Build a Dynasty through the next 3 drafts

[Future Celtics Owner]

Edit: The purpose of this article is to convey the high to historic number of top picks the Celtic could get if we were to essentially tank. References to teams like OKC/Seattle and Cavs have been made in this thread by others and if you compare yourself you may see that we could have a string of drafts with a historic number of lottery picks to trade or develop(take your pick).
Many have sensitive views on tanking or developing and this is ONLY a thread to show possibilities. Like many businesses you have worst case, probable case, and best case scenarios. This thread seems to touch on all of these with views from many people.


We have a golden opportunity to use a 3 year rebuild through the draft to EXPONENTIALLY increase our player quality and the chance of landing multiple star players for CBS to coach.

When you look at:
1. the quality picks we have over the next 3/4 drafts(possibly a great pick in 2019 from the J Green trade)
2. The competitiveness for a championship the next few seasons and the stranglehold the Cavs have on the East.
3. We have no star player
4. CBS would be a great coach for a team loaded with talent/ multiple stars
5. The Lakers are just 1 championship away from tying our record number of championships.

We should really consider trading our players like IT ET AB Sully KO Amir Zeller for picks and prospects; and then develop our young players, take on players to help teams clear cap space and take a first rounder from them, and be in contention for the #1 pick for 3 years(but try as hard as possible to win with the young core of guys).

We increase our chances of getting multiple top picks, and the overall pick, and therefore star players; draft after draft for 3 or 4 seasons.

Because no one knows exactly what and who will be drafted in the top part of the draft, we could always be lucky to get someone that jumps out of nowhere and ends up being a game changer. Like the next dominant big man.There are some big guys that people are aware of but because they are young need more time to develop physically and their game.

For now we know of:
2019:Marvin Bagley 3, Muhamad Bamba(he's on the list bc of his 7'8'' wingspan and unique skills and abilities for a player his size)...It's too early even for me to tell about this draft
2018: Deandre Ayton, Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley3 (may reclassify)
2017: Dennis Smith Jr, Bam Bam, Thon Maker are who I like but then Giles, tatum and Smith are ranked higher
2016:Ben Simmons, Ingram and all the others you know BUT SOME PLAYERS HAVE CHANCES AT JUMPING INTO THE TOP 3

[Lucky17]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

[Ed Hollison]

How about just playing to win and cashing in on 3 consecutive years of Nets lottery picks?

Posts like these make too many assumptions, but the most egregious is that Brad Stevens will stay with the Celtics, rather than going back to college for essentially any job he wants, if the Celtics descend back into tanking.

[GetLucky]

How about just playing to win and cashing in on 3 consecutive years of Nets lottery picks?

Posts like these make too many assumptions, but the most egregious is that Brad Stevens will stay with the Celtics, rather than going back to college for essentially any job he wants, if the Celtics descend back into tanking.

This post also makes a few assumptions, namely that the Nets will be a consistent high-lottery team. Celtics fans should know better than anyone how easy it is to make the playoffs in the East right now and how quickly a franchise's fortunes can turn around.

[Evantime34]

If the Celtics are to turn it around and become a perennial contender it will come from the next 3 drafts. I could not more strongly disagree that tanking this year is necessary for the rebuild.

The Nets are going to provide our lottery picks and influx of young talent the next couple years, the Celtics are going to provide the circumstance by which the young players can excel.

Adding top picks to a roster with veteran leadership and a winning mentality is the best way to develop high level prospects.

The idea that we can become great through the next 3 drafts is a sound one, that we need to tank to do so is not.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If the Celtics are to turn it around and become a perennial contender it will come from the next 3 drafts. I could not more strongly disagree that tanking this year is necessary for the rebuild.

The Nets are going to provide our lottery picks and influx of young talent the next couple years, the Celtics are going to provide the circumstance by which the young players can excel.

Adding top picks to a roster with veteran leadership and a winning mentality is the best way to develop high level prospects.

The idea that we can become great through the next 3 drafts is a sound one, that we need to tank to do so is not.

I said nothing about tanking. CBS will not allow players to tank...PERIOD. But if we only have young prodigies on the court, well, we won't have many wins.

My main point: WE CAN EXPONENTIALLY RAISE OUR CHANCES AND SHORTEN THE REBUILD TIME IT WILL TAKE TO BECOME THE FAVORITES AGAIN.

Also CBS wants to win a championship, not just be good. He almost won them in college and would have if he had better talent. IMO I think he will leave if he thinks we will be mediocre forever.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

[slamtheking]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

you're offering a non-solution.  the only thing that making this team suck will accomplish is making them suck.  sure, their own draft pick will be higher in the draft but if any franchise's fans should be well aware of the improbability of winning the draft (or moving up) is this team's fan base.

We already have a high volume of picks.  why would we want to add even more picks from teams that we will have made better by sending them our decent players?  makes no sense whatsoever.  just an excuse to play lottery hopeful.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If the Celtics are to turn it around and become a perennial contender it will come from the next 3 drafts. I could not more strongly disagree that tanking this year is necessary for the rebuild.

The Nets are going to provide our lottery picks and influx of young talent the next couple years, the Celtics are going to provide the circumstance by which the young players can excel.

Adding top picks to a roster with veteran leadership and a winning mentality is the best way to develop high level prospects.

The idea that we can become great through the next 3 drafts is a sound one, that we need to tank to do so is not.

We barely made the playoffs last year.....in the East. Think about that and then think about our proposed trade to CHA on draft night, there is your answer.

I was critical when Danny did not waive Bass and Jonas last year at the deadline. So actually you should know that I wanted us to miss the playoffs last year as well, and we would have been much better off for it. Tanking is a term used for teams that have players, staff, coaches, and gm's all in on losing games by playing bad basketball(even when the players can play better). I am not for that, instead I am for getting rid of the players that will not be playing with us long term and are overachieving so they can get a better contract and be picked up by another team.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

you're offering a non-solution.  the only thing that making this team suck will accomplish is making them suck.  sure, their own draft pick will be higher in the draft but if any franchise's fans should be well aware of the improbability of winning the draft (or moving up) is this team's fan base.

We already have a high volume of picks.  why would we want to add even more picks from teams that we will have made better by sending them our decent players?  makes no sense whatsoever.  just an excuse to play lottery hopeful.

I do not expect us to win the lottery I expect us to be in it. The lottery is literally a lottery and when fans get angry that we do not win it, even though the numbers are not in our favor, that just shows an unrealistic expectation. My expectation is that we will be in the lottery(top 10) and more realistically the top 6, with a chance at the top 3 or top pick.

You also have blinders on when it comes to future picks. Making teams better now and then getting their picks down the road is a valid and sound trade.

But when you talk about moving up in the draft, I gather you are referring to last year, it only makes me more confident in my idea. DA OFFERED that bounty of assets for the 9th pick, but in essence for Winslow; who we could have drafted ourselves if not for 3 wins....3 wins that I attribute to keeping Bass and Jonas on the team after the deadline. BTW THAT IS NOT ME ACTING OR BEING A LOTTERY HOPEFUL.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Just to clear the air. I am saying that the Celtics are in a position to get top picks each year, depending on Memphis pick till 2019.
Unlike the 76ers or any of the other TANKING teams, if we were to be in the running for a top pick of our own then we would have a HUGE advantage as far as rebuilding models go through tanking and the draft.
I am also recognizing CBS and how he plays to win and that I do not want our staff or players to go out and lose but try to pad their stats.

Out of the hopeless tanking teams, we would crap on them and their model for rebuilding because we already have picks with lottery potential....and adding our own pick to that mix would almost be unfair.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

you're offering a non-solution.  the only thing that making this team suck will accomplish is making them suck.  sure, their own draft pick will be higher in the draft but if any franchise's fans should be well aware of the improbability of winning the draft (or moving up) is this team's fan base.

We already have a high volume of picks.  why would we want to add even more picks from teams that we will have made better by sending them our decent players?  makes no sense whatsoever.  just an excuse to play lottery hopeful.

Yes. I can not tell you for certain what pick or player we will get and again I can not tell you what players in the draft will certainly be stars. All I can say is that if we added our hat to the mix, taking into account our assets and the assets we would get from trading our players away.......I believe we would have the best odds and quickest rebuilding time, not to mention our staff and coach and gm are far better than the other teams at the bottom.

I understand that not everyone has the draft luck of OKC drafting 3 superstars in a row
I understand that not every team gets the first overall pick 3 out of 4 drafts ala the Cavs.

[Lucky17]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

Through opportunistic trades, free agency, and reaping other teams' 1st rounders. And luck.

I'm sure you'd prefer that Ainge did it your way, but do you think that Philly is any closer to winning a championship in the next decade? Because they've done it exactly the way you describe -- and things aren't looking so good there right now.

[Evantime34]

If the Celtics are to turn it around and become a perennial contender it will come from the next 3 drafts. I could not more strongly disagree that tanking this year is necessary for the rebuild.

The Nets are going to provide our lottery picks and influx of young talent the next couple years, the Celtics are going to provide the circumstance by which the young players can excel.

Adding top picks to a roster with veteran leadership and a winning mentality is the best way to develop high level prospects.

The idea that we can become great through the next 3 drafts is a sound one, that we need to tank to do so is not.

We barely made the playoffs last year.....in the East. Think about that and then think about our proposed trade to CHA on draft night, there is your answer.

I was critical when Danny did not waive Bass and Jonas last year at the deadline. So actually you should know that I wanted us to miss the playoffs last year as well, and we would have been much better off for it. Tanking is a term used for teams that have players, staff, coaches, and gm's all in on losing games by playing bad basketball(even when the players can play better). I am not for that, instead I am for getting rid of the players that will not be playing with us long term and are overachieving so they can get a better contract and be picked up by another team.

The tanking ship has sailed.

Last year we made the playoffs based on ending the year 24-12 because we added quality players who fit the system at the deadline. This year we improved the roster from the outside by adding Lee and Johnson while some of our young players are bound to improve.

Tanking for a high pick is unlikely with those improvements and would prove even more difficult with the additions.

We already have a big advantage over the other tanking teams, and it is that our team is already competitive. With a competitive roster and a competitive coach a high draft pick is more likely to mature to the fullest of their potential.

Tanking is not only a bad idea for this year, it is already off the table.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If you like the Celtics for entertainment and would prefer having them be in the playoffs 10 years in a row, OVER, having them rebuild(being in the top of the draft and developing players, trading for picks in 2017, and prospects) and have a chance at a championship in the next decade......Then this is not for you.

Because as currently constructed, this roster and the present number of draft picks the Celtics have at their disposal offers no chance at a championship in the next decade, while tanking will?

OK, with the current roster and assets....how do we win a championship, because being mediocre and over achieving in the regular season and then losing in the post is not very efficient....especially since we do not have even one super star to build around.

Through opportunistic trades, free agency, and reaping other teams' 1st rounders. And luck.

I'm sure you'd prefer that Ainge did it your way, but do you think that Philly is any closer to winning a championship in the next decade? Because they've done it exactly the way you describe -- and things aren't looking so good there right now.

No I never described Philly, your generalizing me with Tankers without reading my side of it......but I never suggested going the route of Philly(classless player, team, staff, coach, executive, owner displays of throwing games).

And opportunistic trades? More like how we got IT than what we offered CHA for a pick we actually deserved. I bet in time (I already believe this) many will think that was Mj's top 5 choices as executive.