Jarrett Jack out for the season

[KG Living Legend]

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[MBunge]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.

Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

1.  Deron Williams became the whipping boy for the Nets as a whole underperforming as much as they did, probably because he arrived to the Nets with the reputation of being on the same level as Chris Paul.

2.  The Nets were bad last season and got rid of one of their top three players and most of their bench.  Why wouldn't they be worse this year?

Mike

[KeepRondo]

Yes!

[celticsclay]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.

Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

You really struggle to understand the concept of depth.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Sucks, I've always been a big fan of Jack... but I'm happy on the inside, on the inside only... in my private thoughts. Celtics' future tops everything.

But... yeah, incredibly sad for him still.

[Vox_Populi]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

[LarBrd33]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.

Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

You really struggle to understand the concept of depth.

Depth in the NBA is super overrated.

[LarBrd33]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

I'll point out that you said "forum", yet you source is "Celtics Life". Though I'm sure there's always someone out there in the forums saying they're the worst. Doesn't make it representative of the whole. But whatever, as long as it gives you room to point.

Secondly, a lot of omissions there. For example, health of Lopez put a lot of weight into that analysis. Lopez has remained healthy, yet they're still among the bottom feeders for now. And the gist of it was not that the Nets were the worst team, but that they could be if they run into some injuries.

If Lopez stays healthy, well they probably won't end up being the worst (as Thorpe's analysis mentioned).

The Jack loss could be troublesome for them though.

That said, they've had like 3 seasons in a row where they were in the bottom and climbed out. I hope they don't. I don't think they will this time. But I'm not counting my eggs.

[csfansince60s]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

I'll point out that you said "forum", yet you source is "Celtics Life". Though I'm sure there's always someone out there in the forums saying they're the worst. Doesn't make it representative of the whole. But whatever, as long as it gives you room to point.

Secondly, a lot of omissions there. For example, health of Lopez put a lot of weight into that analysis. Lopez has remained healthy, yet they're still among the bottom feeders for now. And the gist of it was not that the Nets were the worst team, but that they could be if they run into some injuries.

If Lopez stays healthy, well they probably won't end up being the worst (as Thorpe's analysis mentioned).

The Jack loss could be troublesome for them though.

That said, they've had like 3 seasons in a row where they were in the bottom and climbed out. I hope they don't. I don't think they will this time. But I'm not counting my eggs.

Don't worry,my they won't.

Last year, like us, all they had to do was climb over a bunch of dead bodies to get out (make the playoffs), and like us, they barely did it. (Terrible "luck" on our part, but  that's for another thread.)

Those dead bodies,Indiana, Miami, Detroit, Charlotte, the Knicks are no longer dead.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

I'll point out that you said "forum", yet you source is "Celtics Life". Though I'm sure there's always someone out there in the forums saying they're the worst. Doesn't make it representative of the whole. But whatever, as long as it gives you room to point.

Secondly, a lot of omissions there. For example, health of Lopez put a lot of weight into that analysis. Lopez has remained healthy, yet they're still among the bottom feeders for now. And the gist of it was not that the Nets were the worst team, but that they could be if they run into some injuries.

If Lopez stays healthy, well they probably won't end up being the worst (as Thorpe's analysis mentioned).

The Jack loss could be troublesome for them though.

That said, they've had like 3 seasons in a row where they were in the bottom and climbed out. I hope they don't. I don't think they will this time. But I'm not counting my eggs.

Don't worry,my they won't.

Last year, like us, all they had to do was climb over a bunch of dead bodies to get out (make the playoffs), and like us, they barely did it. (Terrible "luck" on our part, but  that's for another thread.)

Those dead bodies,Indiana, Miami, Detroit, Charlotte, the Knicks are no longer dead.

We didn't have their pick last season, so it really wasn't terrible luck for us.

[Smitty77]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.

Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

I can ASSURE you LrdBrd that you NEVER heard ME trash the game of Jarrett (two T's BTW) Jack!!!  He has always been a heady player that has done as much with limited talent as any PG/SG in the NBA!!!  He has ALWAYS been a very solid defender and has never shied away from taking big shots!!

If he can come back from this injury, he would make a PERFECT veteran back up PG!!!  Very unselfish and his game has NEVER been contingent on superior athletic ability!!

Get well JJ!!!!  Love you at Georgia Tech and have followed your career since!!!!

Smitty77

[colincb]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.

I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.

Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

Nice Google search. But the experts in that one article you cited actually said:

538 website: 25—57 for 3rd worst

ESPN’s Pelton had them as 12th in the East with 30 wins

ESPN’a Abbott said they were destined to be the worst team though he was probably referring to their long-term situation as ESPN claimed their three-yeasr outlook was the worst in the NBA.

Thorpe said “The only way they aren’t the worst team in the league, I think, is if Brook Lopez stays healthy, so good luck with that, right?”

[SCeltic34]

If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.

Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

You really struggle to understand the concept of depth.

Depth in the NBA is super overrated.

You're right.  Depth hasn't really been all that important to teams like Golden State, Miami, or San Antonio over the last 5 or so years.

[Ilikesports17]

Thought jack was a garbage pg but the Nets will take a hit with him out.

Big opportunity for Larkin who I kinda like.