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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2015, 11:28:52 AM »

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Yeah, that's legitimate. I'm with Faf -- I don't think either of them are really worth a roster spot right now -- but bad knees and basketball are one of my personal "nope nope nope" red flags.
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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2015, 12:04:48 PM »

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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2015, 12:23:19 PM »

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I think Bennett has a better chance of becoming a rotation player in the NBA.
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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2015, 01:13:08 PM »

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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2015, 01:52:41 PM »

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Idk depends on age. If he is too old then you have to admit he won't get there. Also Dog's prime years are much less. Though some would say PJ3 and Bennett have dogged it their first couple of years as well.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2015, 03:28:21 PM »

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the perry jones love is funny.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2015, 05:51:38 PM »

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Idk depends on age. If he is too old then you have to admit he won't get there. Also Dog's prime years are much less. Though some would say PJ3 and Bennett have dogged it their first couple of years as well.

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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2015, 07:02:07 PM »

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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2015, 08:42:34 PM »

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A 6'10" fit Perry Jones with no knees is still more useful to the NBA than a 6'7" overweight Anthony Bennett with knees.

Agree

Sure, if you think that knee regeneration is easier than getting into better shape (which, spoiler alert: it isn't)

When a player is injured you can send him to surgery.  You don't know if it will fix the problem (permanently or at all) but you can be sure the surgery will happen.

When a player has issues with weight/conditioning, there is nothing certain you can do because it's generally all mental.  You can lock the guy in the gym and tell him he's not allowed to eat burgers, but it's still up to him to hit that treadmill or drive past the McDonalds. 

It's much easier to fix a bone than it is to change a person's mentality, especially if the mentality is a result of bad habits that person has picked up over years of living a certain lifestyle.   

Secondly, Bennet's only 6'7" which is extremely undersized for a Power Forward - that puts him at a disadvantage from the start, even before the conditioning comes in to play.  I can really only think of two guys in the last 10 or so, with measurements similar to Bennett, who have gone on to become been good NBA players.  Those guys are Paul Millsap and Brandon Bass.  Both of those guys have a relentless motor, a tireless work ethic, and have amazing physical conditioning.  You pretty much need all of that (AND skill) to get by as an undersized PF in the NBA, because you need to pretty much work harder than everybody else to stay competitive.

On the other hand you can look at Jeff Green as the perfect example of a guy who (despite questionable motor, questionable work ethic and limited skill set) was able to be a very productive NBA player for years based almost entirely on his physical talent.  Green can't dribble, can't pass, is a terrible rebounder and is only an "OK" shooter, and yet has been able to get substantial roles on teams pretty much as long as he's been in the league. 

Perry Jones is very similar to Green in that he's not exceptionally skilled, and is basically all "physical talent" at this point - the difference is that Jones is even more physically gifted than Green ever was.  This means that Jones has the potential to be a very productive NBA player, even if he never really develops, simply because of his ability to dominate physically.  We've already seen that in the couple of big games he had. 

In this league guys who are physically below average need to work twice as hard, while guys who are physically above average can cruise a little and still earn a paycheck.  Neither Bennett nor Jones seems like the ultimate workaholic, so to me Jones is (by far) the more likely to actually become a decent rotation player.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2015, 08:57:13 PM »

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the perry jones love is funny.

I don't think it's love for Perry Jones, so much as it's dislike for Anthony Bennett.

I think this is less an argument of who has more potential, and more an argument of which guy is more likely to not be a compete bust haha

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2015, 09:24:08 PM »

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I still think Bennett could have a future.  At the very least, he'll get another shot this year from someone who wants to take a low risk/high reward chance on him.   As for Jones, I'm not even sure he'll make the opening day roster.  Is it official?  He was a late draft selection who didn't amount to anything.  I thought we picked up his contract to get a 2nd rounder.  I thought he was getting waived.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2015, 10:34:37 PM »

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the perry jones love is funny.
Yep.  It really is.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2015, 11:25:36 PM »

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I still think Bennett could have a future.  At the very least, he'll get another shot this year from someone who wants to take a low risk/high reward chance on him.   As for Jones, I'm not even sure he'll make the opening day roster.  Is it official?  He was a late draft selection who didn't amount to anything.  I thought we picked up his contract to get a 2nd rounder.  I thought he was getting waived.

Not entirely.

Ainge has a few prospects on this roster now, with Young, Rozier, Hunter and Mickey.  I doubt he wants to move forward with all of those guys, so I'm thinking he probably wants to see what they can do in training camp, then select the 2 or 3 that he feels have the most upside (or are most likely to contribute).

By getting Perry Jones for nothing, he probably sees it as a chance to pick up another free prospect to thrown in to the mix.  I imagine he is probably intrigued by Jones' physical gifts and curious to get a closer look at him and see if he has something to work with.

If he had no interest at all in proceeding with Jones, then I would assume he'd have been waived by now.

Of course Jones is on a guaranteed contract so waiving him doesn't save the Celtics any money or cap space - it's possible they figured "we may as well get some use out of him and keep him as an extra body for training camp, then waive him after". 

I don't think it's that simple though.  I think they are legitimately intrigued by him, and I'm not surprised really.  You're talking about a guy who came in to the league, got stuck deep in a stacked rotation for two years. I can see why Ainge would be interested to see if a change of scenery can do anything for him.

Remember also that Brad Stevens loves versatile guys, and with his size/athleticism Jones has the look of a guy who could potentially play three positions.  Seems like the type of guy a Brad Stevens would like to roll the dice on.

Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2015, 12:45:03 AM »

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A 6'10" fit Perry Jones with no knees is still more useful to the NBA than a 6'7" overweight Anthony Bennett with knees.

Agree

Sure, if you think that knee regeneration is easier than getting into better shape (which, spoiler alert: it isn't)

When a player is injured you can send him to surgery.  You don't know if it will fix the problem (permanently or at all) but you can be sure the surgery will happen.

When a player has issues with weight/conditioning, there is nothing certain you can do because it's generally all mental.  You can lock the guy in the gym and tell him he's not allowed to eat burgers, but it's still up to him to hit that treadmill or drive past the McDonalds. 

It's much easier to fix a bone than it is to change a person's mentality, especially if the mentality is a result of bad habits that person has picked up over years of living a certain lifestyle.   

Yeah let's talk to Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and Sam Bowie (among others) about how much easier it is to fix a bone than bad habits. I'm sure if they had just worked harder they would have been able to overcome their obstacles.

However, there are other athletes that have made successful NBA careers with meniscus problems, so that's true. Like every other guy rostered on the C's, I want to see him do as well as he possibly can. You might have convinced me, although I'm sticking with Bennett if we're wagering simply because of the knee bias I hold.
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Re: Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2015, 02:41:50 AM »

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i disliked since he was in college and only played a few games before injury
massive overreach with the no 1 spot

i didnt really like jones either
for a guy who has all the tools but didnt make it work in college
he kind of reminds me of beasley

also what position does jones play
to me hes a tweener which confuses his role
is he PF = we already have a bunch of PF that are ahead in the depth chart
is he a SF = i think crowder + turner + jerebko are ahead, also i think he plays more of a PF than SF