Noel to the bench

[tazzmaniac]

I don't get the debate here.  Philly has a roster balance issue (just one of many issues).  this is a reasonable way to work around it.  We need a center.  Noel seems to want to play center.  I would be happy to give him a try for the right deal.

If Noel and Okafor can't play together, that's a problem when you spent lottery picks on both of them.  And if they can't play together, neither will likely be able to play with their other lottery pick, Embiid, if he ever gets healthy.  That's a problem.

And by moving Noel to the bench, not only is Philly telling other GMs that Okafor and Noel can't coexist, they're telling Noel that he's second banana to Okafor.  So they simultaneously hurt Noel's trade value and gave him extra incentive to seek greener pastures.

And the is being done in a year when Philly still isn't trying to win games.

This whole thing is turning into an interesting test of psychology.  Some people absolutely fell in love with what Hinkie is doing as the ultimate example of analytic-type thinking vs. traditional sports philosophies.  And since they think it's a really smart thing, they also assume Hinkie is a really smart guy.  So then everything Hinkie does gets excused and defended and rationalized because a smart guy wouldn't do anything stupid, would he?

Mike

What did Hinkie do that was stupid?  Once the Lakers took Russell, Okafor was the obvious choice.  Of those left, he had the highest star potential and he was the most NBA ready.  He's already shown his NBA caliber offensive talent and yes his defense, as expected, is weak at this point.  Now if Hinkie had passed over Okafor because of a potential fit issue with Noel, that would have been a really stupid decision.  If the Okafor/Noel combo doesn't work out, they are both very desirable trade assets. 

Regarding Embiid, he's much better offensively than Noel and much better defensively than Okafor.  I don't think you can project Okafor/Noel not working onto either Embiid combo.  I think the Embiid/Noel combo would probably be the best.  Of course that assumes, Embiid comes back strong from his injury. 

[ssspence]

Noel is an unbeleivable talent, with a still rough but nonetheless improving offensive game. There is no way Philly is giving him up.

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

Yeah I watched the game.  Noel saw roughly the same minutes "off the bench", lead the team in both scoring and rebounding, shot 7-9, and seemed to play much better now that he wasn't playing as many minutes next to okafor. 

Bottom line:  Noel remains an elite prospect and as expected he and okafor aren't a good fit together.   We have known since okafor was drafted that one of them would eventually be traded.  I'm sure they will get great return on either.  They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

Who mentioned the Celtics? Not that I agree with what you said, but even you can't argue with the fact that if you put the C's and Sixers roster together and ranked them in terms of trade value, you'd find 15 Celtics players in the first 17.

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

Who mentioned the Celtics? Not that I agree with what you said, but even you can't argue with the fact that if you put the C's and Sixers roster together and ranked them in terms of trade value, you'd find 15 Celtics players in the first 17.

how many of the 15 top Celtic players would need to traded for okafor ? 

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

Who mentioned the Celtics? Not that I agree with what you said, but even you can't argue with the fact that if you put the C's and Sixers roster together and ranked them in terms of trade value, you'd find 15 Celtics players in the first 17.

how many of the 15 top Celtic players would need to traded for okafor ?

Smart and a non Nets pick would do it. You act as though Okafor is a surefire star. He has potential, but he could easily have a nice career like Big Al, where he is great offensively/bad defensively and doesn't make an all-star team.

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

Who mentioned the Celtics? Not that I agree with what you said, but even you can't argue with the fact that if you put the C's and Sixers roster together and ranked them in terms of trade value, you'd find 15 Celtics players in the first 17.

how many of the 15 top Celtic players would need to traded for okafor ?

Smart and a non Nets pick would do it.

Okafor would be a Celtic if that was true.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

They both have more trade value than any player on the Celtics.

Who mentioned the Celtics? Not that I agree with what you said, but even you can't argue with the fact that if you put the C's and Sixers roster together and ranked them in terms of trade value, you'd find 15 Celtics players in the first 17.

how many of the 15 top Celtic players would need to traded for okafor ?

Smart and a non Nets pick would do it.

Okafor would be a Celtic if that was true.

You mean Okafor and Noel don't you? Keep on with your half truths.

League executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-draft-20150623-story.html

The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.

Jake Fischer of SI.com reported Wednesday, citing a league source, that the Celtics also included 24-year-old center Kelly Olynyk and another unspecified player along with Smart and the No. 16 pick in the 2015 NBA Draft in their attempt to pry center Nerlens Noel and the third overall pick from Philly.

[MBunge]

I don't get the debate here.  Philly has a roster balance issue (just one of many issues).  this is a reasonable way to work around it.  We need a center.  Noel seems to want to play center.  I would be happy to give him a try for the right deal.

If Noel and Okafor can't play together, that's a problem when you spent lottery picks on both of them.  And if they can't play together, neither will likely be able to play with their other lottery pick, Embiid, if he ever gets healthy.  That's a problem.

And by moving Noel to the bench, not only is Philly telling other GMs that Okafor and Noel can't coexist, they're telling Noel that he's second banana to Okafor.  So they simultaneously hurt Noel's trade value and gave him extra incentive to seek greener pastures.

And the is being done in a year when Philly still isn't trying to win games.

This whole thing is turning into an interesting test of psychology.  Some people absolutely fell in love with what Hinkie is doing as the ultimate example of analytic-type thinking vs. traditional sports philosophies.  And since they think it's a really smart thing, they also assume Hinkie is a really smart guy.  So then everything Hinkie does gets excused and defended and rationalized because a smart guy wouldn't do anything stupid, would he?

Mike

What did Hinkie do that was stupid?

If you count the trade that netted them Noel as the start, Hinkie is now well into year three of his plan and Philly is the worst team in the league by far.

1.  He's had three lottery picks and picked three guys who all play the same position.

2.  He's aggressively stripped the team of any talent outside those three picks and the rights to Saric.

3.  He's done nothing with huge amounts of cap space.

4.  He's creating a terrible reputation around the league.

Other than that, he's a genius!

Frankly, the huge number of other teams in the East that were also horrible have served as a sort of camouflage for Hinkie.  It seems as though he's no longer going to be able to hide.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Yeah Ed I remember that bogus rumor too.  I also remember hearing Boston was going to make a "godfather offer" to get okafor and then this rumor from some writer in Los Angeles claimed we offered smart, 16 and 28 for Noel and 3.   Bill Simmons came out and said he thought that rumor was a joke.  For philly's reaction to that nonsense rumor check here:  http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/23/8832413/sixers-offered-marcus-smart-for-nerlens-noel-and-he-third-overall-pick

We also know that we were offering 6 draft picks (4 first rounders including at least one Brooklyn pick) to move up to take Winslow at 9. 

You genuinely think Marcus smart and a late 1st is equal value for okafor?   Wild. 

[Eddie20]

Yeah Ed I remember that bogus rumor too.  I also remember hearing Boston was going to make a "godfather offer" to get okafor and then this rumor from some writer in Los Angeles claimed we offered smart, 16 and 28 for Noel and 3.   Bill Simmons came out and said he thought that rumor was a joke.  For philly's reaction to that nonsense rumor check here:  http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/23/8832413/sixers-offered-marcus-smart-for-nerlens-noel-and-he-third-overall-pick

We also know that we were offering 6 draft picks (4 first rounders including at least one Brooklyn pick) to move up to take Winslow at 9. 

You genuinely think Marcus smart and a late 1st is equal value for okafor?   Wild.

Dude, who cares what Philly fans (you included) think? Are these the same fools that chant "trust the process" and thought Embiid wasn't really injured, but that Hinkie was playing jedi mind tricks? So let's consider the source.

What we do know is that Ainge offered, what he felt was fair value for the #3 and Noel and that was Smart, Olynyk, #16, and #28. Maybe Ainge was on to something with that though. Wouldn't the Sixers lineup look a lot better/more versatile with a starting lineup of?

Olynyk
Covington, Grant, or any one of their other bum swingmen
Okafor
Smart
Hunter

with Rozier off the bench getting a lot of minutes


Much better spacing. Much better fit. Allows players to excel in their natural positions. Forget that! Let's just send 3rd year player Noel to the bench and start Okafor.

[LarBrd33]

What matters is that by your own admission Boston attempted to trade for okafor and Noel and didn't have the assets to acquire either or they'd be wearin Celtic green.   Is what it is.  They are elite level prospects with considerable trade value and significant interest throughout the league... Boston included. 

Here's hoping philly decides to move one and we pounce with a competitive offer.

[Eddie20]

What matters is that by your own admission Boston attempted to trade for okafor and Noel and didn't have the assets to acquire either or they'd be wearin Celtic green.   Is what it is.  They are elite level prospects with considerable trade value and significant interest throughout the league... Boston included. 

No, the C's offered a fair package. Hinkie declined. Ainge didn't counter. This doesn't mean, like you suggest, that we didn't have the assets. Rather Ainge didn't want to give up more than that.

[LarBrd33]

What matters is that by your own admission Boston attempted to trade for okafor and Noel and didn't have the assets to acquire either or they'd be wearin Celtic green.   Is what it is.  They are elite level prospects with considerable trade value and significant interest throughout the league... Boston included. 

No, the C's offered a fair package. Hinkie declined. Ainge didn't counter. This doesn't mean, like you suggest, that we didn't have the assets. Rather Ainge didn't want to give up more than that.

If we offered a fair package for Noel, Noel would be a Celtic.  Or maybe what you're saying in your speculation about what may or may not have happened with this bogus rumor is that just because one team deems an offer "fair", it doesn't mean it's enough to get the targeted player.  Perhaps 6 draft picks for Winslow was a "fair" offer, but it wasn't enough to get Winslow... So it wasn't a good enough offer.    You are telling me that Marcus smart and a late 1st is enough to get okafor.  And I'm telling you that you're wrong.  If that were all it took to get okafor, Boston would do that immediately.

[Eddie20]

What matters is that by your own admission Boston attempted to trade for okafor and Noel and didn't have the assets to acquire either or they'd be wearin Celtic green.   Is what it is.  They are elite level prospects with considerable trade value and significant interest throughout the league... Boston included. 

No, the C's offered a fair package. Hinkie declined. Ainge didn't counter. This doesn't mean, like you suggest, that we didn't have the assets. Rather Ainge didn't want to give up more than that.

If we offered a fair package for Noel, Noel would be a Celtic.  Or maybe what you're saying in your speculation about what may or may not have happened with this bogus rumor is that just because one team deems an offer "fair", it doesn't mean it's enough to get the targeted player.  Perhaps 6 draft picks for Winslow was a "fair" offer, but it wasn't enough to get Winslow... So it wasn't a good enough offer.    You are telling me that Marcus smart and a late 1st is enough to get okafor.  And I'm telling you that you're wrong.

A fair offer is just that. However, it's obvious neither side agreed about what's "fair". Perhaps Noel is overrated by Hinkie and thinks he's better than what he really is. As for the Hornets pick, that's really silly to say. It was obvious then, and even more obvious now, that Jordan made a mistake.

Hey, don't worry LB your Sixers still have Saric coming over (maybe) and he's awesome!

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151120_After_humbling_loss__questions_arise_about_Sixers__direction.html

Or that Saric either doesn't come over from Turkey for next season (it wouldn't be a good monetary move for him), or his game doesn't really translate to the NBA style. I got a call last week from an NBA executive who had just talked to a scout who had seen Saric play many times recently. The report was not good, as the scout questioned his quickness, shooting ability and ability to keep up with the speed of the NBA.