Blakely: Keep an eye out for a potential Barnes for Crowder swap

[Smitty77]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

You are just flat out wrong on this triboy!!  Jae is the 8th best SF defender in the NBA this year and Barnes is the 4th best SF defender on his own freaking team and is 60th overall!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

I don't think this is really a great deal for either team.

The Celtics would be getting a player who is going to need to be paid in the off season. We aren't sure how good Barnes is going to be and Crowder is on an absolute bargain contract.

The Warriors are having a historic season, they would be foolish to mess with anything.

As far as comparing the Warriors to other great teams, you have to realize the differences in rules from year to year. The Jordan Bulls were great, but if they were playing today they would be called for hand checking on every possession, with the way the Warriors double team and recover they could really give Jordan problems (they way W's double team the ball and recover they would consistently be called for illegal defense in the Jordan Bull's days).

I'd still like to go after Barnes in the off season though.

you need to know that GSW does not want to sign Barnes to a deal he wants next.

They are a little more interested in going after Durant.   In addition it's not going to be easy to trade a 20 million per year barnes as Lee/Wallace type contracts are becoming extinct

Getting Crowder would be perfect for them.  Matter of fact their team D improves a tad and offensive power likely doesn't skip a beat

I am sure that GS would rather have the 19th best SF defender (KD) rather than the 60th best (Barnes)!!!!

You have a GREAT point there triboy.

Smitty77

[Eddie20]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

You are just flat out wrong on this triboy!!  Jae is the 8th best SF defender in the NBA this year and Barnes is the 4th best SF defender on his own freaking team and is 60th overall!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

Smitty77

Agreed. Crowder excels because of his strength, wingspan, and quick hands. Sort of like the Dumars of SF's, who also was an excellent defender despite not having ideal height and athleticism.

[Csfan1984]

I would pull the trigger if I didn't see the draft having 2 very elite SF prospects at Nets range and Crowder being so good right now. C's kind of have no worries about SF right now. Crowder for Barnes and a future 1st would help sway me.

[Denis998]

Blakely has no sources, well other than his fortune teller "Big Mike" from down the block.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think this is really a great deal for either team.

The Celtics would be getting a player who is going to need to be paid in the off season. We aren't sure how good Barnes is going to be and Crowder is on an absolute bargain contract.

The Warriors are having a historic season, they would be foolish to mess with anything.

As far as comparing the Warriors to other great teams, you have to realize the differences in rules from year to year. The Jordan Bulls were great, but if they were playing today they would be called for hand checking on every possession, with the way the Warriors double team and recover they could really give Jordan problems (they way W's double team the ball and recover they would consistently be called for illegal defense in the Jordan Bull's days).

I'd still like to go after Barnes in the off season though.

you need to know that GSW does not want to sign Barnes to a deal he wants next.

They are a little more interested in going after Durant.   In addition it's not going to be easy to trade a 20 million per year barnes as Lee/Wallace type contracts are becoming extinct

Getting Crowder would be perfect for them.  Matter of fact their team D improves a tad and offensive power likely doesn't skip a beat

I am sure that GS would rather have the 19th best SF defender (KD) rather than the 60th best (Barnes)!!!!

You have a GREAT point there triboy.

Smitty77

Can you forget about dummy stats like this

Come the playoffs can Crowder stop Lebron? Can he stop George?     

Barnes will also have his issues but at least he can assault back on the offensive end

Having a backup sf (overachiever) does little for the Celts moving fwd.  We need another alpha dog type player

I really like Crowder either way. But you take this deal

If this rumor is true and Danny has been offered this deal, he is thinking long and hard about it

[jpotter33]

I don't think this is really a great deal for either team.

The Celtics would be getting a player who is going to need to be paid in the off season. We aren't sure how good Barnes is going to be and Crowder is on an absolute bargain contract.

The Warriors are having a historic season, they would be foolish to mess with anything.

As far as comparing the Warriors to other great teams, you have to realize the differences in rules from year to year. The Jordan Bulls were great, but if they were playing today they would be called for hand checking on every possession, with the way the Warriors double team and recover they could really give Jordan problems (they way W's double team the ball and recover they would consistently be called for illegal defense in the Jordan Bull's days).

I'd still like to go after Barnes in the off season though.

Yeah, it's almost impossible to compare between those generations due to the rule changes, differences in physicality, and differences in philosophy. Curry is going to be a Hall-of-Fame guard, but do we seriously think he'd be this good in the era of the 80's and 90's where the physicality of the game was much greater and there were no hand-checking rules? How good would Bird have been playing in today's NBA as a small-ball 4 that could chuck up ten threes a game?

[Sketch5]

DA has liked Barnes, brought him in to work out when they had no shot at getting him. Just greasing with wheels for the future.

Now it makes sense from both teams, even if GSW take a hit for a couple weeks, it works out better long term. They're going after Durant. Barnes getting payed gets in the way of that.

C's aren't going to have a very good shot at Durant. Options at the wing are Batmun, Parsons, DeRozen, and Barnes.

Barnes has the most upside to all of them. Yes Crowder is cost effective, but he's also a Defensive straight line shooter(can't create his own shot), 3 pt shooter. He's a high end 6th man, and having him as our second best player is a bit scary. Don't get me wrong, I love Crowder, but the team needs some one that can get his own shot out side of IT and Turner.

He's also been on a championship team, something that would be nice to have, a guy with some experience. His numbers are also similar to Crowders and thats him being a 3rd or 4th option.

While I don't think this will happen, and not super excited to get rid of Crowder, I wouldn't cry over it. Has a chance to be a great move by next season.

[Tr1boy]

DA has liked Barnes, brought him in to work out when they had no shot at getting him. Just greasing with wheels for the future.

Now it makes sense from both teams, even if GSW take a hit for a couple weeks, it works out better long term. They're going after Durant. Barnes getting payed gets in the way of that.

C's aren't going to have a very good shot at Durant. Options at the wing are Batmun, Parsons, DeRozen, and Barnes.

Barnes has the most upside to all of them. Yes Crowder is cost effective, but he's also a Defensive straight line shooter(can't create his own shot), 3 pt shooter. He's a high end 6th man, and having him as our second best player is a bit scary. Don't get me wrong, I love Crowder, but the team needs some one that can get his own shot out side of IT and Turner.

He's also been on a championship team, something that would be nice to have, a guy with some experience. His numbers are also similar to Crowders and thats him being a 3rd or 4th option.

While I don't think this will happen, and not super excited to get rid of Crowder, I wouldn't cry over it. Has a chance to be a great move by next season.

bingo

[Smartacus]

If Barnes had Crowder's opportunity he'd be putting up better numbers. As it stands now he is the 3rd/4th option behind Curry, Thompson and sometimes Draymond. Here just like Jae is, he'd be 1A to to IT's 1B with Bradley as 1C. His production would sky rocket IMO.

Not quite a Harden OKC to Houston level jump, but then we wouldn't need him to have that kind of usage either.

[Lucky17]

Isn't Barnes an impending RFA who thinks he can command a near-max deal on his next contract?

Frankly, would rather have Crowder.

[CelticD]

similar offensive output, better defense, cheaper contract, only 2 years older id rather keep crowder for now.

[Roy H.]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

You are just flat out wrong on this triboy!!  Jae is the 8th best SF defender in the NBA this year and Barnes is the 4th best SF defender on his own freaking team and is 60th overall!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

Smitty77

I wouldn't take those stats as gospel.  Do you really think that Omri Casspi is a better defender than Andre Iguodala, for instance?

[Who]

DA has liked Barnes, brought him in to work out when they had no shot at getting him. Just greasing with wheels for the future.

Now it makes sense from both teams, even if GSW take a hit for a couple weeks, it works out better long term. They're going after Durant. Barnes getting payed gets in the way of that.

C's aren't going to have a very good shot at Durant. Options at the wing are Batmun, Parsons, DeRozen, and Barnes.

Barnes has the most upside to all of them. Yes Crowder is cost effective, but he's also a Defensive straight line shooter(can't create his own shot), 3 pt shooter. He's a high end 6th man, and having him as our second best player is a bit scary. Don't get me wrong, I love Crowder, but the team needs some one that can get his own shot out side of IT and Turner.

He's also been on a championship team, something that would be nice to have, a guy with some experience. His numbers are also similar to Crowders and thats him being a 3rd or 4th option.

While I don't think this will happen, and not super excited to get rid of Crowder, I wouldn't cry over it. Has a chance to be a great move by next season.

I'd rather have Batum or DeRozan than H.Barnes.

[Tr1boy]

DA has liked Barnes, brought him in to work out when they had no shot at getting him. Just greasing with wheels for the future.

Now it makes sense from both teams, even if GSW take a hit for a couple weeks, it works out better long term. They're going after Durant. Barnes getting payed gets in the way of that.

C's aren't going to have a very good shot at Durant. Options at the wing are Batmun, Parsons, DeRozen, and Barnes.

Barnes has the most upside to all of them. Yes Crowder is cost effective, but he's also a Defensive straight line shooter(can't create his own shot), 3 pt shooter. He's a high end 6th man, and having him as our second best player is a bit scary. Don't get me wrong, I love Crowder, but the team needs some one that can get his own shot out side of IT and Turner.

He's also been on a championship team, something that would be nice to have, a guy with some experience. His numbers are also similar to Crowders and thats him being a 3rd or 4th option.

While I don't think this will happen, and not super excited to get rid of Crowder, I wouldn't cry over it. Has a chance to be a great move by next season.

I'd rather have Batum or DeRozan than H.Barnes.

Yes but you can't get them without some serious luck (free agency)

Barnes on the other hand is attainable