Jarrett Jack out for the season

[Ilikesports17]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.

You seem to have a lot of time for revisionism. So please find these threads.

It doesn't really matter to me, because the worst prediction so far appears to be that Brooklyn would "hover around .500". I'm sure we all know who made that one.

It's just kind of boring.  Did I need to qualify my comment by saying, "people here thought Brooklyn would drop from a 38 win team to one of the worst teams in the league simply by replacing Deron's minutes with Jack"... would that have ruffled less feathers? 


This was what was pointed out to me in the offseason:

It's not just this board though. It's literally everyone, everywhere.

Lowe

The Nets roster beyond Brook Lopez, Thad Young, and Joe Johnson is a train wreck, and the Young-Lopez front line isn’t stopping anyone. The Nets are one Lopez foot injury from being a sub-20-win team.

Newsday
2nd worst record in the east, only Sixers are predicted to be worse.

Marc Stein
Ranked 29th out of 30 teams

Instead of the title he vowed to win within five years and clinch eternal bachelorhood, Mikhail Prokhorov enters Season 6 as Nets owner as a single man -- because he never went through with that self-threat to find a wife -- facing a l-o-n-g wait 'til next summer's chance to get back into the open market as a big spender.

Vegas
Tied for 3rd worst odds to win the title.
Tied for 2nd worst odds to win the conference.

Nets fan site
http://thebrooklyngame.com/brooklyn-nets-2015-2016-season-preview-bad/

Record Prediction: 28-54, T-13th in East

New York Post

33-49, 3rd in Atlantic, 11th in East

6 different CSN writers

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Bucks; 6. Hawks; 7. Heat; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Magic; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bucks; 3. Hawks; 4. Wizards; 5. Bulls; 6. Heat; 7. Celtics; 8. Raptors; 9. Pacers; 10. Magic; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Hornets; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Heat; 3. Bulls; 4. Hawks; 5. Wizards; 6. Bucks; 7. Raptors; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Pistons; 11. Magic; 12. Hornets; 13. Knicks; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Bulls; 2. Cavaliers; 3. Wizards; 4. Hawks; 5. Raptors; 6. Bucks; 7. Pacers; 8. Celtics; 9. Heat; 10. Magic; 11. Hornets; 12. Nets; 13. Knicks; 14. Pistons; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Hawks; 6. Bucks; 7. Heat; 8. Celtics; 9. Pacers; 10. Nets; 11. Knicks; 12. Pistons; 13. Magic; 14. Hornets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Hawks; 3. Bulls; 4. Wizards; 5. Raptors; 6. Heat; 7. Bucks; 8. Celtics. 9. Pacers; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Nets; 14. Magic; 15. Sixers.

Another quote:

1. Deron Williams was nowhere near as good as he used to be, but he was still arguably their best player (his 14-15 real plus-minus was the best on the team by a substantial margin).

2. Jarrett Jack is taking Deron Williams minutes and he's an advanced stat nightmare. The Nets were awful with him on the floor (as the Cavs were the year before).

I mentioned that I thought Jarret Jack was serviceable PG and the response was:

I see your baseless claim and I raise you one fact backed by evidence: the Nets were TERRIBLE without Williams. From January 5th through January 30th, Williams played in just one game, totalling 4 minutes played. The Nets finished this stretch with a record of 2-11. It's not really debatable, the Nets are significantly worse without Williams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01/gamelog/2015/

And:

as mediocre as deron has been, at least he got the ball moving around. jack is FAR worse, he gets a few assists, but turns the ball over a lot and chucks up shots like you wouldn't believe.

But now Jack's injury is significant?  Ok, whatever.   I can't keep up with this.   Alls I know is, Brook Lopez has managed to beast over Boston 2 out of 3 games and we should feel lucky they are currently sitting with the 3rd worst record in the league.   I hope it continues.   10-23 is really bad and they are on pace to finish much worse than I expected (35ish wins)...  Granted, there's still a lot of time left in the season, a soft schedule coming up and a scary April that could have teams rolling over for Brooklyn.   When I see the team with 5 more wins than Brooklyn currently projected to pick 14th, I still get a little nervous.  We got 50 games left in this season.  They are 13 games under .500.  Boston crawled back from 17 under .500 last year.  A lot can happen.

What was the point of all the quotes?

All the writers in the whole [dang] world thought Brooklyn was gonna be between the second and 10th worst team in the league and here there are sitting in 3rd and they just lost their point guard.

I was on the jack sucks bandwagon but he certainly sucks less than Donald Sloan. Who will get minutes in his place and as much as I like Larkin, a team with defensive issues doesn't need his lack of size at the point.

So in conclusion. The nets have been bad like everyone thought they'd be and losing a starter even if he is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty starter is a big deal for a team that might have the least depth of any team in the NBA.

To your last point they have an easy schedule coming up and i could easily see Phoenix out tanking them. I am also worried that they creep out of the bottom 3 but i don't see that pick getting worse than 6 or 7.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't get the confusion, yeah JJ can be bad and BKN can get worse without him. It's pretty simple, his backup is worse than he is and (quality) depth will be an issue. Just because he will be missed doesn't necessarily mean he is a good player.

[Moranis]

Seems like a place for Tony Wroten to end up.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Seems like a place for Tony Wroten to end up.

Isn't he with Philadelphia?

Edit: Just saw he was waived.

[Moranis]

Seems like a place for Tony Wroten to end up.

Isn't he with Philadelphia?

Edit: Just saw he was waived.

Yep and cleared waivers.  A team like Brooklyn makes a lot of sense for both parties.  Wroten will get a chance to play and Brooklyn needs bodies and doesn't own its own pick so there is no reason to tank (not that Wroten will do much for that, but he might get them a win or two over whatever crap they have at PG now). 

[chambers]

At least it hurts the depth of the shallowest team in the NBA.

If the Lakers can have a bad, but not 2015-terrible end to this season, we really could be getting one of Simmons or this guy...they would both likely change the direction of our franchise for the next 10 seasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVLw-5VdcU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7x2-ivkYbw

[RockinRyA]

Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them.

I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.

Larkin in the end will lead better he is a true PG. Hopefully they will lose a bunch before they turn it around. I hope they give Pressley a shot.

Pressey might do wonders for them, even as a backup.

Anyway I still think the Nets would be a bottom 5 team when all is said and done. Im predicting the pick will be at 5th-7th best odds. But I'd love to be wrong and have it at where it is now. My only worry is if the other teams start tanking and would make the pick worse than it is now.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them.



I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.

Larkin in the end will lead better he is a true PG. Hopefully they will lose a bunch before they turn it around. I hope they give Pressley a shot.

Pressey might do wonders for them, even as a backup.

Anyway I still think the Nets would be a bottom 5 team when all is said and done. Im predicting the pick will be at 5th-7th best odds. But I'd love to be wrong and have it at where it is now. My only worry is if the other teams start tanking and would make the pick worse than it is now.

All we need is Danny to pull a Nancy Kerrigan on Lopez (only joking...but not really haha) and that top 2 pick would be ours.