Would you choose Lillard over Curry?

[Snakehead]

Lillard is great but does not have the playmaking Curry does.  Or as often the firepower, because he is not that level of shooter that Curry is.  I'm sure Lillard would look great on the Warriors playing in Curry's position but he's not there as a PG.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

Tell that to Magic Johnson and Kevin Durant, who didn't make any All Defensive teams and yet had been the face of the NBA at some point.

And you keep saying decent defender when people have already proven that he's better than decent. He may not be All Defense great, but he's pretty darn good, and I won't be surprise if he makes All Defensive team at some point if he continues. 

He's 3rd in Defensive Plus-Minus for point guards (better than Chris Paul and Marcus Smart, two great defenders), he's 4th in the league in steals, shooters are shooting 3.4% less when he defends them, opponents have a 110.6 Offensive Rating when he's not on the floor.

Those numbers of a really good defender, not a decent one.

Like Curry one of the top players but I never considered Durant one of the best

Lebron more often then not was able to bully Durant

Durant is a good defender but not great. Especially since he lacks strength

Curry is a solid defender also. You don't have to make 1st all defensive team + plus be a offensive machine to get the title as the best player in the league

but Curry is not that great.   Compared to Chris Paul, AB, Marcus Smart, rondo (younger days) etc


So much attention is on curry?    since when was he a great 1 on 1 player.  Ask AB if he is great 1 on 1

1 on 1 great is Chris Paul.  Lebron.  These guys demand attention.   Curry is elite in the ability to play the team game. Run around screens. Get free.  But he needs help

First off, being able to utilize the team is a great asset of a player, that's making you're team better. Talk about demanding attention, the entire opposing team has their attention on Steph, even with him without the ball.

Second, not a good 1 on 1 player? Part of the 1 on 1 game is getting free! Very few players in the NBA can run, and get free like him. Just because he doesn't get Iso plays as much doesn't mean he's not a great one on one player.

Also, I'm starting to guess that you haven't seen him play? He can put defenders to sleep with his ball handling ability, he can shoot three pointers right in defenders face. He's ultra deadly in transition because he's a triple threat.

I mean, seriously...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy0p42tfhsE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttpRrdn2SKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOqlyt2oGk

Ask AB? Yeah, the last two times they met, Curry is averaging 37 points, 48% FG, 54% 3PT, 7.5 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 1.5 steals. I'd give to AB though, as Steph also averages 6.5 Turnovers in their last two meetings, but yeah, ask AB how good Steph Curry could be.

It's funny that you used Durant's lack of strength but you can't recognize that Steph is one of the thinnest, lankiest, not really strong players out there but his defensive numbers are among the top int the league.

I will be the third person to tell you this. Quit while you're ahead.

[crimson_stallion]

I think the real question is, Lebron or Rudy Gay?

Anyone?

Jokes aside, i really don't get the disrespect for Curry. Two seasons ago i was laughing when people hinted at how great he was.  After seeing what he's been capable of this year and last, i have shut my trap.

For a guy who lacks great size or elite athleticism, the things he's been able to achieve are completely unheard of.  He's putting up MJ scoring numbers with Steve Nash shooting percentages, it's rediculous.  Utterly ridiculous. 

I don't care what anybody says about his team, system, etc.  You don't put up those kinds of numbers in this league under ANY circumstances without having absolutely elite talent.

If anything, the fact that he's putting up those starts on such a deep team is all the more impressive.  Look at Wade, Bosh, Lebron, Love, Pierce, Ray, Garnett - those guys all had their numbers drop off massively one they went from being the clear #1, so being In a position where they had to share the ball with multiple other stars.

Steph Curry is an amazing player.  Lillard is very good, but hes nowhere near as good individually as Steph nor does he have anywhere near the team achievements - the Blazers success the last few years was all primarily because of Aldridge, with Lillard being a pretty clear #2. Curry however is very clearly the #1 guy on his team.  I think Lillard's level of talent is more on Klay Thompson level rather than Steph Curry level.

Perhaps Lillard can one day sniff Curry's level of greatness, but today is not that day.  He certainly has massive potential though. 

[indeedproceed]

I'm prefacing this by saying Damian Lillard is not as good as Steph Curry. That is not debatable, Curry is more accomplished, he's having a historic season, he's a better leader right now than Lillard is, and just front to back, a better basketball player this season. I'm saying that is not even something I'm saying should be argued.

Steph Curry is an amazing player.  Lillard is very good, but hes nowhere near as good individually as Steph nor does he have anywhere near the team achievements - the Blazers success the last few years was all primarily because of Aldridge

What?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mejFtEY5faU

Damian Lillard made the series deciding shot to take Portland to the 2nd round for the first time in 14 years. During the regular season in 13-14, Lillard averaged 20.7 pts, 3.5 rebs, 6.5 assists, and in the playoffs he averaged 23 pts, 5 rebs, 6 assists.

And that's just Damian Lillard. Wes Matthews and Nic Batum would probably disagree that the Blazers success was 'all primarily because of Aldridge'. And that's not a knock on Aldridge, who was phenomenal for Portland. But Lillard was at least good enough to tick Aldridge off that maybe Lillard was getting a little too much attention.

with Lillard being a pretty clear #2. Curry however is very clearly the #1 guy on his team.  I think Lillard's level of talent is more on Klay Thompson level rather than Steph Curry level.

First, how is it a knock that a 3rd year player is deferring to a multiple time all-star? He should have been deferring to Aldridge, Aldridge was a star when Lillard got drafted and he was a top 5 positional player with a lot more experience. Steph Curry had similar issues early in his career, and it took Steph Curry until his 4th year (same year Lillard is in now) to make his first all-star game.

But as far as being "the man", I've been watching Blazers games this year. One of the best improvements Lillard had from last season to this is as a leader and floor general. And to his credit he's not just coexisting with CJ McCollum but mentoring his career and really enabling him. Lillard's really come into his own as a player and as a leader.

Perhaps Lillard can one day sniff Curry's level of greatness, but today is not that day.  He certainly has massive potential though. 

Check this out, it's Lillard's stats this year vs Steph Curry's stats in his own 4th yr. LINK

Lillard will probably never be the shooter Steph is. Probably 2 or 3 people over the next 100 yrs will be the shooter Steph is. There is something almost preternatural about his ability to consistently be a 45% shooter off the dribble from 3, it's insane. But there aren't many guys in the league in any given talent generation that are as good as Lillard is now this early.

EDIT: Actually, it took Steph until his 5th season to be an All-Star, but that 4th yr was deserving regardless.

[chambers]

I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

Tell that to Magic Johnson and Kevin Durant, who didn't make any All Defensive teams and yet had been the face of the NBA at some point.

And you keep saying decent defender when people have already proven that he's better than decent. He may not be All Defense great, but he's pretty darn good, and I won't be surprise if he makes All Defensive team at some point if he continues. 

He's 3rd in Defensive Plus-Minus for point guards (better than Chris Paul and Marcus Smart, two great defenders), he's 4th in the league in steals, shooters are shooting 3.4% less when he defends them, opponents have a 110.6 Offensive Rating when he's not on the floor.

Those numbers of a really good defender, not a decent one.

Like Curry one of the top players but I never considered Durant one of the best

Lebron more often then not was able to bully Durant

Durant is a good defender but not great. Especially since he lacks strength

Curry is a solid defender also. You don't have to make 1st all defensive team + plus be a offensive machine to get the title as the best player in the league

but Curry is not that great.   Compared to Chris Paul, AB, Marcus Smart, rondo (younger days) etc


So much attention is on curry?    since when was he a great 1 on 1 player.  Ask AB if he is great 1 on 1

1 on 1 great is Chris Paul.  Lebron.  These guys demand attention.   Curry is elite in the ability to play the team game. Run around screens. Get free.  But he needs help

Lol triboy please stop. You'r stubbornness is ridiculous at times and you're not helping your cause.
Curry isn't a great 1v1 player? He's got the best ball handling skills in the NBA.

Durant isn't one of the best?

Just stop.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Steph Curry is the most talented basketball player in the world. As fans of the game, we are fortunate to be around for his prime. I sincerely mean that.

[CroCorvus]

No but I would take him over Westbrook and CP3 any day of the week.

Insert those two in Portland and you have max 20 win team... and lot's of whining and bad chemistry...Dame is real. 

[chambers]

No but I would take him over Westbrook and CP3 any day of the week.

Insert those two in Portland and you have max 20 win team... and lot's of whining and bad chemistry...Dame is real.

Lilliard is miles behind both of those guys man. Eons away from reaching their level.

[indeedproceed]

No but I would take him over Westbrook and CP3 any day of the week.

Insert those two in Portland and you have max 20 win team... and lot's of whining and bad chemistry...Dame is real.

Lilliard is miles behind both of those guys man. Eons away from reaching their level.

deadspin.com/just-get-out-of-damian-lillards-way-1760549876

[Tr1boy]

I'm prefacing this by saying Damian Lillard is not as good as Steph Curry. That is not debatable, Curry is more accomplished, he's having a historic season, he's a better leader right now than Lillard is, and just front to back, a better basketball player this season. I'm saying that is not even something I'm saying should be argued.

Steph Curry is an amazing player.  Lillard is very good, but hes nowhere near as good individually as Steph nor does he have anywhere near the team achievements - the Blazers success the last few years was all primarily because of Aldridge

What?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mejFtEY5faU

Damian Lillard made the series deciding shot to take Portland to the 2nd round for the first time in 14 years. During the regular season in 13-14, Lillard averaged 20.7 pts, 3.5 rebs, 6.5 assists, and in the playoffs he averaged 23 pts, 5 rebs, 6 assists.

And that's just Damian Lillard. Wes Matthews and Nic Batum would probably disagree that the Blazers success was 'all primarily because of Aldridge'. And that's not a knock on Aldridge, who was phenomenal for Portland. But Lillard was at least good enough to tick Aldridge off that maybe Lillard was getting a little too much attention.

with Lillard being a pretty clear #2. Curry however is very clearly the #1 guy on his team.  I think Lillard's level of talent is more on Klay Thompson level rather than Steph Curry level.

First, how is it a knock that a 3rd year player is deferring to a multiple time all-star? He should have been deferring to Aldridge, Aldridge was a star when Lillard got drafted and he was a top 5 positional player with a lot more experience. Steph Curry had similar issues early in his career, and it took Steph Curry until his 4th year (same year Lillard is in now) to make his first all-star game.

But as far as being "the man", I've been watching Blazers games this year. One of the best improvements Lillard had from last season to this is as a leader and floor general. And to his credit he's not just coexisting with CJ McCollum but mentoring his career and really enabling him. Lillard's really come into his own as a player and as a leader.

Perhaps Lillard can one day sniff Curry's level of greatness, but today is not that day.  He certainly has massive potential though. 

Check this out, it's Lillard's stats this year vs Steph Curry's stats in his own 4th yr. LINK

Lillard will probably never be the shooter Steph is. Probably 2 or 3 people over the next 100 yrs will be the shooter Steph is. There is something almost preternatural about his ability to consistently be a 45% shooter off the dribble from 3, it's insane. But there aren't many guys in the league in any given talent generation that are as good as Lillard is now this early.

EDIT: Actually, it took Steph until his 5th season to be an All-Star, but that 4th yr was deserving regardless.

excellent points.   

[CroCorvus]

No but I would take him over Westbrook and CP3 any day of the week.

Insert those two in Portland and you have max 20 win team... and lot's of whining and bad chemistry...Dame is real.

Lilliard is miles behind both of those guys man. Eons away from reaching their level.

Absolutely not. He's younger but in no way he's miles behind. Why do you said that? If you take out all those brand commercialized fabricated fame those two are getting what's the difference? Did those two ever won something that Lillard didn't? Yeah, Russ got those All star MPV's. Yeah, and that's all he's getting. Even in this weak Western conference, you take out KD out of that team and they aren't winning more then 25 games. Of course he would be averaging about 35 pts and 8 turnovers per game... He impressed me when he came into the league, but not any more. Bottom line is he's not making his teammates better. Period. What's the purpose of being the best player if you not making your teammates better?

[Celtic Fan Forever]

No but I would take him over Westbrook and CP3 any day of the week.

Insert those two in Portland and you have max 20 win team... and lot's of whining and bad chemistry...Dame is real.

Lilliard is miles behind both of those guys man. Eons away from reaching their level.

Absolutely not. He's younger but in no way he's miles behind. Why do you said that? If you take out all those brand commercialized fabricated fame those two are getting what's the difference? Did those two ever won something that Lillard didn't? Yeah, Russ got those All star MPV's. Yeah, and that's all he's getting. Even in this weak Western conference, you take out KD out of that team and they aren't winning more then 25 games. Of course he would be averaging about 35 pts and 8 turnovers per game... He impressed me when he came into the league, but not any more. Bottom line is he's not making his teammates better. Period. What's the purpose of being the best player if you not making your teammates better?

You must've missed that time Westbrook carried OKC to 45 wins last year while Durant played a total of 27 games.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm prefacing this by saying Damian Lillard is not as good as Steph Curry. That is not debatable, Curry is more accomplished, he's having a historic season, he's a better leader right now than Lillard is, and just front to back, a better basketball player this season. I'm saying that is not even something I'm saying should be argued.

Steph Curry is an amazing player.  Lillard is very good, but hes nowhere near as good individually as Steph nor does he have anywhere near the team achievements - the Blazers success the last few years was all primarily because of Aldridge

What?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mejFtEY5faU

Damian Lillard made the series deciding shot to take Portland to the 2nd round for the first time in 14 years. During the regular season in 13-14, Lillard averaged 20.7 pts, 3.5 rebs, 6.5 assists, and in the playoffs he averaged 23 pts, 5 rebs, 6 assists.

And that's just Damian Lillard. Wes Matthews and Nic Batum would probably disagree that the Blazers success was 'all primarily because of Aldridge'. And that's not a knock on Aldridge, who was phenomenal for Portland. But Lillard was at least good enough to tick Aldridge off that maybe Lillard was getting a little too much attention.

with Lillard being a pretty clear #2. Curry however is very clearly the #1 guy on his team.  I think Lillard's level of talent is more on Klay Thompson level rather than Steph Curry level.

First, how is it a knock that a 3rd year player is deferring to a multiple time all-star? He should have been deferring to Aldridge, Aldridge was a star when Lillard got drafted and he was a top 5 positional player with a lot more experience. Steph Curry had similar issues early in his career, and it took Steph Curry until his 4th year (same year Lillard is in now) to make his first all-star game.

But as far as being "the man", I've been watching Blazers games this year. One of the best improvements Lillard had from last season to this is as a leader and floor general. And to his credit he's not just coexisting with CJ McCollum but mentoring his career and really enabling him. Lillard's really come into his own as a player and as a leader.

Perhaps Lillard can one day sniff Curry's level of greatness, but today is not that day.  He certainly has massive potential though. 

Check this out, it's Lillard's stats this year vs Steph Curry's stats in his own 4th yr. LINK

Lillard will probably never be the shooter Steph is. Probably 2 or 3 people over the next 100 yrs will be the shooter Steph is. There is something almost preternatural about his ability to consistently be a 45% shooter off the dribble from 3, it's insane. But there aren't many guys in the league in any given talent generation that are as good as Lillard is now this early.

EDIT: Actually, it took Steph until his 5th season to be an All-Star, but that 4th yr was deserving regardless.

Lillard is indeed good. Curry is league above him. I'll say this just regarding the comparison of stats, I usually prefer to compare on equivalent ages. So here's the 25 year-old ones:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2014&p1=curryst01&y2=2016&p2=lillada01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Curry's efficiency is simply amazing, and to think that he keeps upping it season after season is unreal.

[The_Truth]

 

That'd be sorta like chosing IT over A.I

I mean... C'mon guys

[Tr1boy]

So Curry is now easily better than Westbrook?

Look at the support Curry has in Golden state. Look at their bench. And Kerr is one of the top 5 coaches in the league