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Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2016, 09:04:46 PM »

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I think  after factoring in a few games of rebuilding nets chemistry, Jack's absence may not be as big as it may seem. Jack was never known for his defense so on one end of the floor you cant really claim a legit drop off.

Now regarding offense, Young, Bojan, Johnson, Ellington, and Larkin will more then likely take a community approach for those FGA's. I live in NYC so i get Nets games and Larkin runs the P&R rather well with Lopez. Johnson is forced to earn his money or look dumb collecting it at this point. I doubt he stays stagnant as far as his usage rate  and play making goes.



Either NBA centers suck at playing defense or Lopez just been a offensive beast. on top of that he's super passive so i know this aint no energetic fluke. I wouldnt be surprise if their new rotations work out just as well as pre injury jack

They Deffinetely are in a worst place then they were with Jack. I dont expect a steep drop off in wins is all I think

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2016, 09:09:27 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I think it was more Brooklyn moving from a PG combo of

(1) Deron Williams (solid starter) + Jarrett Jack (high grade backup PG) = good PG combo, near average to average PG combo

to

(2) Jarrett Jack (adequate starter) + Shane Larkin (very poor backup PG) = one of weakest PG combos in the league


Now, things are even worse with Shane Larkin (average 3rd string PG) moving into an even larger role and getting even more minutes as the new starting PG.
Right, but the funny part was that while Deron was in Brooklyn all I heard about was how awful he was.  Then he leaves and everyone tells me how awful Jarret Jack is.  Now Jack is gone and I'm supposed to expect this makes a top 5 pick even more likely. 

As long as Lopez is healthy, they have a shot to spoil our party.

You really struggle to understand the concept of depth.
Depth in the NBA is super overrated.

You're right.  Depth hasn't really been all that important to teams like Golden State, Miami, or San Antonio over the last 5 or so years.
Yup. 

Stars are what counts.  As long as Lopez is beasting, that pick is in danger of inching out of the top 5.  With or without Jack.  Doesn't matter.  We haven't lost 2 out of 3 against Brooklyn because of Jarret jack (well actually jack dropped 22 on us in game 2, but it was still Lopez as the key driving force abusing us inside).

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2016, 09:12:33 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.
You seem to have a lot of time for revisionism. So please find these threads.

It doesn't really matter to me, because the worst prediction so far appears to be that Brooklyn would "hover around .500". I'm sure we all know who made that one.

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2016, 09:15:35 PM »

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In the end it will be a top 5 pick... they are losing bodies.. starters... lopez and young cannot last forever

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2016, 09:16:27 PM »

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The issue is if we are a playoff team

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2016, 09:34:01 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.
You seem to have a lot of time for revisionism. So please find these threads.

It doesn't really matter to me, because the worst prediction so far appears to be that Brooklyn would "hover around .500". I'm sure we all know who made that one.
not sure if you're saying LB's worst prediction or the worst prediction in general.  LB's on the very short list of those who claimed the Nets would make the playoffs.  I seem to recall most everyone predicted them out of the playoffs but finishing around the 8-12 spot prior to the lottery.  Personally, I predicted them in the bottom 5 since preseason and still feel they'll wind up in the bottom 5 despite NO and Phx being much worse than expected this year.

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2016, 09:34:31 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.
You seem to have a lot of time for revisionism. So please find these threads.

It doesn't really matter to me, because the worst prediction so far appears to be that Brooklyn would "hover around .500". I'm sure we all know who made that one.

It's just kind of boring.  Did I need to qualify my comment by saying, "people here thought Brooklyn would drop from a 38 win team to one of the worst teams in the league simply by replacing Deron's minutes with Jack"... would that have ruffled less feathers? 


This was what was pointed out to me in the offseason:

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It's not just this board though. It's literally everyone, everywhere.

Lowe
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The Nets roster beyond Brook Lopez, Thad Young, and Joe Johnson is a train wreck, and the Young-Lopez front line isn’t stopping anyone. The Nets are one Lopez foot injury from being a sub-20-win team.

Newsday
2nd worst record in the east, only Sixers are predicted to be worse.

Marc Stein
Ranked 29th out of 30 teams
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Instead of the title he vowed to win within five years and clinch eternal bachelorhood, Mikhail Prokhorov enters Season 6 as Nets owner as a single man -- because he never went through with that self-threat to find a wife -- facing a l-o-n-g wait 'til next summer's chance to get back into the open market as a big spender.

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Tied for 3rd worst odds to win the title.
Tied for 2nd worst odds to win the conference.

Nets fan site
http://thebrooklyngame.com/brooklyn-nets-2015-2016-season-preview-bad/
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Record Prediction: 28-54, T-13th in East

New York Post
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33-49, 3rd in Atlantic, 11th in East

6 different CSN writers
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East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Bucks; 6. Hawks; 7. Heat; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Magic; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bucks; 3. Hawks; 4. Wizards; 5. Bulls; 6. Heat; 7. Celtics; 8. Raptors; 9. Pacers; 10. Magic; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Hornets; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Heat; 3. Bulls; 4. Hawks; 5. Wizards; 6. Bucks; 7. Raptors; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Pistons; 11. Magic; 12. Hornets; 13. Knicks; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Bulls; 2. Cavaliers; 3. Wizards; 4. Hawks; 5. Raptors; 6. Bucks; 7. Pacers; 8. Celtics; 9. Heat; 10. Magic; 11. Hornets; 12. Nets; 13. Knicks; 14. Pistons; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Hawks; 6. Bucks; 7. Heat; 8. Celtics; 9. Pacers; 10. Nets; 11. Knicks; 12. Pistons; 13. Magic; 14. Hornets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Hawks; 3. Bulls; 4. Wizards; 5. Raptors; 6. Heat; 7. Bucks; 8. Celtics. 9. Pacers; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Nets; 14. Magic; 15. Sixers.

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1. Deron Williams was nowhere near as good as he used to be, but he was still arguably their best player (his 14-15 real plus-minus was the best on the team by a substantial margin).

2. Jarrett Jack is taking Deron Williams minutes and he's an advanced stat nightmare. The Nets were awful with him on the floor (as the Cavs were the year before).

I mentioned that I thought Jarret Jack was serviceable PG and the response was:

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I see your baseless claim and I raise you one fact backed by evidence: the Nets were TERRIBLE without Williams. From January 5th through January 30th, Williams played in just one game, totalling 4 minutes played. The Nets finished this stretch with a record of 2-11. It's not really debatable, the Nets are significantly worse without Williams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01/gamelog/2015/

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as mediocre as deron has been, at least he got the ball moving around. jack is FAR worse, he gets a few assists, but turns the ball over a lot and chucks up shots like you wouldn't believe.

But now Jack's injury is significant?  Ok, whatever.   I can't keep up with this.   Alls I know is, Brook Lopez has managed to beast over Boston 2 out of 3 games and we should feel lucky they are currently sitting with the 3rd worst record in the league.   I hope it continues.   10-23 is really bad and they are on pace to finish much worse than I expected (35ish wins)...  Granted, there's still a lot of time left in the season, a soft schedule coming up and a scary April that could have teams rolling over for Brooklyn.   When I see the team with 5 more wins than Brooklyn currently projected to pick 14th, I still get a little nervous.  We got 50 games left in this season.  They are 13 games under .500.  Boston crawled back from 17 under .500 last year.  A lot can happen. 

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2016, 09:47:16 PM »

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Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them instead of Jack taking them.

I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.
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Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2016, 09:50:05 PM »

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Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them.

I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.
Larkin in the end will lead better he is a true PG. Hopefully they will lose a bunch before they turn it around. I hope they give Pressley a shot.
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Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2016, 10:18:32 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

I'll point out that you said "forum", yet you source is "Celtics Life". Though I'm sure there's always someone out there in the forums saying they're the worst. Doesn't make it representative of the whole. But whatever, as long as it gives you room to point.

Secondly, a lot of omissions there. For example, health of Lopez put a lot of weight into that analysis. Lopez has remained healthy, yet they're still among the bottom feeders for now. And the gist of it was not that the Nets were the worst team, but that they could be if they run into some injuries.

If Lopez stays healthy, well they probably won't end up being the worst (as Thorpe's analysis mentioned).

The Jack loss could be troublesome for them though.

That said, they've had like 3 seasons in a row where they were in the bottom and climbed out. I hope they don't. I don't think they will this time. But I'm not counting my eggs.

Don't worry,my they won't.

Last year, like us, all they had to do was climb over a bunch of dead bodies to get out (make the playoffs), and like us, they barely did it. (Terrible "luck" on our part, but  that's for another thread.)

Those dead bodies,Indiana, Miami, Detroit, Charlotte, the Knicks are no longer dead.

We didn't have their pick last season, so it really wasn't terrible luck for us. :)

I was referring to our bad luck in making the playoffs and losing out on a lottery pick which would have been a lot easier to move up with, if we had wanted to.

But hey, we made the playoffs...immediate gratification....very shortsighted. But hey, Wyc got to fill the Garden and cheer from his baseline seats .....twice.

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2016, 10:28:02 PM »

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Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them.

I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.
Larkin in the end will lead better he is a true PG. Hopefully they will lose a bunch before they turn it around. I hope they give Pressley a shot.

Larkin is more of a 3rd stringer than a starter.

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2016, 11:14:25 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.  Lots of "experts" were sourced like this one: http://www.celticslife.com/2015/10/the-brooklyn-nets-worst-team-in-nba.html

My whole thing was that Brooklyn finished the season strong with Brook and Thad.  Their bench was pretty weak so losing them and Deron didn't seem like a killer.

They've been much worse than I expected.   Still a lot of time for them to spoil our party, though.

I'll point out that you said "forum", yet you source is "Celtics Life". Though I'm sure there's always someone out there in the forums saying they're the worst. Doesn't make it representative of the whole. But whatever, as long as it gives you room to point.

Secondly, a lot of omissions there. For example, health of Lopez put a lot of weight into that analysis. Lopez has remained healthy, yet they're still among the bottom feeders for now. And the gist of it was not that the Nets were the worst team, but that they could be if they run into some injuries.

If Lopez stays healthy, well they probably won't end up being the worst (as Thorpe's analysis mentioned).

The Jack loss could be troublesome for them though.

That said, they've had like 3 seasons in a row where they were in the bottom and climbed out. I hope they don't. I don't think they will this time. But I'm not counting my eggs.

Don't worry,my they won't.

Last year, like us, all they had to do was climb over a bunch of dead bodies to get out (make the playoffs), and like us, they barely did it. (Terrible "luck" on our part, but  that's for another thread.)

Those dead bodies,Indiana, Miami, Detroit, Charlotte, the Knicks are no longer dead.

We didn't have their pick last season, so it really wasn't terrible luck for us. :)

I was referring to our bad luck in making the playoffs and losing out on a lottery pick which would have been a lot easier to move up with, if we had wanted to.

But hey, we made the playoffs...immediate gratification....very shortsighted. But hey, Wyc got to fill the Garden and cheer from his baseline seats .....twice.

If that's the only thing you think was gained from making the playoffs, then yeah... shortsighted.

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2016, 11:34:05 PM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Others have made a couple of points I agree with debunking your logic here, mainly that it's not that Jack is terrible, but that they moved Jack to replace Williams in the starting lineup and didn't acquire a single legitimate player to be his backup. One thing that I haven't really seen though, is pointing out the absurdity of your entire argument in the above post. The people who said that losing Williams and not bringing in at least a backup would make Brooklyn a terrible team weren't wrong, as you insanely seem to suggest. As others have said, the majority of those who suggested losing Williams would significantly impact the Nets generally predicted a bottom 3-10 record for the Nets. Even in cherry picking of reporters and analysts who predicted the Nets' struggles, you couldn't find a single pro journo that predicted the Nets would finish last, not even those at CSNNE. It's honestly laughable that you included a prediction that said the Nets would be 11th worst in the East as if that supported your argument. That prediction is only wrong, thus far, because it predicted that the Nets would be better than they have been thus far.

Considering the Nets are 3rd worst in the whole league through 30+ games without an injury to Jack, Young, nor Lopez, even if you compared the anti-Nets extremists' preseason argument (worst team in the league) to your argument (12-16th worst team in the league), you are still far, far more incorrect than the extremists have been thus far. And if you compare it to the argument of most - that the Nets would be a bottom 10 team at least - and yours, you couldn't, realistically (because even you would never have said something like the Nets are going to be a contender) have been more wrong at this point in the season. I suspect you are wrong that losing Jack doesn't still mean the Nets can't make the playoffs, too. You might be one of the only people in NBA history who has argued that a bottom 3 team that lost its starting PG and third best player could still make the playoffs with about 45 games left in a conference better than it was the year before.

Back to the OP, losing Jack will hurt the Nets. They will still be bottom 5. They definitely won't be worse than Philly. They almost definitely won't be worse than LAL. There's a 50/50 chance that they will be worse than PHX, and I think it's unlikely that NOP tanks hard enough to rack up more losses than NOP. So, they're still in that 3-5 range. But I think this Jack injury makes it nearly impossible that they climb out of that bottom 5 hole. Jack was playing 32 minutes a game, allowing them to only need Larkin and Sloan for 16 mpg. That was bad enough. Now they need them for 48 mpg. Only a team with a top 10 player - and likely more - could manage to be better than atrocious with those two manning PG duties.
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Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2016, 12:00:11 AM »

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If memory recalls, most of this forum was convinced Brooklyn would drop from being a 38 win playoff team to the worst team in the league simply because they were giving Deron Williams' minutes to Jarret Jack.   I was told Jarret Jack was so incomprehensibly bad that Brooklyn would be hopeless.

So who knows... maybe swapping out Jarret Jack for Shane Larkin will not really matter.   

I still think Brooklyn is a threat to dig out of the bottom 5 as long as Brook Lopez is there.

Nobody thought they were going to be the worst team in the NBA.
I can't believe he wrote that. Even the most optimistic fan knew Philly and maybe the Lakers would be worse. Literally no one said that.
Ya'll have short memories.  There were plenty of threads saying Brooklyn would have the worst record.
You seem to have a lot of time for revisionism. So please find these threads.

It doesn't really matter to me, because the worst prediction so far appears to be that Brooklyn would "hover around .500". I'm sure we all know who made that one.

It's just kind of boring.  Did I need to qualify my comment by saying, "people here thought Brooklyn would drop from a 38 win team to one of the worst teams in the league simply by replacing Deron's minutes with Jack"... would that have ruffled less feathers? 


This was what was pointed out to me in the offseason:

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It's not just this board though. It's literally everyone, everywhere.

Lowe
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The Nets roster beyond Brook Lopez, Thad Young, and Joe Johnson is a train wreck, and the Young-Lopez front line isn’t stopping anyone. The Nets are one Lopez foot injury from being a sub-20-win team.

Newsday
2nd worst record in the east, only Sixers are predicted to be worse.

Marc Stein
Ranked 29th out of 30 teams
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Instead of the title he vowed to win within five years and clinch eternal bachelorhood, Mikhail Prokhorov enters Season 6 as Nets owner as a single man -- because he never went through with that self-threat to find a wife -- facing a l-o-n-g wait 'til next summer's chance to get back into the open market as a big spender.

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Tied for 3rd worst odds to win the title.
Tied for 2nd worst odds to win the conference.

Nets fan site
http://thebrooklyngame.com/brooklyn-nets-2015-2016-season-preview-bad/
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Record Prediction: 28-54, T-13th in East

New York Post
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33-49, 3rd in Atlantic, 11th in East

6 different CSN writers
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East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Bucks; 6. Hawks; 7. Heat; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Magic; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bucks; 3. Hawks; 4. Wizards; 5. Bulls; 6. Heat; 7. Celtics; 8. Raptors; 9. Pacers; 10. Magic; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Hornets; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Heat; 3. Bulls; 4. Hawks; 5. Wizards; 6. Bucks; 7. Raptors; 8. Pacers; 9. Celtics; 10. Pistons; 11. Magic; 12. Hornets; 13. Knicks; 14. Nets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Bulls; 2. Cavaliers; 3. Wizards; 4. Hawks; 5. Raptors; 6. Bucks; 7. Pacers; 8. Celtics; 9. Heat; 10. Magic; 11. Hornets; 12. Nets; 13. Knicks; 14. Pistons; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Bulls; 3. Wizards; 4. Raptors; 5. Hawks; 6. Bucks; 7. Heat; 8. Celtics; 9. Pacers; 10. Nets; 11. Knicks; 12. Pistons; 13. Magic; 14. Hornets; 15. Sixers.

East: 1. Cavaliers; 2. Hawks; 3. Bulls; 4. Wizards; 5. Raptors; 6. Heat; 7. Bucks; 8. Celtics. 9. Pacers; 10. Hornets; 11. Pistons; 12. Knicks; 13. Nets; 14. Magic; 15. Sixers.

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1. Deron Williams was nowhere near as good as he used to be, but he was still arguably their best player (his 14-15 real plus-minus was the best on the team by a substantial margin).

2. Jarrett Jack is taking Deron Williams minutes and he's an advanced stat nightmare. The Nets were awful with him on the floor (as the Cavs were the year before).

I mentioned that I thought Jarret Jack was serviceable PG and the response was:

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I see your baseless claim and I raise you one fact backed by evidence: the Nets were TERRIBLE without Williams. From January 5th through January 30th, Williams played in just one game, totalling 4 minutes played. The Nets finished this stretch with a record of 2-11. It's not really debatable, the Nets are significantly worse without Williams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01/gamelog/2015/

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as mediocre as deron has been, at least he got the ball moving around. jack is FAR worse, he gets a few assists, but turns the ball over a lot and chucks up shots like you wouldn't believe.

But now Jack's injury is significant?  Ok, whatever.   I can't keep up with this.   Alls I know is, Brook Lopez has managed to beast over Boston 2 out of 3 games and we should feel lucky they are currently sitting with the 3rd worst record in the league.   I hope it continues.   10-23 is really bad and they are on pace to finish much worse than I expected (35ish wins)...  Granted, there's still a lot of time left in the season, a soft schedule coming up and a scary April that could have teams rolling over for Brooklyn.   When I see the team with 5 more wins than Brooklyn currently projected to pick 14th, I still get a little nervous.  We got 50 games left in this season.  They are 13 games under .500.  Boston crawled back from 17 under .500 last year.  A lot can happen.

I have to admit, there's something impressive about simultaneously admitting you're wrong while still pretending you're smarter than everyone who was right.  Pathetic but still impressive.

Mike

Re: Jarrett Jack out for the season
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2016, 12:05:01 AM »

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Jarret Jack sucks. Because they only have Larkin as the main back up, I'm less worried about him being out.

The problem for our pick now though, is that Shane Larkin (better 3 point shooter), Lopez, Young and Johnson will all get more shots, and those looks will be more efficient when Larkin, Young and Lopez take them instead of Jack taking them.

I don't think people realize how bad Jarret Jack is.

This could be good, this could be bad. Let's hope it takes Larkin and the rest of the starters 5 or 6 games to get a flow going.

What is the average player efficiency rating of the average NBA starter Chambers?  It is 15.00.  Jarrett has a 15.1 which isn't bad for a 32 year old surrounded by arguably ONE good player in Lopez (come would argue Young, but in my mind, he is a horrible defender, but for that matter, so is Brooke, especially if he were not 8 feet tall:-)).  He is also tied for 6th in the entire league in assists despite playing on a team with the third worst record in the league.  How many potential assists are blown by Joe Johnson who is shooting the ball over 11 times per games at a stellar 35.7% clip. 

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