That Rondo Thread

[D.o.s.]

"Can't tell if you are being sarcasic of[sic] not."

[Hemingway]

You are, however, the one who didn't/doesn't understand why we traded Perk. So there's that.

When did I ever give any reasoning for the perk-green trade?

[D.o.s.]

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Have a nice weekend babe.

[Hemingway]

I'll give the reason now so you can hate me for what I really think, not what you imagine I think.

I think there were a lot of things going into the Perk trade. Ultimately I think Ainge saw a deal where he thought he was getting the best player in the trade and had to decide if it was worth changing the starting lineup that had won in 08. But I think he had a hunch that Perk wouldn't hold up for very long. I guess losing MD is part of it too, but I don't think a main part. I think Ainge was willing to take the risk that JO and Shaq qould be ok for the playoffs and the loss of Perk would not be felt as much. Remember we also go Krstic in the deal so were getting back another big guy just in case. he other factor was, I believe we got a pick in the deal. It was probably a hard call for Ainge but Green looked like he had more upside than Perk.

[D.o.s.]

I don't think you understand what the word hate means.

[Hemingway]

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Have a nice weekend babe.

oh, thats what p^ssed you off? Honestly I wan't trying to bate you. I thought you were being sarcastic to the guy you quoted. Do you really think MD going down was the reason we traded Perk? How many minutes did MD project to play in the playoffs? And I really liked him, but he was what out 10th man? You don't trade your starting center because a 3 near the end of the bench goes down.

yeah, you have a nice weekend too.

[Hemingway]

I don't think you understand what the word hate means.

ok, fine. How about negativity or pessimism? Are those words better to describe your outlook as expressed on this forum? didn't you call me a moron 5 minutes ago?

[mmmmm]

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Ainge was right on that Perk trade in that Perk value dropped quickly after. If Green didn't have that heart condition it might have all been different. The other thing I don't know is how much trading Perk really hurt the team moral. I know it was reported a lot, but I don't remember any players saying that much, so it may have been blown out of proportion. In any event, I don't think MD, Perk or Green mattered enough change things. It was sad that we couldn't win 2 or 3, but after sucking for soooo long, the happiness I got in 08 overshadowed any pain for not winning it in the years after.

No sarcasm involved -- we traded Perkins because we had no wing depth after Quis's neck injury, and it completely destroyed the moral of the team: that and the fact that neither of the O'Neal Brothers were able to stay healthy totally affected the team on the court. If you think otherwise I would question how closely you were following the team at the time.

Yes, though it wasn't just the wing depth that was at issue.   We also had no healthy center.  Perkins was injured (again) at the time of the trade.  So were both O'Neals as well as Erden.

We didn't just make the trade to get Green as a replacement for MD to back-up Pierce.  We also acquired Krstic to shore up the center position.

I think it was the combination of desperately needing help at both the 3 and the 5 that caused Danny to pull the trigger.

And given that both Perkins and Nate were injured and barely played through the rest of the season (and would have been lost as FAs after it anyway) I can't see how it could be seen as a bad trade.  Green and Krstic gave the Celtics far more value than Perkins and Nate gave OKC.

What made it not a fantastic outcome were other things that happened after the trade.   Shaq never getting fully healthy obviously hurt tremendously.  Rondo's injury (the DWade take-down).   Those were probably the two biggest factors in not winning in the playoffs.   And then, after that, the lockout caused Krstic to go back to Russia.   And then Green's heart condition lost him for the next season.

If those things don't happen, it would have been a fantastic trade outcome.   But they did.  And so it wasn't.  But that doesn't mean it was a bad trade at the time.

[mmmmm]

give it a rest dos.

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Ainge was right on that Perk trade in that Perk value dropped quickly after. If Green didn't have that heart condition it might have all been different. The other thing I don't know is how much trading Perk really hurt the team moral. I know it was reported a lot, but I don't remember any players saying that much, so it may have been blown out of proportion. In any event, I don't think MD, Perk or Green mattered enough change things. It was sad that we couldn't win 2 or 3, but after sucking for soooo long, the happiness I got in 08 overshadowed any pain for not winning it in the years after.

No sarcasm involved -- we traded Perkins because we had no wing depth after Quis's neck injury, and it completely destroyed the moral of the team: that and the fact that neither of the O'Neal Brothers were able to stay healthy totally affected the team on the court. If you think otherwise I would question how closely you were following the team at the time.

I'm sure you would question that dos, because everything you post is hate filled. But if I remember correctly we traded Perk around the deadline and Shaq went out(for the last time) near the end of the season. Point being when the trade was made, the idea was it was ok because we have Shaq and JO. It was really unlucky how it all turned out.

You are remembering incorrectly.  Both Shaq and JO were both injured at the time of the trade.  As were Semih and Perkins.  The point of the trade wasn't just to get Jeff Green.  It was also to get Krstic.   We desperately needed a healthy body at the 5.

If Perkins himself wasn't injured (again) at the time, maybe he doesn't get traded and Danny plays out the season with him even though he would likely have walked in free agency at the end.

But he was injured.

[ahonui06]

You are, however, the one who didn't/doesn't understand why we traded Perk. So there's that.

When did I ever give any reasoning for the perk-green trade?

The day the Perkins-Green trade happened I was just upset. I knew Perkins was an integral part to the Celtics core and helped them win the 2008 title. Green just wasn't a good fit with Boston compared to Perkins.

[Hemingway]

give it a rest dos.

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Ainge was right on that Perk trade in that Perk value dropped quickly after. If Green didn't have that heart condition it might have all been different. The other thing I don't know is how much trading Perk really hurt the team moral. I know it was reported a lot, but I don't remember any players saying that much, so it may have been blown out of proportion. In any event, I don't think MD, Perk or Green mattered enough change things. It was sad that we couldn't win 2 or 3, but after sucking for soooo long, the happiness I got in 08 overshadowed any pain for not winning it in the years after.

No sarcasm involved -- we traded Perkins because we had no wing depth after Quis's neck injury, and it completely destroyed the moral of the team: that and the fact that neither of the O'Neal Brothers were able to stay healthy totally affected the team on the court. If you think otherwise I would question how closely you were following the team at the time.

I'm sure you would question that dos, because everything you post is hate filled. But if I remember correctly we traded Perk around the deadline and Shaq went out(for the last time) near the end of the season. Point being when the trade was made, the idea was it was ok because we have Shaq and JO. It was really unlucky how it all turned out.

You are remembering incorrectly.  Both Shaq and JO were both injured at the time of the trade.  As were Semih and Perkins.  The point of the trade wasn't just to get Jeff Green.  It was also to get Krstic.   We desperately needed a healthy body at the 5.

If Perkins himself wasn't injured (again) at the time, maybe he doesn't get traded and Danny plays out the season with him even though he would likely have walked in free agency at the end.

But he was injured.

Yeah both O'Neils were in and out all year, my point was that we had them there was hope we'd be ok in the playoffs. I think we brought Shaq back for one last run near the very end of the season to hopefully have enough for the playoffs but he did not. iirc JO actually had a good game or 2 in the playoffs for us but it was really too little too late from him. I guess I could state my point the other way around, had we not had Shaq and JO on the roster Ainge probably would not have traded Perk. I think he saw a deal that could help for the future and not hurt to much in the short term. In the end it didn't really work out that well for either team short term or long term. 

If we really want to monday morning quarterback it, Ainge should have signed Shaq and told him to stay home until a month before the playoffs. He had so little left in the tank, but remember how good he was in the very early 07-08 season? For a very brief time Rondo, Ray, Paul, Kg, Shaq was a seemingly unstoppable lineup. When shaq wasn't tired yet and could actually run. I remember seeing shaq running out as the trailer on fast breaks and thinking this was a pretty unstoppable thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFZFOaavb4

[Hemingway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-6gVWBQv0

[Hemingway]

I know it's often said, if only the big 3 had gotten together a few years earlier. But man, add Shaq to that as well.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Rondo was part of something special at one time for the Celtics.

This part of his legacy I'll always appreciate and never forget.



It's almost as there was TWO different Rondos.

I admired the one when Perk was here the most

The Rondo that was traded .....I didn't know him

Had we not traded Perk, we may have squeaked out a second chip (should've been 3, if not for that game 7).

If Quis doesn't go down because of that freak Arenas collision, we don't trade Perk.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic of not.

Ainge was right on that Perk trade in that Perk value dropped quickly after. If Green didn't have that heart condition it might have all been different. The other thing I don't know is how much trading Perk really hurt the team moral. I know it was reported a lot, but I don't remember any players saying that much, so it may have been blown out of proportion. In any event, I don't think MD, Perk or Green mattered enough change things. It was sad that we couldn't win 2 or 3, but after sucking for soooo long, the happiness I got in 08 overshadowed any pain for not winning it in the years after.

No sarcasm involved -- we traded Perkins because we had no wing depth after Quis's neck injury, and it completely destroyed the moral of the team: that and the fact that neither of the O'Neal Brothers were able to stay healthy totally affected the team on the court. If you think otherwise I would question how closely you were following the team at the time.

Which is what made it the wrong move. Legitimately contend for a title one last time, then let him walk. 

[D.o.s.]

I don't think you understand what the word hate means.

ok, fine. How about negativity or pessimism? Are those words better to describe your outlook as expressed on this forum? didn't you call me a moron 5 minutes ago?

I called you a moron because you don't understand what I said. I'd say that's fair grounds for being called a moron -- disagreeing with what is, at this point, fact. You may not agree. Apologies if I offended. Probably too rude -- will try to be nicer in the future, and I mean that honestly.