Noel to the bench

[tarheelsxxiii]

This man needs rescuing. Bring him home!

[Vox_Populi]

Is there a way we can do a 4 or 5 team trade that nets us Bismack, Anthony Bennett, Stauskas and McLemore right now? All those guys are looking elite right now. I think those 4 with Noel would be a dynasty. #playerevaluation #onpoint

That's funny and TP, but mclemore is still getting better.. like Smart

I liked the way McLemore looked last season myself, however it seems like he has not really added anything to his game this season and has looked a bit worse. He is playing about the same as Belinelli this year which is probably less than you would expect in year 3.

Whoops, may have waited too long to buy low on Ben McLemore.  He's back in the starting lineup tonight and looking like his normal sharp-shooting young self.  (17 points on 7-12 shooting and 3-4 from three)... Still like the kid.

We could probably still have for a bag of balls. Do you still want to buy low on Bennett, Stauskas and Bismack?

I'd rather wait until Embiid is healthy and go after him.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players? I think the answer is obvious. The way you think minutes are split is very simplistic. Wouldn't the smarter approach, assuming of course they think as highly of Noel (Keon Clark 2.0) as you do, to start both and during the middle of the 1Q/3Q you take one out, but leave the other out? Then, at the start of the 2Q/4Q you bring one in for the other? This maximizes their minutes and allows for more development. However, since the Noel benching doesn't fit your narrative of him being a franchise player you resort to this excuse. Why didn't you ever mention this sort of possibility in all your prior cheer cheer the Sixers posts?

[celticsclay]

This man needs rescuing. Bring him home!

I think Larbrd is fine, he is just trying to be provocative

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.   

[LarBrd33]

This man needs rescuing. Bring him home!

I think Larbrd is fine, he is just trying to be provocative

I think you guys should just give up trying to understand what's up with the 76ers.   If it makes you feel better to pretend like they are hopeless, so be it.   If you think they couldn't fetch a hefty sum for either Noel or Okafor, I don't know what to tell ya...

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think they intend to play one of them under 25 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it. 

You're deliberately being provactive and trolling, because you have a perception of me as someone who is deliberately provocative and trolls.   You literally can't post a single thing on this forum without quoting me.  Enough... let it go.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps? Plenty of young "twin tower" combinations did just that regardless of the fit being ideal (Sampson & Akeem, Chandler & Curry, etc.). You seem to think everyone not wearing a green jersey is an elite prospect. A golden era of basketball is fast approaching....just not in Boston.

[LarBrd33]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point... staggering their minutes.  The first half is over:

Okafor:  15 minutes, 9 points, 2 rebounds.
Noel:  15 minutes 8 points, 6 rebounds.

You're trying to spin it as them putting Noel in the doghouse.  Either that's you deliberately being provocative or you just don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Both of those guys average about 33 minutes.  If you exclusively played them both at the exact same time, that leaves 15 minutes a night where there isn't a single NBA-caliber player on the court for Philly... and 0 minutes for Noel to get any development at his natural position.  Think about it. 

Good news:  Playing Noel out of position at PF next to Okafor doesn't seem to be working.   Here's hoping they reluctantly trade one of them and here's hoping Boston is ready to pounce.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point... staggering their minutes.  The first half is over:

Okafor:  15 minutes, 9 points, 2 rebounds.
Noel:  15 minutes 8 points, 6 rebounds.

You're trying to spin it as them putting Noel in the doghouse.  Either that's you deliberately being provocative or you just don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Awesome, but I was watching. Did you see what Big Al did to Noel? Did you see that top of the key jumper (about 16 feet) that Noel missed so badly that Hornets announcers mockingly said "just a bit outside"? Did you see that 3 of his baskets (didn't see the 4th) came off of an alley from Pressey, a wide-open transition dunk, and one of his awkward running left handed hooks? You also forgot to mention that Noel is a minus 15 in those 15 minutes.

[Eddie20]

Looks like they are going to try staggering Noel and Okafor's minutes for now:

As mentioned about an hour ago, Noel was been a complete disaster at power forward because he's useless as a scorer from beyond three feet. Now, coach Brett Brown can stagger his minutes with Jahlil Okafor. This is a good thing for Noel.

Smart move, because when you only have two nba-caliber players, you might as well stagger their minutes so at least one of them is on the court for all 48 minutes.

And this tidbit:

Coach Brett Brown said he's considering moving Nerlens Noel to the five and Jahlil Okafor to the four.

I'd say it's a good thing for anyone hoping that Philly eventually trades one of those guys.  It's clear that playing Noel out of position for the season hasn't worked.  They might try moving Okafor out of position... for now they'll stagger their minutes as expected and long-term, maybe a team like Boston can offer a bunch of pieces for someone like Noel... maybe the pipe dream of offering Smart and a future 1st for Noel is actually in play.  That'd be amazing.

Don't you like Stauskas and just the other day say he was playing well?

I don't understand your logic about Noel and Okafor? Are they trying to win games or develop their players?

They are trying to develop their players... and the fact they have been playing Noel out of position out of PF all season hasn't worked... so at least give him some chance to keep developing at his natural C position.   Inevitably, they'll need to trade one of those guys.  That's been clear since they drafted Okafor.

You edited the rest of my comments which addressed exactly. That said, you think it's smart to limit Okafor and Noel's minutes to 24 minutes a piece because they don't fit when they don't care to win?

Eddie... this illustrates the problem with your warped understanding of what's going on on that team... you think one of them is going to play 24 minutes tonight.    You don't know what you're talking about.  I'm not arguing with a wall.   Noel is an elite prospect in this league.  It is what it is.  Come to terms with it.

So then if you're suggesting that they will be playing together at times why not just throw them out together and have them take their lumps?

Turn on league pass... they have shared the court for the majority of this game.  When one sits, the other is in the game.   Hence the point...staggering their minutes.

Where you watching the same game I was?

"When you have this new group and you’re trying to let those two guys co-exist, there’s a lot of moving parts that we can learn from," Brown said. "It’s a challenge, but that’s my job." Brown would like to take advantage of Okafor's shooting touch from the elbow, and it's obvious that Noel is much better when he is closer to the basket. The 76ers staggered their minutes against Charlotte and they played just 11 minutes together in the loss.

[Vermont Green]

I don't get the debate here.  Philly has a roster balance issue (just one of many issues).  this is a reasonable way to work around it.  We need a center.  Noel seems to want to play center.  I would be happy to give him a try for the right deal.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't get the debate here.  Philly has a roster balance issue (just one of many issues).  this is a reasonable way to work around it.  We need a center.  Noel seems to want to play center.  I would be happy to give him a try for the right deal.

Hopefully when his contract time comes ......he is ready to jump ship .

[MBunge]

I don't get the debate here.  Philly has a roster balance issue (just one of many issues).  this is a reasonable way to work around it.  We need a center.  Noel seems to want to play center.  I would be happy to give him a try for the right deal.

If Noel and Okafor can't play together, that's a problem when you spent lottery picks on both of them.  And if they can't play together, neither will likely be able to play with their other lottery pick, Embiid, if he ever gets healthy.  That's a problem.

And by moving Noel to the bench, not only is Philly telling other GMs that Okafor and Noel can't coexist, they're telling Noel that he's second banana to Okafor.  So they simultaneously hurt Noel's trade value and gave him extra incentive to seek greener pastures.

And the is being done in a year when Philly still isn't trying to win games.

This whole thing is turning into an interesting test of psychology.  Some people absolutely fell in love with what Hinkie is doing as the ultimate example of analytic-type thinking vs. traditional sports philosophies.  And since they think it's a really smart thing, they also assume Hinkie is a really smart guy.  So then everything Hinkie does gets excused and defended and rationalized because a smart guy wouldn't do anything stupid, would he?

Mike