Official 2015-16 Brooklyn Nets Season Watch Thread (21-59, 3rd slot as of 4/12)

[TheFlex]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

[Neurotic Guy]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

True this.  The key is to lose the close ones.

[Granath]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

Of course they're going to win 14 or more games this season. But from a draft pick perspective, there's going to be a big difference between the Nets having 15 wins (top 3 choice) and them having 25 (somewhere around #6). I don't think too many people are predicting they're going to set the all-time worst record this season. But still, they're 1-9 and any playoff hopes seem like a long way away. If the team ends up 2-15 or something like that, there's zero hope of the playoffs for them.

The Nets have to make a choice (or may be forced by some of their players who don't want to lose anymore) on whether to start building for the future or keeping the core that they have.  That choice becomes exceptionally easy if they're 10 or more games under .500 at the All-Star break. There's no hope of the playoffs in that scenario and you can't sell tickets to fans with no hope. Even Philly has hope in having very young players. The Nets would have nothing - just the same guys getting older and worse - to offer their fans and their corporate sponsors. Thus they may have no choice but to trade off their best players simply to acquire picks for next year to start a rebuilding process that they can then sell their season-ticket holders and sponsors. Now if they were within striking distance of a playoff spot, then the Nets could continue the charade for a  while longer.

That's why this dismal start may be so important for how the pick turns out - the Nets hand may be forced and thus the Cs get the benefit of that forced youth movement.

[TheFlex]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

Of course they're going to win 14 or more games this season. But from a draft pick perspective, there's going to be a big difference between the Nets having 15 wins (top 3 choice) and them having 25 (somewhere around #6). I don't think too many people are predicting they're going to set the all-time worst record this season. But still, they're 1-9 and any playoff hopes seem like a long way away. If the team ends up 2-15 or something like that, there's zero hope of the playoffs for them.

The Nets have to make a choice (or may be forced by some of their players who don't want to lose anymore) on whether to start building for the future or keeping the core that they have.  That choice becomes exceptionally easy if they're 10 or more games under .500 at the All-Star break. There's no hope of the playoffs in that scenario and you can't sell tickets to fans with no hope. Even Philly has hope in having very young players. The Nets would have nothing - just the same guys getting older and worse - to offer their fans and their corporate sponsors. Thus they may have no choice but to trade off their best players simply to acquire picks for next year to start a rebuilding process that they can then sell their season-ticket holders and sponsors. Now if they were within striking distance of a playoff spot, then the Nets could continue the charade for a  while longer.

That's why this dismal start may be so important for how the pick turns out - the Nets hand may be forced and thus the Cs get the benefit of that forced youth movement.

I don't disagree with anything you say. But it seems like we expect the Nets to get blown out all season. They're going to be in a lot of games, especially now that we're starting to see teams play down to them and try to pull out a win at the last second. As someone said, the key is for them to lose the close ones. They've done that so far. Let's not pretend like they're going to turn it around if they win every 8th game, or if they play Golden State close until the end.

[dreamgreen]

When Lopez goes down with another injury they are really going to look bad.

[jmen788]

I have a bad feeling the Nets will split their home and home with us next week...

[SCeltic34]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

Of course they're going to win 14 or more games this season. But from a draft pick perspective, there's going to be a big difference between the Nets having 15 wins (top 3 choice) and them having 25 (somewhere around #6). I don't think too many people are predicting they're going to set the all-time worst record this season. But still, they're 1-9 and any playoff hopes seem like a long way away. If the team ends up 2-15 or something like that, there's zero hope of the playoffs for them.

The Nets have to make a choice (or may be forced by some of their players who don't want to lose anymore) on whether to start building for the future or keeping the core that they have.  That choice becomes exceptionally easy if they're 10 or more games under .500 at the All-Star break. There's no hope of the playoffs in that scenario and you can't sell tickets to fans with no hope. Even Philly has hope in having very young players. The Nets would have nothing - just the same guys getting older and worse - to offer their fans and their corporate sponsors. Thus they may have no choice but to trade off their best players simply to acquire picks for next year to start a rebuilding process that they can then sell their season-ticket holders and sponsors. Now if they were within striking distance of a playoff spot, then the Nets could continue the charade for a  while longer.

That's why this dismal start may be so important for how the pick turns out - the Nets hand may be forced and thus the Cs get the benefit of that forced youth movement.

I don't disagree with anything you say. But it seems like we expect the Nets to get blown out all season. They're going to be in a lot of games, especially now that we're starting to see teams play down to them and try to pull out a win at the last second. As someone said, the key is for them to lose the close ones. They've done that so far. Let's not pretend like they're going to turn it around if they win every 8th game, or if they play Golden State close until the end.

I don't think everyone expects the Nets to get blown out every game.  Strange things happen all the time in the regular season.  But for the 10-0 Warriors to lose at home (where they're practically unbeatable) to one of the worst teams in the league... that would have been a bit difficult to digest.

[TheFlex]

Y'all need to calm down. The Nets, even if they're horrible, are still gonna win 14-24 more games this season. Some of you are gonna have a heart attack by the end of this year.

Of course they're going to win 14 or more games this season. But from a draft pick perspective, there's going to be a big difference between the Nets having 15 wins (top 3 choice) and them having 25 (somewhere around #6). I don't think too many people are predicting they're going to set the all-time worst record this season. But still, they're 1-9 and any playoff hopes seem like a long way away. If the team ends up 2-15 or something like that, there's zero hope of the playoffs for them.

The Nets have to make a choice (or may be forced by some of their players who don't want to lose anymore) on whether to start building for the future or keeping the core that they have.  That choice becomes exceptionally easy if they're 10 or more games under .500 at the All-Star break. There's no hope of the playoffs in that scenario and you can't sell tickets to fans with no hope. Even Philly has hope in having very young players. The Nets would have nothing - just the same guys getting older and worse - to offer their fans and their corporate sponsors. Thus they may have no choice but to trade off their best players simply to acquire picks for next year to start a rebuilding process that they can then sell their season-ticket holders and sponsors. Now if they were within striking distance of a playoff spot, then the Nets could continue the charade for a  while longer.

That's why this dismal start may be so important for how the pick turns out - the Nets hand may be forced and thus the Cs get the benefit of that forced youth movement.

I don't disagree with anything you say. But it seems like we expect the Nets to get blown out all season. They're going to be in a lot of games, especially now that we're starting to see teams play down to them and try to pull out a win at the last second. As someone said, the key is for them to lose the close ones. They've done that so far. Let's not pretend like they're going to turn it around if they win every 8th game, or if they play Golden State close until the end.

I don't think everyone expects the Nets to get blown out every game.  Strange things happen all the time in the regular season.  But for the 10-0 Warriors to lose at home (where they're practically unbeatable) to one of the worst teams in the league... that would have been a bit difficult to digest.

Sure, but the total irrationality of it would have fit the narrative that the Warriors didn't show up to play a trash team and that the Nets still have to win every once and a while as much as it would have fit the narrative that the Nets aren't as bad as everyone thought they were.

[SHAQATTACK]

Their not as bad as everybody wants them to be ...long as Lopez is play n Fully Healthy .

They are. professional...they are not giving up .

But for them to win Lopez and Young gotta play 37-44 minutes a night against most teams.

They will win bunch of games at seasons end when stars are sitting.

[fairweatherfan]

I have a bad feeling the Nets will split their home and home with us next week...

I hope not, but I won't be surprised if it happens.  It can be tough to beat any team twice in a row, especially when our shots only seem to fall every other game or so.

Fun game against GS last night.  Glad it turned out the way we wanted.  No need to read much else into it.

[Vermont Green]

If Lopez and Johnson remain relatively healthy, (say 70 games played or so), they are an OK team, certainly better than 1-9 (that is on pace for 8 wins).  I think the odds are against Lopez in particular playing 70 games but who knows.

I think we all as Celtics fans need to be careful with our expectations.  The tone of the discussion seems to be we could get a top 3 pick and we are setting ourselves up to be disappointed if it turns out to be say the 10th pick.  A pick in the range of 10 is still really good value for the trade we made.  Anything better is just gravy and biscuits.

[mloyko]

If Lopez and Johnson remain relatively healthy, (say 70 games played or so), they are an OK team, certainly better than 1-9 (that is on pace for 8 wins).  I think the odds are against Lopez in particular playing 70 games but who knows.

I think we all as Celtics fans need to be careful with our expectations.  The tone of the discussion seems to be we could get a top 3 pick and we are setting ourselves up to be disappointed if it turns out to be say the 10th pick.  A pick in the range of 10 is still really good value for the trade we made.  Anything better is just gravy and biscuits.

Of course they're better than an 8 win team, but the 10th pick?! are you kidding. I've watched every Nets game this year and they are what their record is. They've lost to some really bad teams (LAL, Kings without Gay, Collison, Bucks twice) and they've blown 17 point leads in back to back games. On top of that they make a ton of mental mistakes and struggle to score in crunch time. Just because they hung in their with a GSW team that was playing their 3rd game in 4 days without Klay Thompson, doesn't mean this team is a fringe playoff contender. Based on how the league looks they're one of the four worst teams.

[willyd24]

Everyone on this thread is acting like either we get the #1 pick or anything else is a failure. I think there are about six guys in this draft that look like great prospects: Ben Simmons, Skal Labissiere, Dragan Bender, Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray, and Jaylen Brown. That means that as long as the Nets are one of the sixth worst teams in the league we get a decent piece to build around and I think that they are definitely in the bottom six.

[chambers]

If Lopez and Johnson remain relatively healthy, (say 70 games played or so), they are an OK team, certainly better than 1-9 (that is on pace for 8 wins).  I think the odds are against Lopez in particular playing 70 games but who knows.

I think we all as Celtics fans need to be careful with our expectations.  The tone of the discussion seems to be we could get a top 3 pick and we are setting ourselves up to be disappointed if it turns out to be say the 10th pick.  A pick in the range of 10 is still really good value for the trade we made.  Anything better is just gravy and biscuits.

I think the that we were expecting them to be bad, but not this bad right out of the gate.
It's like a dream slowly shifting to reality at 10 games at a time.
They go 1-7.
Lopez foot flares up.
They keep pumping minutes through Johnson and Lopez.
They let Jarrett Jack take more shots than Thadeus Young.

It's a really promising reality for us. You're completely right that we can't get too excited but I think it's not being overly optimistic to say that most Celtics fans see us as having a cracking shot at a top 5 pick, and thus perhaps something even better.

As Willyd24 says in the post above this reply- there are some great players available all through to at least #6, and right now the Nets are looking like a bottom 5 team, one injury away from being a surefire bottom 3 team.
I think expectations currently:

2016 NBA draft slots
1) Philly
2)Brooklyn
3)LA
4) Pelicans off to a bad start but they've been decmiated by injuries and should get at least 5-8 more wins that any of those other three teams.

Even the Blazers and Nuggets- who looked like threats to any potential top 3 picks we may get, are much better than expected and like New Orleans, Denver is getting back some good players from injury soon.

The Nets peak to me, is somewhere between 22-25 wins- and that's if Lopez stays healthy and they have the hot shooting night every now and then like vs Houston and GSW.

[chambers]

Just as a side note, for the Nets to even get 24 wins this year, they need to win at least 1 out of every 3 of their remaining games for the season.