016, 01:51:28 AM »

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If all goes right for Dragan, he could be what AK-47 should've been. Kiralinko in his prime was an AMAZING player who could do almost anything. Bender has that kind of potential.

If we land outside the top two but inside the top 5, and we can't move the pick, I'd be happy to have him. He's becoming underrated around these parts. Very raw, but very high potential. And his bust potential isn't as high as you might think.

Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2016, 02:01:23 AM »

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If we were to do something like that I'd more think Ainge would look to make a trade.  I don't think Ainge likes to waste picks and just pick players with that mindset of one of these guys will pan out.  I haven't even looked at 16 or 24 yet.  But I more think its about getting the guy we want with our top pick.  I also think Ainge would make a trade if he could. He tried for Winslow.  He also tried for Okafor I think.  Trying unload so me of these extra picks.

I think Ainge would like to get a player this draft.  I also don't think he's opposed to trading for the right players but this offseason is really it.  I think Ainge is going to try to get the best combination he can.

I'd take Bender right now as my guy.  Maybe look to make a trade for a wing and another big.  Ainge might opt to trade our top pick for Kevin love or Cousins for all i know. He might opt for Simmons or even hield. 

I dont know if i see Skal or Thon sliding that far either. But if they do Ainge might look to deal.

Taking bender and trying to deal 16 and 24 for a center or wing would make sense to me.  I like our current team as I've said.  I'm not trying to unload our current core.  I'd rather add to it.

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Re: Dragan Bender
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2016, 02:11:39 AM »

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The way I see it is we have a top 5 pick. Thats going to turn into the best possible situation.  BEnder, Simmons, Cousins, Love whatever.  Take your pick but the object is to get the best player that fits us who we want.  The hype says this guy or that guy but I'm not listening to that.  I put Bender on that list and would even put him at the top of that list if i feel like he is the best we can do.  I don't do things like we have to take Simmons because someone says so. I would take who i think is the best player for us period or trade for it.

I havent even looked at 16 or 24 yet but its the same thing.  Those picks aren't going anywhere but it's the same thing.

ainge could see it totally different and be enamored with Buddy Hield for all i know. I like him too but Bender seems to make more sense to me right now.  I dont see bender as kirilenko though. never was that big on him.  I see Bender as a real sleeper superstar potentially right now.  I can change my mind, depending on information that comes in, but that's what I see.

I think he's the 7'1 basketball equivalent of tom brady basketball jesus right now but that's me.
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