Gallinari & Nerlens Noel are the targets

[PhoSita]

They are good targets and I'm sure Danny is inquiring about them.

Gallo would be a good fit, but I'm not sure paying a lot to add him to our team does a ton for us long term. It was rumored that the Nuggets wanted two firsts for either Gallo or Faried, at this point in the rebuild I'm not sure it is prudent to pay for that price for a player.

I'm only trading for Gallinari if we can use an asset that won't be on the team long term and maybe a first to get him (something like Sullinger, Lee, and a first). He's not the type of player you sacrifice the future for to get.

Noel is a piece you sacrifice future assets to get, because he himself is a future asset. The problem is his price might be so much that the C's end being at a net negative once giving up assets for him.

I'd love to get both these players, but only if the price is not prohibitive to the team's future.

At this point, with how this team is playing, I think the best course might to do what they did last year. Get rid of any pieces that won't be here next year, and only use picks to when you see a great value in the market. To me it seems like a time to strike in the trade market is in the offseason not at the deadline.

I'd be perfectly happy if they traded Lee, Sullinger, and the Dallas 1st for Gallo.  Something like that.  I agree that trading two firsts for him would be a bit much. 

As for Noel, I also agree.  Getting him this year would almost certainly require trading the 2016 Nets pick, and likely throwing in Smart as well.  I like Noel as a prospect, but he's not worth that much.

[LarBrd33]

I've heard that Gallo is unlikely to be our target, because acquiring him kills our chance of adding two max contracts this summer.   Supposedly Ainge wants to leave open the opportunity to add some real talent via free agency... even if it's unlikely that we'll land Durant + Horford or something.

[jambr380]

They are good targets and I'm sure Danny is inquiring about them.

Gallo would be a good fit, but I'm not sure paying a lot to add him to our team does a ton for us long term. It was rumored that the Nuggets wanted two firsts for either Gallo or Faried, at this point in the rebuild I'm not sure it is prudent to pay for that price for a player.

I'm only trading for Gallinari if we can use an asset that won't be on the team long term and maybe a first to get him (something like Sullinger, Lee, and a first). He's not the type of player you sacrifice the future for to get.

Noel is a piece you sacrifice future assets to get, because he himself is a future asset. The problem is his price might be so much that the C's end being at a net negative once giving up assets for him.

I'd love to get both these players, but only if the price is not prohibitive to the team's future.

At this point, with how this team is playing, I think the best course might to do what they did last year. Get rid of any pieces that won't be here next year, and only use picks to when you see a great value in the market. To me it seems like a time to strike in the trade market is in the offseason not at the deadline.

I'd be perfectly happy if they traded Lee, Sullinger, and the Dallas 1st for Gallo.  Something like that.  I agree that trading two firsts for him would be a bit much. 

As for Noel, I also agree.  Getting him this year would almost certainly require trading the 2016 Nets pick, and likely throwing in Smart as well.  I like Noel as a prospect, but he's not worth that much.

Why are people so sure that Smart and the 2016 BKN pick would have to be included in a Noel trade? Noel may have a very promising future, just like Smart, but he has done nothing to prove that he will be an elite level all-star. On top of that, Philly has three centers - I have to imagine they would be pretty psyched to get a player like Smart and, say, the 31st pick in the draft. Perhaps I am undervaluing Noel, but Smart and the BKN pick seems like the foundation for a Cousins trade, not Noel.

[PhoSita]

I've heard that Gallo is unlikely to be our target, because acquiring him kills our chance of adding two max contracts this summer.   Supposedly Ainge wants to leave open the opportunity to add some real talent via free agency... even if it's unlikely that we'll land Durant + Horford or something.

It's an annoying fantasy.  The Celts aren't adding one max contract guy, let alone two.

Get some real stars and then start thinking about attracting big names to come here.  The team will still probably not have an All-Star on the roster this season.  That matters to NBA players, no matter how much you hear about how guys love the way Stevens coaches.  That'll help getting vets like Amir Johnson, it won't help getting big name guys.

Why are people so sure that Smart and the 2016 BKN pick would have to be included in a Noel trade? Noel may have a very promising future, just like Smart, but he has done nothing to prove that he will be an elite level all-star.

Imagine you're a Philly fan.  You've been sold on this idea of watching a terrible team for multiple seasons because this is going to net you a bunch of star prospects.  Noel is probably the most promising prospect that you've actually gotten to watch so far, in terms of two-way impact.  Okafor has put up better scoring numbers, but has actually made the team worse.  Noel had a historically great rookie season defensively, and has looked pretty good this year since the team acquired a real point guard and started playing him at center without Okafor on the floor.

Given all of that, how would you feel if your team traded Noel for, say, Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley, and a couple of picks likely to fall in the 15-30 range?

Philly will ask for a king's ransom for Noel.  They don't give two dung heaps about the fact that they've got three center prospects on their roster.  They aren't in any hurry.  Noel is one of their best pieces, and if they choose to trade him it will be for pieces with a good chance of yielding a star, nothing less.

[flybono]

At some point u have to gamble. Your not going to gamble away the entire future, you to take a shot..

2 legit players. Make a move

Only pick I keep is the 17 switch picks with Brooklyn. By all accounts, Maker is the real deal. Nets pick gives you a chance..

[jambr380]

I should have clarified, Pho - I absolutely think Philly would want at least Smart in a trade for Noel, but both Smart and the BKN pick seems like a bit much. And, hey, if they don't want to give up Noel, I will gladly take Okafor off of their hands.

[Ilikesports17]

What could AB + IT get us?

Could it get us Noel? Parker?

I think the only long term pieces in our squad are Kelly Marcus and Crowder.

I actually believe in Marcus and expect RJ or Young or Rozier to also develop.

If we can leverage an AB + IT combo to get a big piece I think it could be great

[Boris Badenov]

Bradley to PHI is an intriguing - he's young, solid and locked up cheaply. He doesn't conflict position-wise with any of the prospects Philly has now or even is likely to draft (I don't see any SGs in the top 5 of most 2016 mock drafts for example).

At some point Philly will need to bring in supporting cast veteran types and Bradley fills the bill as well as anyone.

But what would we have to add to get Noel? The 2018 BKN pick and maybe KO (who would be a nice fit with Philly's remaining low-post bigs)? Would that be enough?

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley to PHI is an intriguing - he's young, solid and locked up cheaply. He doesn't conflict position-wise with any of the prospects Philly has now or even is likely to draft (I don't see any SGs in the top 5 of most 2016 mock drafts for example).

At some point Philly will need to bring in supporting cast veteran types and Bradley fills the bill as well as anyone.

But what would we have to add to get Noel? The 2018 BKN pick and maybe KO (who would be a nice fit with Philly's remaining low-post bigs)? Would that be enough?

I hate to keep posting this but would throwing in IT do the trick?

If not it would take some heavy package of picks.

If you don't want to give up Marcus or Brooklyn '16 then it'll be tough to get Noel

[LarBrd33]

I should have clarified, Pho - I absolutely think Philly would want at least Smart in a trade for Noel, but both Smart and the BKN pick seems like a bit much. And, hey, if they don't want to give up Noel, I will gladly take Okafor off of their hands.

I'm President of the Boston Celtic Nerlens Noel fan club.

No thanks to Smart + Brooklyn 1st.   Too much. 

As for Gallo... i get why we'd want him.  He can't be traded until Feb 1st.  I get that we're unlikely to land stars in free agency, but I'm not sure tying money up for Gallo is the smart move. He's not a star.  Gallo isn't a star target.

[PhoSita]

But what would we have to add to get Noel? The 2018 BKN pick and maybe KO (who would be a nice fit with Philly's remaining low-post bigs)? Would that be enough?

No.  Those are all probably just decent, but not great, pieces.  Like I said above, I really don't think Philly moves Noel for less than a godfather offer.  They're just not in a hurry to unload their best pieces just to acquire depth that won't really get them anywhere in the short term.

[j804]

Gallinari doesn't do much for us in the long term and it just seems like he's got tons of miles and could be breaking down soon. I'm not seeing the fit

[Ilikesports17]

Gallinari doesn't do much for us in the long term and it just seems like he's got tons of miles and could be breaking down soon. I'm not seeing the fit

Well his skill set offensively would fit in really well here so there's that. Also he does have a lot of miles on him but he's relatively young and this year has actually arguably been his best year so I don't necessarily buy that he is slowing down.

I think his contract is an overlay, but it's justifiable. If the acquisition is a part of a bigger plan.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Gallinari doesn't do much for us in the long term and it just seems like he's got tons of miles and could be breaking down soon. I'm not seeing the fit

He's a 20 ppg / 6 rpg / .455 3pt% shooter who can play defense and is 6'10" and only 27.  Those don't exactly grow on trees and he can probably be had for a pick and a role player. 

Not you necessarily, but people drool over Tobias Harris and Rudy Gay on here and he is a far superior player to both. 

[chambers]

Gallo is overpaid (not hugely) but the larger issue would be his high injury risk.

Here are main reasons a Gallo trade is unlikely:
1)To get Gallo we'd have to give up at least our own pick+the Dallas pick+David Lee. In doing so, we make Denver even worse and hurt our Nets pick's chances. So we'd be left with only a Nets pick that gets one or two spots worse.

2) he plays Jae Crowder's minutes-and Jae Crowder is arguably a better overall player anyway considering his defensive impact.


Just not happening in my eyes.
I mean if the Nuggets decided to give him away for something like our 2016 pick+David Lee then yeah, Ainge takes it. But for anything more he's just not that big of an upgrade considering his salary, position and injury history.