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Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2016, 10:15:27 PM »

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Don't Cousins and Durant hate each other?
I think getting Cousins here would out a lot of players off coming here as free agents tbh.
Our old friend Kevin Garnett is considered one of the biggest jerks in the nba but him being on a team makes it a winner

Kevin Garnett was a league MVP and was never considered a quitter.

Not true.

Sczerbiak publically criticised KG for not being a good leader, for being too passive, and for not having the balls to take big shots.

Until KG came to Boston and won a title, he was constantly criticised for not being able to carry his teams far enough. 

He was also constantly criticised for his personality and attitude.

It wasn't until he came to Boston and won a title that suddenly everybody's opinion of him changed and he went from being "that guy who can't win / lead" to being "that guy who is a winner / leader". 

Even when he came to Boston, Doc was constantly trying to push him to be more aggressive on offense and to take more shots rather than always deferring to teammates.

As the saying goes, winning changes everything in this league.

IT when he was in Sacramento was looked at as a black hole, a chucker and a borderline team cancer.  Two years on a winning Boston team (with a good coach) and IT is voted an All-Star and is getting respect around the league.

If Cousins was traded to Boston and we made the finals next year (or won a title) then everybody's opinion of him would change and he would go from "crybaby loser" to "passionate winner".

This is hands down the biggest piece of revisionist-history I have ever read on this board.

The Timberwolves made the playoffs for 8 consecutive seasons with Garnett, during that time he made an all rookie team, he was voted to seven all-NBA teams, eight all-defensive teams, won an olympic gold medal, set an NBA record for leading his team in defensive rebounds for 5 consecutive seasons, became the first player in NBA history to be named NBA player of the month for four months in a single season, made 12 consecutive all-star games, became the third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistical categories, was named all star game MVP once, was named league MVP once, and made the Western Conference finals.  All that happened BEFORE Garnett ever made it to the Celtics.

Demarcus Cousins by comparison has never been on a team that's broken the vaunted 30 win barrier and has made two all star games. He was voted a reserve this year, and named as a replacement for the injured Kobe Bryant by the league in 2015.  He holds the NBA record for getting coaches fired in consecutive seasons (5).

Most of the accolades you list for KG were achieved later in his career when he was getting towards his late 20s and was putting up huge numbers.

When he was Cousin's age (mid 20s) his numbers were nowhere near as impressive as DMC's are right now, and once again (as I have said about a million times) he wasn't playing for a team with the King's level of dysfunction.

The Wolves weren't ever really that dysfunctional, they just weren't that great. 

People also underestimate the talent on those Wolves rosters.  They were by no means incredible, but KG played with some pretty solid players.  Terell Brandon, Sam Cassell, Wally Sczerbiak, Latrell Sprewell, Joe Smith, Stephon Marbury, Bobby Jackson, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Peeler, Troy Hudson, Ricky Davis.

Sure not all of those guys were huge stars, but it's not like he spent his entire career playing with scrubs. 

You also need to consider the fact that the NBA was different in those days.  You didn't really have teams with 3 superstars - Boston kinda started that whole thing when Pierce, KG and Ray joined forces, and before that the big two-man combinations (e.g. Kobe and Shaq) were about as talented as teams got.

It's not like now where every second team seems to have three superstars - now days it's very hard for a team with one star to be really competitive.  There are exceptions (e.g. Boston) but those teams tend to have outstanding coaches and a special set of players which allows the team to over-perform. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Cousins has had no talent - he has had Tyreke Evens, Isaiah Thomas, Rajon Rondo, Rudy Gay - he's had some solid players too.  But he's never had any more talent then say, Anthony Davis has this year (Gordon, Tyreke, etc) and yet Davis hasn't taken the Pelicans any further - even when they were healthy. 

KG's last two Timberwolves teams missed the playoffs and finished with records in the 0.400 range, so you can't really argue that the previous teams ONLY went far because of him - if having him on the team made them an instant playoff team, why did those last two teams do no better than Cousins has this year?

I'm not trying to criticise KG or underrate his brilliance as a player.  As I've said previously, KG is actually my favourite NBA player of all time - hell, I would take him back on the Celtics right now if he'd come. 

I'm just trying to demonstrate the fact that Cousins is in a disaster of a situation, and I don't think it's fair to put all that blame on him until you've seen him outside of that environment.  If he goes to another half normal team and still has the same problems, then fine.  But so far he has played his entire career for what may be the most dysfunctional team in all organised sports, he's never had a mentor to point him in the right direction or to show him how he should act, and he's never an ounce of stability around him.  For a guy as competitive and emotional as Cousins, putting him in a volatile situation like that is asking for trouble - you may as well just flip the switch and hit "detonate" right now.

Tyrke came in to the NBA putting up 20/5/5 for the Kings and looking like a future superstar, and I always felt that being in Sacramento for so long stunted his growth.  Cousins has flourished in Sacramento which I think is a testament to his incredible talent and his high work ethic - you don't become that good by being lazy and not working hard. 

Guys can ook very different depending on environments.  Evan Turner was seen as a really talented young player when he was in Philly - he was a starting calibre guy who looked like he had real upside.  Then half a season in Indiana was all it took to pretty much destroy his career, and to see him labelled as a team cancer.

Then he came to Boston, and his career has been completely revitalised in this positive environment.  Similar things happened with guys like Marcus Thornton and Jamal Crawford - both were seen as cancers for their previous horrible teams (Kings, Wizards) then when they came to Boston their reputations improved significantly.

I think Cousins deserves a chance to prove he can be a better man, and I think that Boston is probably THE best place for him to do that.  I don't think there is a single coach in the NBA who is both as good AND as easy going as Stevens.  He's lax enough to keep Cousins calm, and his talented enough to earn his respect.  I think he's well worth the shot.
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Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2016, 10:15:45 PM »

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My dream scenario:

Wall/IT/Rozier
Pierce/Hunter
Crowder/ Vet Free agent/
Cousins/Mikey
Whiteside/Olynyk

I'd be happy camper lol


Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2016, 10:19:53 PM »

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My dream scenario:

Wall/IT/Rozier
Pierce/Hunter
Crowder/ Vet Free agent/
Cousins/Mikey
Whiteside/Olynyk

I'd be happy camper lol

Cousins is a center

WCS is the PF for Sacramento

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2016, 10:26:16 PM »

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My dream scenario:

Wall/IT/Rozier
Pierce/Hunter
Crowder/ Vet Free agent/
Cousins/Mikey
Whiteside/Olynyk

I'd be happy camper lol

Cousins is a center

WCS is the PF for Sacramento

False, Cousins is currently playing PF and WCS is currently playing C

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2016, 10:29:31 PM »

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My dream scenario:

Wall/IT/Rozier
Pierce/Hunter
Crowder/ Vet Free agent/
Cousins/Mikey
Whiteside/Olynyk

I'd be happy camper lol

Cousins is a center

WCS is the PF for Sacramento

False, Cousins is currently playing PF and WCS is currently playing C

Is that what the box score officially says?

Cousins guards the centers, and should be on the block

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #80 on: March 16, 2016, 10:32:46 PM »

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yeah the box score officially has it that way.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2016, 11:15:30 PM »

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yeah the box score officially has it that way.

Makes sense to me.

With Cousins ball handling ability, passing ability and outside shooting ability he makes a lot more sense at the PF spot (IMHO) than WCS does.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #82 on: March 16, 2016, 11:18:49 PM »

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My dream scenario:

Wall/IT/Rozier
Pierce/Hunter
Crowder/ Vet Free agent/
Cousins/Mikey
Whiteside/Olynyk

I'd be happy camper lol

Because you have the rights to have them as the cast of a reality show that gets better ratings the more drama there is?

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #83 on: March 16, 2016, 11:51:10 PM »

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This thread is hilarious and frustrating at the same time.

The T-Wolves were not a good organization at all. Anyone who says they were, wasn't paying attention to them.  Saying the Wolves were a well ran franchise is the real revisionist history.

Without KG those teams would have been bottom feeders like the kings.

The difference is KG raised the level of play of his teammates, while DMC doesnt.

Demarcus has the attitude of a loser. It's always someone else's fault. It's the bad coaches fault. It's the organizations fault. It's the refs fault. He blames everyone instead of looking at himself.

KG drug those teams to the playoffs. Look at the rosters, it wasn't as if KG was gifted a playoff berth for eight years.

Demarcus is a whiner and the farthest thing from a leader.

As others have said, it is laughable to compare the two players. Kevin is the epitome of a selfless player who gives literally everything he had on the court, while DMC has an ego so big he thinks he can take plays off and disrespect just about every coach he has ever had.

It shocks me how many people act like he is a victim.

I was a huge DMC fan before this season, but I see now what kind of player he really is.

6 years of bad seasons. He plays a role in that.

He knew what he was signing up for when he signed his deal.

If he thought it was so bad he should have left.



Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2016, 11:54:52 PM »

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Don't Cousins and Durant hate each other?
I think getting Cousins here would out a lot of players off coming here as free agents tbh.
Our old friend Kevin Garnett is considered one of the biggest jerks in the nba but him being on a team makes it a winner

Kevin Garnett was a league MVP and was never considered a quitter.

Not true.

Sczerbiak publically criticised KG for not being a good leader, for being too passive, and for not having the balls to take big shots.

Until KG came to Boston and won a title, he was constantly criticised for not being able to carry his teams far enough. 

He was also constantly criticised for his personality and attitude.

It wasn't until he came to Boston and won a title that suddenly everybody's opinion of him changed and he went from being "that guy who can't win / lead" to being "that guy who is a winner / leader". 

Even when he came to Boston, Doc was constantly trying to push him to be more aggressive on offense and to take more shots rather than always deferring to teammates.

As the saying goes, winning changes everything in this league.

IT when he was in Sacramento was looked at as a black hole, a chucker and a borderline team cancer.  Two years on a winning Boston team (with a good coach) and IT is voted an All-Star and is getting respect around the league.

If Cousins was traded to Boston and we made the finals next year (or won a title) then everybody's opinion of him would change and he would go from "crybaby loser" to "passionate winner".

This is hands down the biggest piece of revisionist-history I have ever read on this board.

The Timberwolves made the playoffs for 8 consecutive seasons with Garnett, during that time he made an all rookie team, he was voted to seven all-NBA teams, eight all-defensive teams, won an olympic gold medal, set an NBA record for leading his team in defensive rebounds for 5 consecutive seasons, became the first player in NBA history to be named NBA player of the month for four months in a single season, made 12 consecutive all-star games, became the third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistical categories, was named all star game MVP once, was named league MVP once, and made the Western Conference finals.  All that happened BEFORE Garnett ever made it to the Celtics.

Demarcus Cousins by comparison has never been on a team that's broken the vaunted 30 win barrier and has made two all star games. He was voted a reserve this year, and named as a replacement for the injured Kobe Bryant by the league in 2015.  He holds the NBA record for getting coaches fired in consecutive seasons (5).

Most of the accolades you list for KG were achieved later in his career when he was getting towards his late 20s and was putting up huge numbers.

When he was Cousin's age (mid 20s) his numbers were nowhere near as impressive as DMC's are right now, and once again (as I have said about a million times) he wasn't playing for a team with the King's level of dysfunction.

The Wolves weren't ever really that dysfunctional, they just weren't that great. 

People also underestimate the talent on those Wolves rosters.  They were by no means incredible, but KG played with some pretty solid players.  Terell Brandon, Sam Cassell, Wally Sczerbiak, Latrell Sprewell, Joe Smith, Stephon Marbury, Bobby Jackson, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Peeler, Troy Hudson, Ricky Davis.

Sure not all of those guys were huge stars, but it's not like he spent his entire career playing with scrubs. 

You also need to consider the fact that the NBA was different in those days.  You didn't really have teams with 3 superstars - Boston kinda started that whole thing when Pierce, KG and Ray joined forces, and before that the big two-man combinations (e.g. Kobe and Shaq) were about as talented as teams got.

It's not like now where every second team seems to have three superstars - now days it's very hard for a team with one star to be really competitive.  There are exceptions (e.g. Boston) but those teams tend to have outstanding coaches and a special set of players which allows the team to over-perform. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Cousins has had no talent - he has had Tyreke Evens, Isaiah Thomas, Rajon Rondo, Rudy Gay - he's had some solid players too.  But he's never had any more talent then say, Anthony Davis has this year (Gordon, Tyreke, etc) and yet Davis hasn't taken the Pelicans any further - even when they were healthy. 

KG's last two Timberwolves teams missed the playoffs and finished with records in the 0.400 range, so you can't really argue that the previous teams ONLY went far because of him - if having him on the team made them an instant playoff team, why did those last two teams do no better than Cousins has this year?

I'm not trying to criticise KG or underrate his brilliance as a player.  As I've said previously, KG is actually my favourite NBA player of all time - hell, I would take him back on the Celtics right now if he'd come. 

I'm just trying to demonstrate the fact that Cousins is in a disaster of a situation, and I don't think it's fair to put all that blame on him until you've seen him outside of that environment.  If he goes to another half normal team and still has the same problems, then fine.  But so far he has played his entire career for what may be the most dysfunctional team in all organised sports, he's never had a mentor to point him in the right direction or to show him how he should act, and he's never an ounce of stability around him.  For a guy as competitive and emotional as Cousins, putting him in a volatile situation like that is asking for trouble - you may as well just flip the switch and hit "detonate" right now.

Tyrke came in to the NBA putting up 20/5/5 for the Kings and looking like a future superstar, and I always felt that being in Sacramento for so long stunted his growth.  Cousins has flourished in Sacramento which I think is a testament to his incredible talent and his high work ethic - you don't become that good by being lazy and not working hard. 

Guys can ook very different depending on environments.  Evan Turner was seen as a really talented young player when he was in Philly - he was a starting calibre guy who looked like he had real upside.  Then half a season in Indiana was all it took to pretty much destroy his career, and to see him labelled as a team cancer.

Then he came to Boston, and his career has been completely revitalised in this positive environment.  Similar things happened with guys like Marcus Thornton and Jamal Crawford - both were seen as cancers for their previous horrible teams (Kings, Wizards) then when they came to Boston their reputations improved significantly.

I think Cousins deserves a chance to prove he can be a better man, and I think that Boston is probably THE best place for him to do that.  I don't think there is a single coach in the NBA who is both as good AND as easy going as Stevens.  He's lax enough to keep Cousins calm, and his talented enough to earn his respect.  I think he's well worth the shot.

Anthon Davis took his team to the playoffs last year.

How on earth can you say that "and yet Davis hasn't taken the Pelicans any further - even when they were healthy."

Completely false statement that takes a lot of the point you were making away.

Cousins has never even had a winning season.


Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2016, 12:58:53 AM »

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Anthon Davis took his team to the playoffs last year.

How on earth can you say that "and yet Davis hasn't taken the Pelicans any further - even when they were healthy."

Completely false statement that takes a lot of the point you were making away.

Cousins has never even had a winning season.

I was referring to this season, when they had their key guys healthy - they were still playing on par with how the Kings have been.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2016, 01:26:54 AM »

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The KG comp is nice and all, but KG came to Boston and as has been mentioned, changed the culture and became one of the best leaders in the NBA.

We dont need Cousins to do that. we need him to come in put up 25 and 10 nightly and then we need him to not be a cancer to the team.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2016, 02:14:45 AM »

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Just for the record people, Sacramento's records over the past 6 years with and without Cousins in the lineup (ignored rookie year, as he only missed 1 game):


2011/12 Kings
Overall record: 22-44, 0.333 (66 games)
Record with Cousins: 20-44, 0.313 (64 games)
Record without Cousins: 2-0, 1.000 (2 games)


2012/13 Kings
Overall record: 28-54, 0.341 (82 games)
Record with Cousins: 26-49, 0.346 (75 games)
Record without Cousins: 2-5, 0.286 (7 games)


2013/14 Kings
Overall record: 28-54, 0.341 (82 games)
Record with Cousins: 28-43, 0.394 (71 games)
Record without Cousins: 0-11, 0.000 (11 games)


2014/15 Kings
Overall record: 29-53, 0.354 (82 games)
Record with Cousins: 23-36, 0.390 (59 games)
Record without Cousins: 6-17, 0.261 (23 games)


2015/16 Kings
Overall record: 26-40, 0.394 (66 games)
Record with Cousins: 24-32, 0.428 (56 games)
Record without Cousins: 2-8, 0.200 (10 games)


Total Record: 133-245, 0.352 (378 games)
Total record with Cousins: 121-204, 0.372 (325 games)
Total record without Cousins: 12-41, 0.226 (53 games)

Estimated wins per 82 games with Cousins: 30.53
Estimated total wins per 82 games without Cousins: 18.57
Estimated wins added per 82 games with cousins: +11.96

According to pure statistics, Cousins has added an average of about 12 wins per season to his team.

Celtics current win record: 39-29, 0.574 (68 games)
Celtics record projection at current pace: 47-35, 0.573, #4 seed
Celtics record projection with Cousins added (+12 wins): 59-23, 0.720, #1 seed

It ain't perfect, but it's some indication of how much a player of Cousin's calibre can impact a team...or more importantly, impact THIS team. 

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2016, 09:54:42 AM »

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Don't Cousins and Durant hate each other?
I think getting Cousins here would out a lot of players off coming here as free agents tbh.
Our old friend Kevin Garnett is considered one of the biggest jerks in the nba but him being on a team makes it a winner

Kevin Garnett was a league MVP and was never considered a quitter.

Not true.

Sczerbiak publically criticised KG for not being a good leader, for being too passive, and for not having the balls to take big shots.

Until KG came to Boston and won a title, he was constantly criticised for not being able to carry his teams far enough. 

He was also constantly criticised for his personality and attitude.

It wasn't until he came to Boston and won a title that suddenly everybody's opinion of him changed and he went from being "that guy who can't win / lead" to being "that guy who is a winner / leader". 

Even when he came to Boston, Doc was constantly trying to push him to be more aggressive on offense and to take more shots rather than always deferring to teammates.

As the saying goes, winning changes everything in this league.

IT when he was in Sacramento was looked at as a black hole, a chucker and a borderline team cancer.  Two years on a winning Boston team (with a good coach) and IT is voted an All-Star and is getting respect around the league.

If Cousins was traded to Boston and we made the finals next year (or won a title) then everybody's opinion of him would change and he would go from "crybaby loser" to "passionate winner".

This is hands down the biggest piece of revisionist-history I have ever read on this board.

The Timberwolves made the playoffs for 8 consecutive seasons with Garnett, during that time he made an all rookie team, he was voted to seven all-NBA teams, eight all-defensive teams, won an olympic gold medal, set an NBA record for leading his team in defensive rebounds for 5 consecutive seasons, became the first player in NBA history to be named NBA player of the month for four months in a single season, made 12 consecutive all-star games, became the third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistical categories, was named all star game MVP once, was named league MVP once, and made the Western Conference finals.  All that happened BEFORE Garnett ever made it to the Celtics.

Demarcus Cousins by comparison has never been on a team that's broken the vaunted 30 win barrier and has made two all star games. He was voted a reserve this year, and named as a replacement for the injured Kobe Bryant by the league in 2015.  He holds the NBA record for getting coaches fired in consecutive seasons (5).

Most of the accolades you list for KG were achieved later in his career when he was getting towards his late 20s and was putting up huge numbers.

When he was Cousin's age (mid 20s) his numbers were nowhere near as impressive as DMC's are right now, and once again (as I have said about a million times) he wasn't playing for a team with the King's level of dysfunction.

The Wolves weren't ever really that dysfunctional, they just weren't that great. 

People also underestimate the talent on those Wolves rosters.  They were by no means incredible, but KG played with some pretty solid players.  Terell Brandon, Sam Cassell, Wally Sczerbiak, Latrell Sprewell, Joe Smith, Stephon Marbury, Bobby Jackson, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Peeler, Troy Hudson, Ricky Davis.

Sure not all of those guys were huge stars, but it's not like he spent his entire career playing with scrubs. 

You also need to consider the fact that the NBA was different in those days.  You didn't really have teams with 3 superstars - Boston kinda started that whole thing when Pierce, KG and Ray joined forces, and before that the big two-man combinations (e.g. Kobe and Shaq) were about as talented as teams got.

It's not like now where every second team seems to have three superstars - now days it's very hard for a team with one star to be really competitive.  There are exceptions (e.g. Boston) but those teams tend to have outstanding coaches and a special set of players which allows the team to over-perform. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Cousins has had no talent - he has had Tyreke Evens, Isaiah Thomas, Rajon Rondo, Rudy Gay - he's had some solid players too.  But he's never had any more talent then say, Anthony Davis has this year (Gordon, Tyreke, etc) and yet Davis hasn't taken the Pelicans any further - even when they were healthy. 

KG's last two Timberwolves teams missed the playoffs and finished with records in the 0.400 range, so you can't really argue that the previous teams ONLY went far because of him - if having him on the team made them an instant playoff team, why did those last two teams do no better than Cousins has this year?

I'm not trying to criticise KG or underrate his brilliance as a player.  As I've said previously, KG is actually my favourite NBA player of all time - hell, I would take him back on the Celtics right now if he'd come. 

I'm just trying to demonstrate the fact that Cousins is in a disaster of a situation, and I don't think it's fair to put all that blame on him until you've seen him outside of that environment.  If he goes to another half normal team and still has the same problems, then fine.  But so far he has played his entire career for what may be the most dysfunctional team in all organised sports, he's never had a mentor to point him in the right direction or to show him how he should act, and he's never an ounce of stability around him.  For a guy as competitive and emotional as Cousins, putting him in a volatile situation like that is asking for trouble - you may as well just flip the switch and hit "detonate" right now.

Tyrke came in to the NBA putting up 20/5/5 for the Kings and looking like a future superstar, and I always felt that being in Sacramento for so long stunted his growth.  Cousins has flourished in Sacramento which I think is a testament to his incredible talent and his high work ethic - you don't become that good by being lazy and not working hard. 

Guys can ook very different depending on environments.  Evan Turner was seen as a really talented young player when he was in Philly - he was a starting calibre guy who looked like he had real upside.  Then half a season in Indiana was all it took to pretty much destroy his career, and to see him labelled as a team cancer.

Then he came to Boston, and his career has been completely revitalised in this positive environment.  Similar things happened with guys like Marcus Thornton and Jamal Crawford - both were seen as cancers for their previous horrible teams (Kings, Wizards) then when they came to Boston their reputations improved significantly.

I think Cousins deserves a chance to prove he can be a better man, and I think that Boston is probably THE best place for him to do that.  I don't think there is a single coach in the NBA who is both as good AND as easy going as Stevens.  He's lax enough to keep Cousins calm, and his talented enough to earn his respect.  I think he's well worth the shot.
By the end of KG's 5th year in the league he finished 2nd in MVP voting (he was 10th the year before).  He had been an all star 3 times.  Been on an All NBA team twice and All Defensive team once.    Cousins had been an all star once by the end of his 5th year.  Cousins did have more top ten finishes in ppg and rpg than Garnett through 5 years so there is that. 

Cousins is better statistically but his impact on the game just isn't there because he wasn't nearly the defender than KG was. 
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Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2016, 10:02:02 AM »

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Cousins doesn't have to be as good as KG to be worth giving up even more than we gave in the KG trade. Especially in the context of us having more to send than we did in 2007-2008 offseason.