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Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2016, 02:54:06 AM »

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Listen ,  curry is a fantastic player.   Right now a bad game for him is the one he played against us. And still scored what 25? 

Still I don't agree he is the best in the league.   I would take Leonard,  Lebron over him without a 2nd thought
We've played steph 2x and he averages 37.5 points a game.

Steph is terrifying. Lillard is a threat. Everytime steph is on the floor I am terrified I don't get that feeling with lillard.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2016, 03:36:18 AM »

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Listen ,  curry is a fantastic player.   Right now a bad game for him is the one he played against us. And still scored what 25? 

Still I don't agree he is the best in the league. I would take Leonard,  Lebron over him without a 2nd thought

Even if he's not the best in the league, he's way better than Lilliard.
The numbers say he's the best. Look at the NBA's real plus minus.
It's easy to say he benefits from having a great team, but His teammates benefit WAY more from him being on the court.

He's miles better than Leonard. Why?
Because although Leonard is a better defender,  Curry's offensive power is a higher net positive. Because of the spacing he creates.
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Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2016, 05:58:47 AM »

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Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2016, 06:14:37 AM »

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I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

You most certainly can, for example if your offense is that much better than the league's best defender's defense (which it is) and your team consistently puts up more points than your opponents (which it does) you can be the best player in the league.  Dominance is dominance.

I honestly don't really understand this discussion. One guy has a championship, outplayed Lebron in an finals series, AND is the best player on a team that's currently on pace to break the NBA's win/loss record set by a team that had Michael Jordan and two other hall of famers on it plus Steve Kerr who still holds the highest career 3 point shooting percentage in NBA history at 45.4 %.

The other guy has never been on a team that reached the conference finals and is having his best (statistical) season on a .500 team that likely won't make the playoffs.  What's to compare?

false

Curry had a so so finals.  Brutal in the beginning

In the finals Curry averaged 26 ppg and 6.3 apg against the NBA's best defense, and they closed out the series in 6 games...  Would you say Damien Lillard is having a so-so season because he's averaging 24.9 ppg and 7 apg?

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2016, 08:25:33 AM »

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Curry without question.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2016, 09:57:30 AM »

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This is an interesting question; not so much the specific question of who is better this guy or Curry, but rather the more general question of just how good is Steph Curry as compared to anyone in the history of the game.

Even though Curry puts up staggering numbers, I think his contribution is actually under-rated.  I think the player that I compare him to the most is Steve Nash; better than Nash, but similar.

When Curry has the ball, the entire defense has to focus on him.  He dictates everything; switches, sags, all the defensive strategy.  He can beat anyone off the dribble so you can't overplay or try to force him in one direction.  His court awareness and passing is right their with anyone, and then his shooting is off the charts both in terms of quick release and accuracy.  Nash was that same way.

I also really like that many sequences that start with Curry, end in an assist but after 2 or 3 passes.  There is a team mentality that contributes to this but it often starts with Curry knowing to get the ball moving instead of dribbling around or shooting.

It is a cliché but Curry makes everyone around him better to a greater degree than anyone else in the league.  This is resulting in the team winning more than any team in history even though the team may not have all the future hall of famers like say the Magic Lakers, Jordan Bulls, or Bird Celtics.

To the original question, I don't think Lillard is close.  Plenty of players have scored 50 points in this league (everyone remember Tony Delk?).  I think Lillard is great and he may continue to improve but for now, Curry is in a stratosphere all his own.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2016, 10:08:31 AM »

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I actually think Curry's teammates are overrated. He generates so much attention that the entire floor is opened up for everyone else. It's not just when he has the ball, but also when he's moving without it or setting an off-ball screen for his teammates. I would love to see how Klay would do facing traps and doubles with his average ballhandling. Or how Green would do without the floor so open and without those wideopen 3's he gets from the top of the key.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2016, 10:29:03 AM »

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I actually think Curry's teammates are overrated. He generates so much attention that the entire floor is opened up for everyone else. It's not just when he has the ball, but also when he's moving without it or setting an off-ball screen for his teammates. I would love to see how Klay would do facing traps and doubles with his average ballhandling. Or how Green would do without the floor so open and without those wideopen 3's he gets from the top of the key.

I agree with this point and had intended to raise it in my post but my post got too long as it was.  I don't ever remember any player causing so much disruption when he doesn't even have the ball.  If the defense loses track of him for even a second, the ball will find him and he will make you pay with a quick release shot.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2016, 10:38:53 AM »

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I can't believe this is a 5 page thread.  Good humor though from all of you with the non BBall curry references.   TP's.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2016, 11:21:10 AM »

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What are you crazy?   Curry all the way.

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2016, 12:10:03 PM »

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I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

Tell that to Magic Johnson and Kevin Durant, who didn't make any All Defensive teams and yet had been the face of the NBA at some point.

And you keep saying decent defender when people have already proven that he's better than decent. He may not be All Defense great, but he's pretty darn good, and I won't be surprise if he makes All Defensive team at some point if he continues. 

He's 3rd in Defensive Plus-Minus for point guards (better than Chris Paul and Marcus Smart, two great defenders), he's 4th in the league in steals, shooters are shooting 3.4% less when he defends them, opponents have a 110.6 Offensive Rating when he's not on the floor.

Those numbers of a really good defender, not a decent one. 
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Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2016, 03:05:35 PM »

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I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

Tell that to Magic Johnson and Kevin Durant, who didn't make any All Defensive teams and yet had been the face of the NBA at some point.

And you keep saying decent defender when people have already proven that he's better than decent. He may not be All Defense great, but he's pretty darn good, and I won't be surprise if he makes All Defensive team at some point if he continues. 

He's 3rd in Defensive Plus-Minus for point guards (better than Chris Paul and Marcus Smart, two great defenders), he's 4th in the league in steals, shooters are shooting 3.4% less when he defends them, opponents have a 110.6 Offensive Rating when he's not on the floor.

Those numbers of a really good defender, not a decent one.

Like Curry one of the top players but I never considered Durant one of the best

Lebron more often then not was able to bully Durant

Durant is a good defender but not great. Especially since he lacks strength

Curry is a solid defender also. You don't have to make 1st all defensive team + plus be a offensive machine to get the title as the best player in the league

but Curry is not that great.   Compared to Chris Paul, AB, Marcus Smart, rondo (younger days) etc


So much attention is on curry?    since when was he a great 1 on 1 player.  Ask AB if he is great 1 on 1

1 on 1 great is Chris Paul.  Lebron.  These guys demand attention.   Curry is elite in the ability to play the team game. Run around screens. Get free.  But he needs help

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2016, 03:09:02 PM »

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I think Lilard has shown how weak Curry's defending is and how protected his is in Kerr's system l. No great two way player cops 50 points, I can't even remember a prime Rondo ever getting scored on that much by another point guard

yup.  Curry is a decent defender but not great

People considering him as the best player in the league need to think about it again

you have to be a top offensive and defensive player.

Michael Jordan was just that. 

Tim Duncan

KG

etc

How can you be a top player just being an offensive machine or defensive stopper?

you can't

Tell that to Magic Johnson and Kevin Durant, who didn't make any All Defensive teams and yet had been the face of the NBA at some point.

And you keep saying decent defender when people have already proven that he's better than decent. He may not be All Defense great, but he's pretty darn good, and I won't be surprise if he makes All Defensive team at some point if he continues. 

He's 3rd in Defensive Plus-Minus for point guards (better than Chris Paul and Marcus Smart, two great defenders), he's 4th in the league in steals, shooters are shooting 3.4% less when he defends them, opponents have a 110.6 Offensive Rating when he's not on the floor.

Those numbers of a really good defender, not a decent one.

Like Curry one of the top players but I never considered Durant one of the best

Lebron more often then not was able to bully Durant

Durant is a good defender but not great. Especially since he lacks strength

Curry is a solid defender also. You don't have to make 1st all defensive team + plus be a offensive machine to get the title as the best player in the league

but Curry is not that great.   Compared to Chris Paul, AB, Marcus Smart, rondo (younger days).


So much attention is on curry?    since when was he a great 1 on 1 player.  Ask AB if he is great 1 on 1

1 on 1 great is Chris Paul.  Lebron.  These guys demand attention.   Curry is elite in the ability to play the team game. Run around screens. Get free.  But he needs help

Quit while you're ahead

Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2016, 03:18:32 PM »

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Re: Would you choose Lillard over Curry?
« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2016, 03:21:40 PM »

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Who will  have a better career Jordan Mickey or Timmy Duncan

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