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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2015, 03:53:34 PM »

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Lee seems like he is only going to be a trade for a max contract type player as the salary filler.  I mean who else could possible acquire or want him at that money.  I mean just looking around the league at contracts that are basically expiring that you could trade for Lee and there is almost no one that makes sense.  And no one is going to give up any real value. 

I mean the only player I could think of was Joe Johnson.  Lee and Jerekbo for Johnson.  Nets save some more money and get 2 players instead of 1 (which helps their depth problem some).  Boston gets better roster functionality as Johnson at least theoretically better fills a position of need and frankly he is still better than Lee and Jerekbo at this point (though Johnson is far from the player he once was).

So there you go

Lee and Jerekbo for Joe Johnson

I would actually probably do that trade. JJ would help us much more as a bench 2/3 than Lee or Jerebko, though we'd miss Jerebko's defensive versatility. Also, JJ would help us TREMENDOUSLY in end-game situations when we need a big shot. Further, as much as Hollins plays Lopez and Young, I doubt Lee would help them very much or get much more playing time than he got here, so it's not like it'd help them at all.
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2015, 03:54:30 PM »

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How about David Lee for Ty Lawson? Exchange disappointments? Celtics have had interest before, Lawson is a playmaker, and Lawson is young enough to be a reclamation project under Brad. Not to mention Lee could net something bigger for Houston.

Plus Lawson would fit snugly into a team full of undersized guards. Am I right?

This isn't a bad trade for either team, but let's not fool ourselves: if the best Houston can get for Ty Lawson is David Lee, they're not going to then "net something bigger" for Lee.

Sorry I just realized I phrased that wrong. I meant trading Lee's contract would mean Houston wouldn't have to trade nearly as much salary for a bigger fish than Lawson would. Just by a salary standpoint, not from a talent standpoint.

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2015, 04:02:11 PM »

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Lee seems like he is only going to be a trade for a max contract type player as the salary filler.  I mean who else could possible acquire or want him at that money.  I mean just looking around the league at contracts that are basically expiring that you could trade for Lee and there is almost no one that makes sense.  And no one is going to give up any real value. 

I mean the only player I could think of was Joe Johnson.  Lee and Jerekbo for Johnson.  Nets save some more money and get 2 players instead of 1 (which helps their depth problem some).  Boston gets better roster functionality as Johnson at least theoretically better fills a position of need and frankly he is still better than Lee and Jerekbo at this point (though Johnson is far from the player he once was).

So there you go

Lee and Jerekbo for Joe Johnson

I would actually probably do that trade. JJ would help us much more as a bench 2/3 than Lee or Jerebko, though we'd miss Jerebko's defensive versatility. Also, JJ would help us TREMENDOUSLY in end-game situations when we need a big shot. Further, as much as Hollins plays Lopez and Young, I doubt Lee would help them very much or get much more playing time than he got here, so it's not like it'd help them at all.

Not worth it. Save these two valuable contracts to fit better deals between now and Feb.
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2015, 04:42:34 PM »

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Lee seems like he is only going to be a trade for a max contract type player as the salary filler.  I mean who else could possible acquire or want him at that money.  I mean just looking around the league at contracts that are basically expiring that you could trade for Lee and there is almost no one that makes sense.  And no one is going to give up any real value. 

I mean the only player I could think of was Joe Johnson.  Lee and Jerekbo for Johnson.  Nets save some more money and get 2 players instead of 1 (which helps their depth problem some).  Boston gets better roster functionality as Johnson at least theoretically better fills a position of need and frankly he is still better than Lee and Jerekbo at this point (though Johnson is far from the player he once was).

So there you go

Lee and Jerekbo for Joe Johnson

I would actually probably do that trade. JJ would help us much more as a bench 2/3 than Lee or Jerebko, though we'd miss Jerebko's defensive versatility. Also, JJ would help us TREMENDOUSLY in end-game situations when we need a big shot. Further, as much as Hollins plays Lopez and Young, I doubt Lee would help them very much or get much more playing time than he got here, so it's not like it'd help them at all.

Not worth it. Save these two valuable contracts to fit better deals between now and Feb.

Let's say nothing happens between now and the deadline. Would you do this trade if nothing else materializes, figuring that we're still in the playoff race?
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2015, 04:44:57 PM »

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Lee seems like he is only going to be a trade for a max contract type player as the salary filler.  I mean who else could possible acquire or want him at that money.  I mean just looking around the league at contracts that are basically expiring that you could trade for Lee and there is almost no one that makes sense.  And no one is going to give up any real value. 

I mean the only player I could think of was Joe Johnson.  Lee and Jerekbo for Johnson.  Nets save some more money and get 2 players instead of 1 (which helps their depth problem some).  Boston gets better roster functionality as Johnson at least theoretically better fills a position of need and frankly he is still better than Lee and Jerekbo at this point (though Johnson is far from the player he once was).

So there you go

Lee and Jerekbo for Joe Johnson

I would actually probably do that trade. JJ would help us much more as a bench 2/3 than Lee or Jerebko, though we'd miss Jerebko's defensive versatility. Also, JJ would help us TREMENDOUSLY in end-game situations when we need a big shot. Further, as much as Hollins plays Lopez and Young, I doubt Lee would help them very much or get much more playing time than he got here, so it's not like it'd help them at all.

Not worth it. Save these two valuable contracts to fit better deals between now and Feb.

Let's say nothing happens between now and the deadline. Would you do this trade if nothing else materializes, figuring that we're still in the playoff race?
I hate to say it but Id have to look deeper into how this would affect Brooklyn. Could Jerebko's versatility and Lee's ability to lessen the load on Brook a little bit outweigh the loss of Johnson?

Id have to think about it more.

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2015, 04:47:39 PM »

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The Celtics have had David Lee available in trade talks since the minute he made it onto the roster. :D
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2015, 04:53:47 PM »

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If his contract wasn't needed (potentially) as a filler, I'd want him waived.
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2015, 05:06:01 PM »

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Celtics have made David Lee available in trade talks

...and the sounds of crickets could be heard everywhere.

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2015, 09:18:47 PM »

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Lee seems like he is only going to be a trade for a max contract type player as the salary filler.  I mean who else could possible acquire or want him at that money.  I mean just looking around the league at contracts that are basically expiring that you could trade for Lee and there is almost no one that makes sense.  And no one is going to give up any real value. 

I mean the only player I could think of was Joe Johnson.  Lee and Jerekbo for Johnson.  Nets save some more money and get 2 players instead of 1 (which helps their depth problem some).  Boston gets better roster functionality as Johnson at least theoretically better fills a position of need and frankly he is still better than Lee and Jerekbo at this point (though Johnson is far from the player he once was).

So there you go

Lee and Jerekbo for Joe Johnson

I would actually probably do that trade. JJ would help us much more as a bench 2/3 than Lee or Jerebko, though we'd miss Jerebko's defensive versatility. Also, JJ would help us TREMENDOUSLY in end-game situations when we need a big shot. Further, as much as Hollins plays Lopez and Young, I doubt Lee would help them very much or get much more playing time than he got here, so it's not like it'd help them at all.

Not worth it. Save these two valuable contracts to fit better deals between now and Feb.

Let's say nothing happens between now and the deadline. Would you do this trade if nothing else materializes, figuring that we're still in the playoff race?
I hate to say it but Id have to look deeper into how this would affect Brooklyn. Could Jerebko's versatility and Lee's ability to lessen the load on Brook a little bit outweigh the loss of Johnson?

Id have to think about it more.
Who cares about Brooklyn?  I mean even if they are a couple of wins better by making the trade it won't do much for their draft position, but a couple of wins for Boston could make a huge difference in avoiding the Cavs or even making the playoffs. 
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2015, 09:27:23 PM »

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Trading for him was probably a bad idea in hindsight. He makes $15 mill a year. Not sure who would give anything up. You take a pick if you can get it at this point.

Friendly reminder that the only thing we gave up was Gerald Wallace, who was and is worth even less.

I liked having G-Wallace on the bench. Gave Boston another SF with legitimate size and could play small ball PF. Boston are lacking in this type of option off their bench when Turner or Crowder are out for a game. Forced to play small guards at SF (Hunter, J.Young) or a PF (Jerebko) there.

I preferred having that option on the bench than what D-Lee provides the team. Boston has more than enough big man contributions from Sully, Olynyk, Jerebko, Amir, Zeller and Mickey. I'd rather have G-Wallace covering that hole thah have D-Lee here.


Nothing but respect for ya Who but I have to disagree.  Another SF would be very useful, but a guy who was one of the worst players in the league last year and literally can't get a single minute anywhere in the league this year isn't it. 

I put more stock in Pho's criticism about more minutes for our younger bigs but that seems to be happening organically anyway.

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2015, 09:53:04 PM »

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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2015, 11:19:41 PM »

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Trading for him was probably a bad idea in hindsight. He makes $15 mill a year. Not sure who would give anything up. You take a pick if you can get it at this point.

Friendly reminder that the only thing we gave up was Gerald Wallace, who was and is worth even less.

I still dislike the move, if only because it meant we were gonna give him an extended run to rehab his value instead of giving consistent time to other, younger guys. 

I understand it was mostly a move to get a larger contract to use in a potential big time trade, but that always seemed far-fetched to me.  Danny's rebuild philosophy has always been more about setting up for a big trade than developing younger guys.

Lee was a reasonable long shot gamble at finding that go-to scorer that Ainge is looking for, with a small chance that he could end up as a veteran bench big to be resigned to an appropriate contract if Sullinger and/or Olynyk was traded for a legitimate star.  Wallace was definitely gone after his contract expired, but Lee had a non-zero chance of sticking around.
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Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2015, 11:47:37 PM »

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Celtics have made David Lee available in trade talks

...and the sounds of crickets could be heard everywhere.

That's kind of interesting. Let me think about it.

Yup, I guess I'd trade him for crickets.

Mike

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2015, 11:51:42 PM »

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Maybe Lee wants out and his Agent is floating that to let everyone know his client is available?  He's not going to bring anything back at this point given is contract. 

To me he looks like an aging player.  Still has some skills and can look pretty good on his better nights but too often is a non factor.

Re: Celtics have made david lee available in trade talks
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2015, 11:54:37 PM »

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Maybe Lee wants out and his Agent is floating that to let everyone know his client is available?  He's not going to bring anything back at this point given is contract. 

To me he looks like an aging player.  Still has some skills and can look pretty good on his better nights but too often is a non factor.

His contract is a non issue. It's a matter of matching salaries in case by case basis. He's in his last year so he has no impact in future cap space, so it's a non-issue.