Gallinari & Nerlens Noel are the targets

[aingeforthree]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

[Ilikesports17]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

[wdleehi]

Celtics may want, but has their been any clue if the other teams want to give up those players? 

[slamtheking]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

Noel's a D-centric center that has no offensive game and is a mediocre rebounder at best.  It shouldn't take either Smart or any Brooklyn picks to get him.  This would be on of those situations where Philly could significantly improve by making a quantity for quality trade.  Just spitballing without the trade checker: Zeller, Young, Rozier and the lesser of the C's/Dallas pick OR KO, Young and the better of the C's/Dallas picks. 

Gallo would help our offense but if I recall correctly, his D is suspect.  he's also had health issues.  I wouldn't pay a king's ransom for him either.  Denver would want someone pretty good but I wouldn't cough our best players to get him.  More spitballing: Zeller, Rozier, Hunter better of C's/Dallas picks.

[PhoSita]

Problem is that, arguably, Gallo and Noel are the best player on their respective teams, at least in terms of helping the team win right now.  Denver has never been big on making obvious tank moves and Philly is trying to avoid the perception that they are constantly making backward moves instead of progressing forward.

So I think you'd have to really blow the Nuggets or Sixers away to get them to trade those guys.

[Ilikesports17]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

Noel's a D-centric center that has no offensive game and is a mediocre rebounder at best.  It shouldn't take either Smart or any Brooklyn picks to get him.  This would be on of those situations where Philly could significantly improve by making a quantity for quality trade.  Just spitballing without the trade checker: Zeller, Young, Rozier and the lesser of the C's/Dallas pick OR KO, Young and the better of the C's/Dallas picks. 

Gallo would help our offense but if I recall correctly, his D is suspect.  he's also had health issues.  I wouldn't pay a king's ransom for him either.  Denver would want someone pretty good but I wouldn't cough our best players to get him.  More spitballing: Zeller, Rozier, Hunter better of C's/Dallas picks.

Both players have issues but I don't think either are on the trading block so you'd have to overpay I think the deals would have to be something like: Lee + 2 firsts + maybe a young or a zeller for Gallo
Smart + Something  for Noel

It's not about what they are worth it is about what it would take to get them

[aingeforthree]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

For Gallinari, I think it centers around the expiring Lee contract plus 2 great picks.  Not necessarily Brooklyn's next year, but the Celtics pick plus Brooklyn's in 2018.

For Noel, I think Bradley or Sullinger are involved, & not Smart.  Again, you need to include picks as well here, plus maybe one of the rooks (Hunter, Mickey, Rozier).

[Quetzalcoatl]

Noel's a D-centric center that has no offensive game and is a mediocre rebounder at best.  It shouldn't take either Smart or any Brooklyn picks to get him.  This would be on of those situations where Philly could significantly improve by making a quantity for quality trade.  Just spitballing without the trade checker: Zeller, Young, Rozier and the lesser of the C's/Dallas pick OR KO, Young and the better of the C's/Dallas picks. 

Gallo would help our offense but if I recall correctly, his D is suspect.  he's also had health issues.  I wouldn't pay a king's ransom for him either.  Denver would want someone pretty good but I wouldn't cough our best players to get him.  More spitballing: Zeller, Rozier, Hunter better of C's/Dallas picks.

Gallo's D is not really that suspect, it's just that if Stevens wants to play him as a PF in small ball line ups, he's going to have trouble guarding some of them.  He's really good though.  I think if Andrea Bargnani never existed, everyone would have a proper understanding of how good Gallo is, but everyone always kind of lumps them together.  He's a borderline star.  Not to mention he's shooting .455 from 3 this year.  His only real knock is durability. Seriously, watch him play sometime.  He can light it up and he's scored at least 20 every game back from his most recent injury.

Noel isn't great on offense....yet.  The thing is though that he has all the makings of someone who could get it together.  I think these are great targets, but I wouldn't give up Smart, any of the BK picks, Isaiah, Bradley, Crowder or KO for them.  We still need a team once we get them and our only chance of putting together a championship squad would probably involve all of that.  Even then, it's going to be a stretch to think we could even come close to hanging with Golden State. We'd basically need to win the lottery this year and draft Simmons, then win it next year and get Jayson Tatum.

[footey]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

For Gallinari, I think it centers around the expiring Lee contract plus 2 great picks.  Not necessarily Brooklyn's next year, but the Celtics pick plus Brooklyn's in 2018.

For Noel, I think Bradley or Sullinger are involved, & not Smart.  Again, you need to include picks as well here, plus maybe one of the rooks (Hunter, Mickey, Rozier).

Bradley has more value to our team than Smart, IMO. 

[aingeforthree]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

For Gallinari, I think it centers around the expiring Lee contract plus 2 great picks.  Not necessarily Brooklyn's next year, but the Celtics pick plus Brooklyn's in 2018.

For Noel, I think Bradley or Sullinger are involved, & not Smart.  Again, you need to include picks as well here, plus maybe one of the rooks (Hunter, Mickey, Rozier).

Bradley has more value to our team than Smart, IMO.

I'd agree.  That's why I think he goes to Philly.  The value is there and helps land a defensive minded big for the Center spot (Noel).

I think ultimately when it's all said and done, we lose Bradley and Sullinger or Olynyk (1 of the 2, not both) in trades.

[jambr380]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

Noel's a D-centric center that has no offensive game and is a mediocre rebounder at best.  It shouldn't take either Smart or any Brooklyn picks to get him.  This would be on of those situations where Philly could significantly improve by making a quantity for quality trade.  Just spitballing without the trade checker: Zeller, Young, Rozier and the lesser of the C's/Dallas pick OR KO, Young and the better of the C's/Dallas picks. 

Gallo would help our offense but if I recall correctly, his D is suspect.  he's also had health issues.  I wouldn't pay a king's ransom for him either.  Denver would want someone pretty good but I wouldn't cough our best players to get him.  More spitballing: Zeller, Rozier, Hunter better of C's/Dallas picks.

Both players have issues but I don't think either are on the trading block so you'd have to overpay I think the deals would have to be something like: Lee + 2 firsts + maybe a young or a zeller for Gallo
Smart + Something  for Noel

It's not about what they are worth it is about what it would take to get them

Those seem like reasonable offers for both. If not, I move on to other targets. We trade all of our picks except the Brooklyn one this year and go into next year with a real solid base for the future.

Denver isn't going anywhere so it makes sense to deal Gallo. I think many were surprised when he re-signed in Denver this summer, but I think they just didn't want to lose him for nothing. They might as well solidify a great pick in this year's draft as well as pick up a couple of additional picks.

A Noel for Smart swap has always made sense for both teams. With Okafor showing he really is their center of the future and with Crowder's emergence, a move now is really great for both the Cs and Sixers.

[aingeforthree]

They have to be the targets.  "Where there's smoke......"

In July of last year, Gallinari was the big rumor.  The reports were out saying the C's and Nuggets were talking. Whether that was just a muck rumor remains to be seen, you never know. He can't be traded until Feb 1st, FYI.

We all heard about the smoke pre-draft about a Noel/Celtics trade swap.  There is fire and then some with him.  Ainge has to love this kid.

These 2 have to be obvious targets.  They fit the team extremely well and can help consolidate the team while also benefiting Denver and Philly.

The ammo is there if you want to land either of them.  The two most likely can be had at a price because both teams are hurting, and hurting bad.  What that price is, who knows.

What, roughly do you think the cost would be?

To get Noel either Brooklyn '16 or Smart must be included. Gallo would probably take salary filler a number of picks and maybe another piece or two.

Basically you gut all the future assets to get the 2. Would that be worth it?

Noel's a D-centric center that has no offensive game and is a mediocre rebounder at best.  It shouldn't take either Smart or any Brooklyn picks to get him.  This would be on of those situations where Philly could significantly improve by making a quantity for quality trade.  Just spitballing without the trade checker: Zeller, Young, Rozier and the lesser of the C's/Dallas pick OR KO, Young and the better of the C's/Dallas picks. 

Gallo would help our offense but if I recall correctly, his D is suspect.  he's also had health issues.  I wouldn't pay a king's ransom for him either.  Denver would want someone pretty good but I wouldn't cough our best players to get him.  More spitballing: Zeller, Rozier, Hunter better of C's/Dallas picks.

Both players have issues but I don't think either are on the trading block so you'd have to overpay I think the deals would have to be something like: Lee + 2 firsts + maybe a young or a zeller for Gallo
Smart + Something  for Noel

It's not about what they are worth it is about what it would take to get them

Those seem like reasonable offers for both. If not, I move on to other targets. We trade all of our picks except the Brooklyn one this year and go into next year with a real solid base for the future.

Denver isn't going anywhere so it makes sense to deal Gallo. I think many were surprised when he re-signed in Denver this summer, but I think they just didn't want to lose him for nothing. They might as well solidify a great pick in this year's draft as well as pick up a couple of additional picks.

A Noel for Smart swap has always made sense for both teams. With Okafor showing he really is their center of the future and with Crowder's emergence, a move now is really great for both the Cs and Sixers.

I personally don't think Ainge is willing to part with Smart, Rozier, Mickey, or Hunter for players like Noel and Gallinari.  Bradley, Sullinger, and Olynyk, Yes.  The others, no. IMO, he sees them as players who will develop over time into top tier starters, while Bradley, Sullinger, & Olynyk top out to where they are right now.

I think ultimately Ainge sees Smart, IT, and Rozier as players who will get major minutes in the near future at the guard positions, & Ainge adds a top tier shooter to that mix who can be his go to guy down the stretch (think Derozan, but better.  Either thru trade or the draft).

At the SF position, Ainge wants to roll with Crowder and Gallinari.  I think he uses Turner and his contract in trade, & Hunter/Young stay while one is moved (Probably Young).

At the PF & C position, it's Johnson, Noel, & Mickey, with whomever remains of Sully/Olynyk (so they can stretch it a bit).

[obnoxiousmime]

I don't think the Sixers are in a rush to deal anybody this season, but it's possible Okafor or Noel will be traded this offseason. They need to figure out if Noel is open to re-signing when his deal is up in 2017, and I have to think that either he just wants out of there and threatens to sign the qualifying or he tells them to make a choice between him and Okafor because they probably can't play well together. Also, what happens when Embiid comes back? I expect Philly to use the offseason as an opportunity to start making "fit" moves since Colangelo wants to prove they're not just outright tanking another season. The guy is 76 years old, do you think he wants to just stay the course and wait for all these young players to develop? Expect them to target younger players who have at least a few years experience, like Smart.

I think Gallinari will be a pretty hot commodity because there just aren't many shooters like him available. His contract is pretty pricey, so the team that targets him is probably one that has cap space and also doesn't expect to be able to lure free agents, necessitating a trade to acquire talent. Denver doesn't seem to want to totally tank though, despite their record. They re-signed Gallinari and Chandler to big deals in the offseason and they've never really thrown Faried out there in trade talks. I think they believe their rebuild might be a short one. They already have strong prospects in Mudiay, Nurkic, and Barton. They just need time to see everyone play together when healthy.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm for getting Nerlins

[Evantime34]

They are good targets and I'm sure Danny is inquiring about them.

Gallo would be a good fit, but I'm not sure paying a lot to add him to our team does a ton for us long term. It was rumored that the Nuggets wanted two firsts for either Gallo or Faried, at this point in the rebuild I'm not sure it is prudent to pay for that price for a player.

I'm only trading for Gallinari if we can use an asset that won't be on the team long term and maybe a first to get him (something like Sullinger, Lee, and a first). He's not the type of player you sacrifice the future for to get.

Noel is a piece you sacrifice future assets to get, because he himself is a future asset. The problem is his price might be so much that the C's end being at a net negative once giving up assets for him.

I'd love to get both these players, but only if the price is not prohibitive to the team's future.

At this point, with how this team is playing, I think the best course might to do what they did last year. Get rid of any pieces that won't be here next year, and only use picks to when you see a great value in the market. To me it seems like a time to strike in the trade market is in the offseason not at the deadline.