Brook Lopez probably kept us from Ben Simmons this year. Dude is legit.
He didn't take them to 35-40 wins though.
Nope. Health derailed the team. Pretty much no depth there at this point. Despite losing 2 of their starters to injuries and another being bought out, they've still managed to go 6-6 out of their last 12.
Luckily at this point they are in such a hole that even if they go .500 for the remainder of the season we're getting a pick in the top 6 most likely.
Right, because Jarrett Jack and RHJ were the difference between a 25 win team and a 35-40 win team.
Lack of depth was a precise reason why many of us slated BKN to be a sub-30 win team before the season even started.
I completely agreed that lack of depth was a possible issue for them. That's why I always acknowledged that they'd win less than 35 games if they didn't stay healthy. A team like that can't afford to lose their starting PG + their best 2 way player (RHJ top in defensive and offensive rating) + lose their starting SG/SF to buyout. If your team is only a handful of players deep and you lose 2-3 of those players, you're gonna have a bad time. And now just as I expected, decimated by injuries and a shattered depth chart, Brooklyn's best case scenario appears to be a mere 28 wins if they manage to keep up this .500 win pace... which luckily for us will most likely be a Top 6 pick. Wonderful time to be a Celtic fan. Here's hoping they struggle down the stretch.
Sounds like you based your prediction on the premise that the entire Brooklyn squad would be healthy for the entire season.
No, I never based any prediction on the premise that they'd be healthy. I said that if they stayed healthy they'd probably be fine. I guesstimated 35-40. This was a team that had just made the playoffs 3 years in a row and their only major loss was Deron Williams and some guys who were getting spot minutes off the bench by the time they made the playoffs. Had they stayed healthy, this still seemed like a dangerous team. Good news is, they didn't stay healthy and they never made any additions to that bench.
I didn't really see the point in getting my h :angel:opes up on a Brooklyn situation that seemed contingent on players getting injured. As inevitable as injuries and depth problems seemed, it felt like poor taste to expect injuries. But now here we are... barring some inexplicable run, we're looking at a top 6 pick. Now you're seeing fans who are disappointed that it might end up 6th instead of 1st. Not me, though. I'm beyond thrilled at this situation. A top 6 pick is far more than I could have ever hoped out of that KG/Pierce trade. It's amazing. Had you told me a couple years ago that we could trade the corpse of KG and Pierce for a top 6 pick, I would have assumed you were high. When you consider that we also got many other assets out of that deal including Isaiah Thomas... it's unbelievable.
dude you are an idiot
I 100% concur with this. Lbrrd, you were wrong, own up to it. This is humiliating that you're using health as an excuse. You can make whatever excuse you want, haha. No one is going to believe you. Everyone knows you were dead wrong.
How can it be an excuse if I literally said "if they stay healthy" in the quote people always bring up? Lol. Look at whatshisname's signature. It's literally what I said.
They were on track for 24 wins when their star player Jarrett Jack went down. Where do they get the 34 or 35 wins from?
C'mon man you just completely whiffed on this one.
You didn't realize how much losing D Will would hurt them and you argued that they'd made the playoffs the last few seasons while everyone else said the East had gotten significantly better.
They've sucked the entire year. Losing RHJ and Jarrett Jack don't count as significant injuries when they were on track for 24 wins with those guys in the line up. Those guys were mediocre at best- that's why they will still get 24 or 25 wins at most.
Where was this line up getting 34 or 35 wins from even with a fully healthy squad? They've had their two best players the entire season in Thad and Lopez and even with those two and Jack+RHJ they were on track for 24 wins.
It's okay to be wrong and you'd be getting so much more credit from everyone if you just said:
You know what, I overestimated how good they'd be and I underestimated how tough the East would be this year.
To keep denying it is a bit pathetic to be honest. I like a lot of what you have to say but on this one you were just wrong. And guess what? Who cares? By denying it and acting like the Nets losing Jarrett Jack and RHJ is like the Bulls losing Jimmy Butler just makes you more of a hate target and takes credibility away from some of the great input you have into this forum.
I think you say some version of this "you're pathetic!" comment in every thread (probably every other page of this thread) regarding my comments about Brooklyn. I have responded to it dozens of times. You know where I stand on this. I have already explained, in detail, why my Brooklyn prediction was 100% accurate and why we're incredibly lucky. Once again, here's my definitive quote on the subject:
I know for a FACT that I was 100% right about Brooklyn. Had they stayed healthy, they would have been fine.
Listen... you, Ogaju, Edward and chambers can go push your Politics elsewhere. There's no place for it in the Celtics Talk thread focused on positivity. Go peddle your backwards multiverse-denier agenda on some truthseeker forum.
I have PERSONALLY astral projected into the alt-dimension where Hollis-Jefferson and Jarret Jack stayed healthy. In that dimension, The Nets are inexplicably in the midst of a 28 game win streak and have a record of 33-14. They are the surprise of the season and are currently sitting in 2nd place in the East... well on their way to a 4th straight playoff appearance. Brook Lopez was also just rightfully named to the all-star team and Hollis-Jefferson is scheduled to start in the Rising Stars game. Thanks to the Brooklyn surge, the Boston pick looks like a lock to fall outside of the lotto. Also, in that particular dimension, for some bizarre reason they spell the popular children's book series as "BerenstEin Bears" instead of "BerenstAin Bears". It's really weird, but part of me thinks the "BerenstEin" verse might be Earth 1 while this "BerenstAin" verse might be Earth 2. Consider yourself lucky we're currently stuck in Earth 2 where the Nets have been riddled with injuries, Boston is increasingly likely to get a top 10 pick from them, and this thread has a reason to exist.
But if it makes you feel any better, here's what I'll say...
You know what, I properly estimated how good a healthy Brooklyn team would be when I said "If they stay healthy, they will be ok. I think they probably will win 35-40"... They probably would have had they stayed healthy. At this point, the injury riddled Nets would need to go 17-3 to reach 35 wins. That's not happening. Knock on wood. And even if they did reach 35 wins, it doesn't matter at this point. The east being awful last season was a key factor. Brooklyn won 38 games and made the playoffs. This year, every team in the Eastern Conference playoff race is above .500. Even if Brooklyn closes out the season going 20-0 and matches their win total from last year, it's a lotto pick.
Because it is borderline attention seeking at times mate.
I've often defended you and given you the benefit of the doubt here when no one else would- rather than pointing out the flaws in your argument I've pointed out the positive points to try and keep the discussion on this forum balanced.
You have this confusion about making ridiculous statements and people calling you out about it as if they are targeting you-but it's apparent that this is what you enjoy and thrive on- creating a fuss and drama and then ignoring/brushing off anyone who attempts to have a legitimate debate with you or question you about it.
I honestly can't remember a single example of you admitting you were wrong and this is yet another one of those situations of your LarBrd33 revisionist history. You can't expect to continually make outlandish statements and predictions, and then retract/ change your position or move the goalposts without expecting people to question your intentions and challenging you about it. You want people to take you seriously but you don't take anyone else seriously.
A perfect example is this Nets scenario.
-First you decide to argue to the death that the Nets will probably make the playoffs and get 40+ wins and people are sleeping on them.
-then they go 2 wins 13 losses in their first 15 games and you say they should still crack 35 wins and they've had some unlucky losses but people are not giving them enough respect because 'this is the same Brooklyn team that made the playoffs last year minus D Will and it's the first offseason that Lopez has had completely healthy.'
-then the rookie RHJ goes down and you start this narrative that he's 'arguably their most important two way player and crucial to their success'. This is while they're projected to win 22 games when RHJ goes down. You then start to realize that this Nets team actually does suck and say 'hey we might get REALLY LUCKY and get a lottery pick because their star RHJ is out' and while everyone else is saying it's looking like a top 5 pick, you are adamant that it's 'just a lottery pick', and never admitting that the pick looks like it could be top 5.
-They continue to stink, going 7 wins 20 losses (on track for 21 wins total) and it was at this point that you started seeing a way to crawl out of your originally ridiculous 40 win and subsequent 35 win scenario and start saying 'they'll be fine if they stay healthy and they could add pieces at the deadline-but they're already not healthy after losing RHJ, as if losing the rookie was a key to their failure.
-as they are on track to win 24 games, Jack goes down- to your relief as it's given you another potential out and you start the rhetoric that Jarrett Jack their crucial star going down means 'as you said' they aren't deep enough-and now we definitely might get a lottery pick out of it- perhaps even a top 5 pick.
-you still, to this day, believe, (well you don't actually believe it and probably stopped believing it after the Nets first 15 games), let's say, continue with the idea that the Nets would have had 35 wins had they been 'healthy.' This is while Lopez and Young have played nearly every single game. As if Jarrett Jack and RHJ were the key to getting an extra 10 wins when there was zero evidence to suggest they made any kind of impact on the win total.
-this is despite the fact that they were on track for 22 wins with a healthy RHJ going down, 24 wins with a healthy Jack going down- but you contest that they were going to pull 35 wins out of thin air with their roster of bums surrounding a soft non All Star big man with significant injury history.
Again, with Jack and RHJ they were on track for 24 wins. Where were they getting 35 wins from? 24 wins with their two best players playing almost every game. In fact replacing Jack with Larkin has actually made them better.
How were they ever getting 35 wins ? You haven't explained this. You probably won't bother trying to explain because I think sometimes you think if you repeat it enough without actually replying to people's counter arguments that perhaps it will come true?
You were completely wrong and you are in denial and it's a common pattern of just regurgitating the same excuses and revisionist history and accusing people of 'following you around' and harassing you while your torch your way through multiple threads baiting and trolling to your hearts content.
A recent example is your absolute denial that the recent trade deadline rumors involved anyone but Jahlil Okafur. The reason for this? You're so firmly entrenched in your LarBrd33/Philly rebuild vs Celticsblog that you couldn't even fathom or attempt to consider it was another player or that Ainge could have leaked this info falsely. You turned a trade rumor into an attempt to justify/bolster your position in the Celticsblog vs 76ers argument that you've been at the forefront of for 2 years and it nothing to with the trade deadline and everything to do with your celticsblog ego. You even started a thread where you claimed and insinuated that Bill Simmons is a legitimate NBA insider and he 'confirmed' it was Okafur and that Bill has 'broken trade stories before'. When asked about this you did as you often do and ignored the question and moved on to your next troll/argument.
I'm happy for you to buck the trend here, troll everyone and make far fetched statements and predictions- but if you're going to do those things and not admit when you're wrong- you're going to get called out on it.
This is coming from someone who's often defended your opinion and right to a different point of view when no one else would.
You're probably a reasonably smart guy with a good sense of humor. I honestly enjoy a lot of your posts but on this one you are in pure denial man and it just destroys your credibility when you want people to take you seriously on other stuff.
The Nets suck. The experts said they'd suck. The Vegas bookmakers said they'd suck. Pretty much anyone with any idea about the Eastern Conference and their screamingly obvious lack of depth said they would suck. You decided you'd do the LarBrd thing to do and make a bold prediction that would spice things up around good ol' Celticsblog and make you the anti-hero to so many of your haters. You were completely and utterly wrong and that's all there is to it.
You can't expect to continually dribble/gargle some of this stuff and expect people to put up with it- it ruins the blog. Sorry man I'm just keepin' it real.
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