Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks

[Irish Stew]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets. Right now we have 3 of the top 18 picks in the draft plus a bunch of 2nd round picks. What,exactly, are we going to do with another massive influx of basically teenagers like this year? We can only send so many of them to Australia and Portland and still make the case that we are improving the Celtics. Can someone say that the 2015 NFL style draft we had will get us closer to being a championship contender? Please don't say that we can combine 13 and 18 to get to 9. We saw how that kind of attempt played out last  year.

[slamtheking]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets. Right now we have 3 of the top 18 picks in the draft plus a bunch of 2nd round picks. What,exactly, are we going to do with another massive influx of basically teenagers like this year? We can only send so many of them to Australia and Portland and still make the case that we are improving the Celtics. Can someone say that the 2015 NFL style draft we had will get us closer to being a championship contender? Please don't say that we can combine 13 and 18 to get to 9. We saw how that kind of attempt played out last  year.

I like Sully but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat provided we had Dwight's buy-in.  If he's going through the motions when he gets here, it's a bad trade in terms of the lockerroom chemistry.  I don't see Houston doing it though -- giving up Howard and Ariza to get Morris and Lee.  Phx would need to kick in something more for Houston.

as for combining the picks and claiming it'll be futile, I find that foolish.  I wouldn't take Charlotte's mismanagement as norm in the NBA.  Seriously, what other franchise would have locked in on Frank the Tank over the package Danny offered.  It's a front office led by Michael Jordan afterall - may be the worst player-to-GM since Isaiah Thomas.

[TheSundanceKid]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets. Right now we have 3 of the top 18 picks in the draft plus a bunch of 2nd round picks. What,exactly, are we going to do with another massive influx of basically teenagers like this year? We can only send so many of them to Australia and Portland and still make the case that we are improving the Celtics. Can someone say that the 2015 NFL style draft we had will get us closer to being a championship contender? Please don't say that we can combine 13 and 18 to get to 9. We saw how that kind of attempt played out last  year.

I posted this in another thread, think it's as relevant here. I don't want Howard on our team, but I'm happy to use him to help get proper talent on our team.

If we made a move that involved Dwight Howard, I'd like it to be as a third team in a deal.

How about a deal like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nqkvgyg

You'd probably need to give Houston a pick or two as well. Perhaps the CLE 2016 2nd and a 1st from Miami?

Why for Boston: We get Winslow who Danny has targeted before. We also get Luol Deng who I believe would provide excellent leadership for this team and could be pivotal in giving our players the mentality to take the next step. McRoberts could hopefully be flipped closer to the deadline to a contender in need.

Why for Houston: If they intend to shake things up then Whiteside is a great replacement for Howard. On top of that they get Rozier, projected to be a good defender and someone who can share ball handling with Harden. They could be a scary pair in the future. A couple of picks to sweeten as well.

Why for Miami: They get Howard. They seem to be all in and this would give them a 3rd All star in the lineup. They are left with a hole at SF which would need to be filled. They also receive RJ Hunter who projects to be a 3 pt threat.

It's an 8 player trade so it would be difficult to work it out. It's also very tight on cap rules so changing the players involved is more difficult. Miami would need to cut someone to make the deal work.

[Eddie20]

People keep thinking that the Rockets get bet back a center for Howard, but one of the main reasons that he's expendable is that they love Capella, who's waiting in the wings to play starters minutes at center once Howard is gone. In fact, they like Capella so much that in order to give him minutes they've been starting him NEXT to Howard.

[TheSundanceKid]

People keep thinking that the Rockets get bet back a center for Howard, but one of the main reasons that he's expendable is that they love Capella, who's waiting in the wings to play starters minutes at center once Howard is gone. In fact, they like Capella so much that in order to give him minutes they've been starting him NEXT to Howard.

Is Capella a true center? Either way that a lot to place on a young kid if they expect to compete this year. I also don't see a backup on their roster if Howard leaves, so I assume they would need someone to sub in for Capella at the very least?

[Irish Stew]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets. Right now we have 3 of the top 18 picks in the draft plus a bunch of 2nd round picks. What,exactly, are we going to do with another massive influx of basically teenagers like this year? We can only send so many of them to Australia and Portland and still make the case that we are improving the Celtics. Can someone say that the 2015 NFL style draft we had will get us closer to being a championship contender? Please don't say that we can combine 13 and 18 to get to 9. We saw how that kind of attempt played out last  year.

I like Sully but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat provided we had Dwight's buy-in.  If he's going through the motions when he gets here, it's a bad trade in terms of the lockerroom chemistry.  I don't see Houston doing it though -- giving up Howard and Ariza to get Morris and Lee.  Phx would need to kick in something more for Houston.

as for combining the picks and claiming it'll be futile, I find that foolish.  I wouldn't take Charlotte's mismanagement as norm in the NBA.  Seriously, what other franchise would have locked in on Frank the Tank over the package Danny offered.  It's a front office led by Michael Jordan afterall - may be the worst player-to-GM since Isaiah Thomas.

It wasn't their refusal of the trade that was foolish but the player that they chose probably was. Stars generally win championships and the most fertile ground is near the top of the draft. I'm all for trading up but not down. You can't guarantee that you will get a star but you do increase your chance.

[spikelovetheCelts]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

Danny Anige is not Bringing Dwight Howard to Boston. He is on decline. It is Cousins or build with youth. Drummond will get a max deal offer from Celts for sure. I may be wrong but i have been right more than not. I feel Danny's vibe in me. 

[Irish Stew]

her per minute numbers are pretty solid.  He can still average 18 and 8 for a team.  Maybe a team that needs a decent power forward will grab him.

Which teams are lacking at that position?

Houston, as part of a deal that nets them Morris and ships us Howard. This deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pb3hwev

except it's Brewer going to PHX, not Ariza. The Celtics include the 2016 Dallas 1st and a future 2nd rounder to HOU.

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets. Right now we have 3 of the top 18 picks in the draft plus a bunch of 2nd round picks. What,exactly, are we going to do with another massive influx of basically teenagers like this year? We can only send so many of them to Australia and Portland and still make the case that we are improving the Celtics. Can someone say that the 2015 NFL style draft we had will get us closer to being a championship contender? Please don't say that we can combine 13 and 18 to get to 9. We saw how that kind of attempt played out last  year.

I posted this in another thread, think it's as relevant here. I don't want Howard on our team, but I'm happy to use him to help get proper talent on our team.

If we made a move that involved Dwight Howard, I'd like it to be as a third team in a deal.

How about a deal like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nqkvgyg

You'd probably need to give Houston a pick or two as well. Perhaps the CLE 2016 2nd and a 1st from Miami?

  I like this trade for the Celtics but it seems to me that we are getting off kind of light in our contribution to this three way deal. Looking at Winslow alone, we are offering substantially less than what we were offering at draft time. We're also getting the useful Deng and sending out,  in my opinion, the virtually useless Lee. I think that we would have to send our Dallas pick to Houston as well. With that being said, I'm still in.

[ssspence]

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets.

Sully and a pick in the late teens or 20s is high risk? It's a low risk move, especially when you factor keeping Sully is high risk. If anything, the Cs are the team that needs to convince the others to do it.

I like Sully but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat provided we had Dwight's buy-in.

There's not such thing as Dwight's buy-in -- you couldn't get him this cheap if there were. He's going to shop the market this summer. This is a rent-to-own scenario, and the Cs output reflects that. His pending FA is the only reason the Cs could get him this cheap.

I don't see Houston doing it though -- giving up Howard and Ariza to get Morris and Lee.  Phx would need to kick in something more for Houston.

Clearly stated it's Brewer, not Ariza (i just used the trade checker to showcase it considering their very similar salaries, but Brewer's not eligible for a couple of weeks). Houston would not be "giving up" Brewer, they'd be shedding him. And Lee is pointless -- Houston nets Morris, Dallas' 1st and a 2nd.

[slamtheking]

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets.

Sully and a pick in the late teens or 20s is high risk? It's a low risk move, especially when you factor keeping Sully is high risk. If anything, the Cs are the team that needs to convince the others to do it.

I like Sully but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat provided we had Dwight's buy-in.

There's not such thing as Dwight's buy-in -- you couldn't get him this cheap if there were. He's going to shop the market this summer. This is a rent-to-own scenario, and the Cs output reflects that. His pending FA is the only reason the Cs could get him this cheap.

I don't see Houston doing it though -- giving up Howard and Ariza to get Morris and Lee.  Phx would need to kick in something more for Houston.

Clearly stated it's Brewer, not Ariza (i just used the trade checker to showcase it considering their very similar salaries, but Brewer's not eligible for a couple of weeks). Houston would not be "giving up" Brewer, they'd be shedding him. And Lee is pointless -- Houston nets Morris, Dallas' 1st and a 2nd.

A. Sully is not high risk.  kid is having his best year to date.  if you're worried about health, that's moderate at best and even then it's stretching it.

b. by Buy-in, I'm talking about him coming in and making an effort to play hard.  Not looking for a commitment past this year.  we seem to be talking 2 different things

c. reword any way you like, that's still a pittance for Howard.  houston would need more back

[LooseCannon]

I figure we will try to use Lee's contract in a more significant trade but if the deadline passes with no move we will probably buy him out. It doesn't seem like he's a good fit in Brad's system and can probably join a team that can use him more.

No point in buying out Lee if he's not traded.  The Celtics aren't going to fill that roster spot with someone who has more value for a playoff run.

[Irish Stew]

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets.

Sully and a pick in the late teens or 20s is high risk? It's a low risk move, especially when you factor keeping Sully is high risk. If anything, the Cs are the team that needs to convince the others to do it. 

It's high risk because once you use it on Howard, it's not there if a nice deal becomes available. I look at our own pick and the Dallas pick as important tradeable commodities that if used individually or in combination may get us a really good player. I'm not interested in actually exercising these picks.

[ssspence]

This is the only trade idea that is possibly a game changer. It's a high risk and high reward move that we can make because we have the assets.

Sully and a pick in the late teens or 20s is high risk? It's a low risk move, especially when you factor keeping Sully is high risk. If anything, the Cs are the team that needs to convince the others to do it. 

It's high risk because once you use it on Howard, it's not there if a nice deal becomes available. I look at our own pick and the Dallas pick as important tradeable commodities that if used individually or in combination may get us a really good player. I'm not interested in actually exercising these picks.

At some point we have to use 'em. Cs still have their own pick and BKLN pick to trade this year if a bigger deal comes along.

If the Cs wait too long to trade some of their picks, they're gonna get lowballed for 'em -- in a big way. Opposing GMs know the Cs can't actually take and keep 4-5 guys in the top 31 picks in the 2016 draft.

[kozlodoev]

A. Sully is not high risk.  kid is having his best year to date.  if you're worried about health, that's moderate at best and even then it's stretching it.

b. by Buy-in, I'm talking about him coming in and making an effort to play hard.  Not looking for a commitment past this year.  we seem to be talking 2 different things

Sullinger's best year is still probably worse than what you'd get from Howard if he were to come here, not buy in, and just go through the motions. So there's that.

[ssspence]

A. Sully is not high risk.  kid is having his best year to date.  if you're worried about health, that's moderate at best and even then it's stretching it.

You like Sullinger. Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that's he's a poorly conditioned player with a history of back and foot problems who's a RFA repped by David Falk, who is "excited" for him to be a FA this summer.

~ He could get (more) injured any day and be worthless on the trade market
~ He could play well and demand a huge contract, which the Cs shouldn't give him, but might to risk losing him for nothing
~ He could sign that contract, get hurt again, and be dead weight (no pun intended)
~ Mostly likely, he could refuse to sign a fair market deal with the Cs and play for the QO next year with the intention of being a UFA the following summer (ala Greg Monroe), which will again render him worthless on the trade market next year

He's not exactly a guy you can bank on, so you can bet you'll hear his name in trade rumors between now and Feb.

b. by Buy-in, I'm talking about him coming in and making an effort to play hard.  Not looking for a commitment past this year.  we seem to be talking 2 different things

Oh, you want Ainge to call Dwight up and ask him: "Promise you'll play hard if we trade for you?" 

c. reword any way you like, that's still a pittance for Howard.  houston would need more back

It's not rewording -- it's understanding the proposed deal. You talked about Lee -- he's just cap filler.
Meanwhile, Netting a legit NBA forward locked into a below market deal (Morris, who they want), and 2 picks while shedding Brewer is probably the best they'll do for a Howard rental. If you don't believe me, try finding a better deal in the trade checker and lemme know.

And please don't put out this "Deng, Andersen, Winslow and Whiteside" nonsense I keep seeing, just because Chris Sheridan tossed that out there a couple of weeks ago.