Brad Stevens vs Rivers' Clippers who wins an NBA championship first

[KeepRondo]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce.

I'll agree to disagree. Pierce isn't exactly our Grandpa's Pierce any more and Blake and Paul haven't done anything.

What have any of the current Celtics done? 

Meanwhile we can point to what Blake, Paul and even Pierce did last year in the playoffs.



I wish I could pick the Celtics at this point, but that is not where they are yet in the rebuild.  And there is nothing wrong with that.  The process is moving forward.

Well the Celts pushed the champions to double OT the other night.  And facts are that the Celts have generally beaten expectations and the Clips haven't.

And the Clippers knocked the defending champion out of the playoffs last year.

The Spurs would sweep them right now. Clips got a ways to go to figure things out.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised come playoff time the Clippers knocked them out.

Well not with how their team is constructed right now. They would need to make a trade or two.

[wdleehi]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

More like Doc got gifted a title by DA and Bynum going down to injury. When he had his chance with a healthy Laker team he lost the chip after going back to Boston ahead 3-2.

He was so lucky in that 2008 final he just kept backing into forced adjustments he would never had made if folks didn't get injured or in foul trouble.

So now KG, Pierce and Allen won the title because of luck?   


Goodnight folks. 


I can't keep arguing off that.

[KeepRondo]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

More like Doc got gifted a title by DA and Bynum going down to injury. When he had his chance with a healthy Laker team he lost the chip after going back to Boston ahead 3-2.

He was so lucky in that 2008 final he just kept backing into forced adjustments he would never had made if folks didn't get injured or in foul trouble.

So now KG, Pierce and Allen won the title because of luck?   


Goodnight folks. 


I can't keep arguing off that.

Wasn't Thibs system behind that stifling defense?

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

So today which team would the Warriors be more likely to lose to?  The Clips or the Celtics?

In a playoff scenario, the Clippers.   There is no one on the Celtics team that can do what Blake or Paul have done.  No one as clutch as Pierce.

I'll agree to disagree. Pierce isn't exactly our Grandpa's Pierce any more and Blake and Paul haven't done anything.

What have any of the current Celtics done? 

Meanwhile we can point to what Blake, Paul and even Pierce did last year in the playoffs.



I wish I could pick the Celtics at this point, but that is not where they are yet in the rebuild.  And there is nothing wrong with that.  The process is moving forward.

Well the Celts pushed the champions to double OT the other night.  And facts are that the Celts have generally beaten expectations and the Clips haven't.

And the Clippers knocked the defending champion out of the playoffs last year.

The Spurs would sweep them right now. Clips got a ways to go to figure things out.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised come playoff time the Clippers knocked them out.

Years ago I would have been a little surprised if this team didn't make the finals by now. Now I'd be surprised if they do.

[Ogaju]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

More like Doc got gifted a title by DA and Bynum going down to injury. When he had his chance with a healthy Laker team he lost the chip after going back to Boston ahead 3-2.

He was so lucky in that 2008 final he just kept backing into forced adjustments he would never had made if folks didn't get injured or in foul trouble.

So now KG, Pierce and Allen won the title because of luck?   


Goodnight folks. 


I can't keep arguing off that.

Nice strawman argument

DOC won by luck

luck because he had a GM that got him three first ballot hall of famers to play for him

and luck because foul trouble on the Celtics FORCED him to play reserves that produced.

The Celtics were good enough to win, but they needed some luck to overcome their inept coach. If there wasn't foul trouble on the team we would have never seen what Powe, Posey, or House could do.

Don't twist my argument.

[Ogaju]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

More like Doc got gifted a title by DA and Bynum going down to injury. When he had his chance with a healthy Laker team he lost the chip after going back to Boston ahead 3-2.

He was so lucky in that 2008 final he just kept backing into forced adjustments he would never had made if folks didn't get injured or in foul trouble.

So now KG, Pierce and Allen won the title because of luck?   


Goodnight folks. 


I can't keep arguing off that.

Wasn't Thibs system behind that stifling defense?

Exactly, even the strongest Rivers supporters agree he is not an X and O guy. They try to use other non objective arguments to prop him up.

[Eja117]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

Yeah Doc managed to win one whole ring with 3 Hall of Famers and an all star. Really pulled off a miracle. I put it in the same category as Peyton Manning-wins-ring-vs-Rex-Grossman.

Name the coach that won without talent?

There are definitely coaches that have won with less talent. Larry Brown. Rudy Tomjanovic. Some of Pop's titles were similarly talented.

And coaches have definitely taken less talented teams to the finals.

[spikelovetheCelts]

RJ Hunter for 3 and The Celtics beat the Clippers for the 2017 NBA championship. Brad Stevens truly out coached Doc Rivers in the Finals to lead them to victory. Chris Paul was hound into a NBA record number of Turnovers.

[Evantime34]

I'm going to take the Celtics.

I don't see a a way in which the Clippers can win in the next few years, with Golden State, Cleveland and San Antonio looming.

Since I am assuming the Clippers won't be able to win a title with their current group, I would choose the team with the better future assets to win first.

[moiso]

Clippers have two stars in place.  They have a championship level head coach.  What they lack is championship level gm. 

Doc the gm is not good. 


But the Celtics still need NBA luck to get the stars needed to win the title.  Ainge has made the moves to put the Celtics in great position to get stars, but it still takes luck. 

Lotto luck.  Star available to trade for luck. 



So until the Celtics have the stars in place, the Clippers have the better shot.

I'll put Danny's luck and CBS' skill over Doc's skill as a GM and coach any day.  I don't even feel like it's fair. I just saw a slightly undermanned Celtics take a slightly more undermanned Warriors to double OT with some help from some one sided reffing helping the champs. The Celts are for real and the Clips aren't. They should go make some Kia and insurance commercials. It's what they're good at.

To me, the Celtics are the new version of the Wallace lead Bobcats.  They have talented players, but no stars.  Their coach have them playing playoff level intensity all season.  Come playoff time, they don't have that higher playoff kick other teams (mostly top teams) have to raise their level.

The difference between that Bobcat team and the Celtics is the management in place and the unused chips for improvement.

Oh and that Clippers team did beat the Spurs last year in the playoffs so I guess they did more than just make commercials.

Maybe they should get some sort of banner for that

What banner has this current Celtics team won? 


But yes, I have more faith in a team that can knock off the Spurs then the current Celtics.

When Doc arrived in LA, everyone looked at the Clippers as legitimate title contenders.  If the best thing you can say about them three years later is that they're a little better than a team without a single all-star, that does not reflect well on Doc.

Mike

Doc the GM is not good.  Ainge gave him pieces that could fit and Doc made it work.

Doc has not given himself the pieces that fit.

I admit there is the distinct possibility that if in a different universe DA had gone to LA and been the GM then maybe Doc the coach would have achieved more with this team.
But that team has pieces that tons of teams would love to have and I have no doubt whatsoever that CBS would do a better job with the Clips than Doc and if Doc were in Boston the Celtics would be a horrible horrible team right now

And we have actual proof Doc coached a team to a title. 

That is an actual fact vs. the coach switch dream.

More like Doc got gifted a title by DA and Bynum going down to injury. When he had his chance with a healthy Laker team he lost the chip after going back to Boston ahead 3-2.

He was so lucky in that 2008 final he just kept backing into forced adjustments he would never had made if folks didn't get injured or in foul trouble.

So now KG, Pierce and Allen won the title because of luck?   


Goodnight folks. 


I can't keep arguing off that.

Wasn't Thibs system behind that stifling defense?

Exactly, even the strongest Rivers supporters agree he is not an X and O guy. They try to use other non objective arguments to prop him up.

He was known as one of the best at drawing up plays after timeouts when he was in Boston.