Blakely: Keep an eye out for a potential Barnes for Crowder swap

[KeepRondo]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

I didn't fully appreciate Crowder's defensive abilities until I went to a few games this year.

The dude is an intense, in your face, physical presense that won't give up an inch. If there are better perimeter defenders than him, it's not by much.

Anyone who says he's not a top defender in the league either hasn't seen him play live or doesn't understand that side of the ball.

[GratefulCs]

Possibly the greatest team of all time is going to make a trade mid-way through their season?

Wow! Did you start watching basketball in the 90s?

they definitely are one of the best

[hpantazo]

I don't see the incentive for us, but for GS, Crowder and Draymond Green would be a KILLER defensive combo, with Iggy off the bench, wow. They could afford to throw three top tier wing defenders going all out at guys like Lebron all game long.

[Surferdad]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

I didn't fully appreciate Crowder's defensive abilities until I went to a few games this year.

The dude is an intense, in your face, physical presense that won't give up an inch. If there are better perimeter defenders than him, it's not by much.

Anyone who says he's not a top defender in the league either hasn't seen him play live or doesn't understand that side of the ball.

This.  If Crowder is not an elite defender at the SF position, when there aren't any in the NBA. He consistently draws the toughest defensive assignment every night and does as well as anyone can.

Given the mixup in the "iverson" thread I am just relieved we are not talking about Matt Barnes!

[mctyson]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

Do you watch the Celtics?  You do realize that the entire franchise direction was basically altered by acquiring Crowder last year.

Crowder vs. Barnes defensively is a non-comparison.  Barnes isn't even in his league.

[j804]

No thanks.

y?

you absolutely take this deal and run with it

we got Crowder (who was pretty much a throw in, in the Rondo deal).  CBS has done a marvellous job developing him to the player we see today.  Hard working versatile defender that is much improved shooter

but lets get real.  The guy is 6'5 SF/PF that can't slow down Lebron, George, Leonard's game etc.

Barnes is ready to take it to the next level.  I don't disagree he will be looking for a deal around 18-20 million a year for his next contract.  But we make the offer first 16-17 million, and if another team offers him 19-20, we match it.  End of story. Have locked up one of the more promising SFs in the league.

Vs the Rockets - 24 pts and 7 reb. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FsaB7xGBM

the Rockets have been horrible this year and haven't played much defense

[Csfan1984]

As I posted I am against the trade but Crowder is overrated as a defender. He is all effort though. I give him that credit.

[Tr1boy]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

I didn't fully appreciate Crowder's defensive abilities until I went to a few games this year.

The dude is an intense, in your face, physical presense that won't give up an inch. If there are better perimeter defenders than him, it's not by much.

Anyone who says he's not a top defender in the league either hasn't seen him play live or doesn't understand that side of the ball.

He is good , nobody said he was not

But can he stop Lebron, George, Leonard, even Demar carrol's of the world?

The answer is no. Can he assault back on the offensive end? No

Barnes can at least return it on the offensive end. So athletic/explosive. He can become a better defender under CBS too

[Smartacus]

Barnes has outgrown the role they want for him and needs more latitude to play to his potential. Crowder has maxed out his potential here and would fit nicely into exactly the spot that Barnes is currently slated in.

Why would they do the trade this year? To make a run at Durant this summer.

If GS wants to sign Durant they wont be able to afford to pay Barnes what he's due to make and keep Iguodala at his current number. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't GS be able to sign Durant to the max and keep Crowder at his bargain contract to move into Igudala's 6th man/spot starter role if they moved Iggy for cap space?

[Csfan1984]

Barnes has outgrown the role they want for him and needs more latitude to play to his potential. Crowder has maxed out his potential here and would fit nicely into exactly the spot that Barnes is currently slated in.

Why would they do the trade this year? To make a run at Durant this summer.

If GS wants to sign Durant they wont be able to afford to pay Barnes what he's due to make and keep Iguodala at his current number. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't GS be able to sign Durant to the max and keep Crowder at his bargain contract to move into Igudala's 6th man/spot starter role if they moved Iggy for cap space?

Crowder makes a ton of sense financially and value wise. Yes they could still get Durant as well. But I don't see C's taking the gamble.

[KeepRondo]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

I didn't fully appreciate Crowder's defensive abilities until I went to a few games this year.

The dude is an intense, in your face, physical presense that won't give up an inch. If there are better perimeter defenders than him, it's not by much.

Anyone who says he's not a top defender in the league either hasn't seen him play live or doesn't understand that side of the ball.

He is good , nobody said he was not

But can he stop Lebron, George, Leonard, even Demar carrol's of the world?

The answer is no. Can he assault back on the offensive end? No

Barnes can at least return it on the offensive end. So athletic/explosive. He can become a better defender under CBS too

He absolutely can put a body and disrupt those guys about as good as anyone can. You can't stop those guys mentioned but you can disrupt them and there aren't too many guys who can disrupt those guys like Crowder can.

Also Crowder has some offensive game. His get and go move is one of the best in the league. He also has a nice midrange jumper off the bounce.

You are definitely selling Crowder short.

[Sketch5]

DA has liked Barnes, brought him in to work out when they had no shot at getting him. Just greasing with wheels for the future.

Now it makes sense from both teams, even if GSW take a hit for a couple weeks, it works out better long term. They're going after Durant. Barnes getting payed gets in the way of that.

C's aren't going to have a very good shot at Durant. Options at the wing are Batmun, Parsons, DeRozen, and Barnes.

Barnes has the most upside to all of them. Yes Crowder is cost effective, but he's also a Defensive straight line shooter(can't create his own shot), 3 pt shooter. He's a high end 6th man, and having him as our second best player is a bit scary. Don't get me wrong, I love Crowder, but the team needs some one that can get his own shot out side of IT and Turner.

He's also been on a championship team, something that would be nice to have, a guy with some experience. His numbers are also similar to Crowders and thats him being a 3rd or 4th option.

While I don't think this will happen, and not super excited to get rid of Crowder, I wouldn't cry over it. Has a chance to be a great move by next season.

I'd rather have Batum or DeRozan than H.Barnes.

Yes but you can't get them without some serious luck (free agency)

Barnes on the other hand is attainable

I like Batum, would be a great Stevens guy. DeRozen is nice, poor out side shooter like ET. Rather have ET on the cheap and get Batum.

Also Batum and DeRozen will be in their 30's for their next contract and Barnes will be 28. An other 5 year contract and he's 33. That could be a nice ten year window.

[Tr1boy]

i believe its a possible deal that can happen

Why? It doesn't make sense for either team. GS probably more than us. Crowder is an almost elite defending wing who can reliably hit the 3. That's all GS needs Barnes to do, and Crowder is much better at it than him. Now, Barnes probably has a higher ceiling overall, but it's not like he's showed a ton of glimpses of a potential all-star wing so far. I'm not sure his offensive ceiling is much higher than Crowders and his defensive ceiling is certainly lower.

Add in the fact that Crowder is signed at a huge discount for the next 4 seasons, while Barnes is up for a HUGE contract this summer, and it just doesn't make sense. GS would need to add assets to make that trade, and they don't really have them

crowder is not an almost elite defender. You kidding??  He is a very very good team defender and good 1 on 1 defender.  Top effort

But he can't stop any of the top 10 sfs one on one.   He is a 6'5 sf , not explosive, overly quick.  Just sheer work ethic.

I didn't fully appreciate Crowder's defensive abilities until I went to a few games this year.

The dude is an intense, in your face, physical presense that won't give up an inch. If there are better perimeter defenders than him, it's not by much.

Anyone who says he's not a top defender in the league either hasn't seen him play live or doesn't understand that side of the ball.

He is good , nobody said he was not

But can he stop Lebron, George, Leonard, even Demar carrol's of the world?

The answer is no. Can he assault back on the offensive end? No

Barnes can at least return it on the offensive end. So athletic/explosive. He can become a better defender under CBS too

He absolutely can put a body and disrupt those guys about as good as anyone can. You can't stop those guys mentioned but you can disrupt them and there aren't too many guys who can disrupt those guys like Crowder can.

Also Crowder has some offensive game. His get and go move is one of the best in the league. He also has a nice midrange jumper off the bounce.

You are definitely selling Crowder short.

No offense but just like with rondo , your talking from your heart

I understanf how much of a fav/underdog feel good player crowder is

But he has pretty much a non existant 1 on 1 game. No dribble stop and pop. Crowders offensive game is mechanical and needs the passes to score

Barnes is different. He can take you 1 on 1 and torch you in so many ways.  Think of Derozan

[CelticSooner]

Crowder has maxed out? 

Dude is 25 I don't see that at all. Barnes has got to be one of the most overrated "potential" players in the league.

[slamtheking]

wouldn't do it for these reasons:
1. Crowder's putting up better numbers this year
2. Barnes is being sold based on potential.  should be already at the point he producing, not waiting on potential.
3. Crowder's far more cost effective relative to production particularly considering Barnes is coming up for a big raise next year.
4. it may be just me but when I've seen Barnes play, I've been underwhelmed.  he looks ok but I'm not seeing the reason for the hype.   I consider him the second most over-hyped person here after Giannis